All NO will achieve is causing the EU to come up with better terms until such a time as they vote YES.
A No vote won't cause the EU to do anything. It'll be up to the Greek government to deliver on that. No PM is going to rush to their Parliament to fund the Greek government's promises.
A No vote won't cause the EU to do anything. It'll be up to the Greek government to deliver on that. No PM is going to rush to their Parliament to fund the Greek government's promises.
Naïveté in extremis (excuse polyglot overkill).
A €100,000,000,000 was suggested today. The EU will try. Whether or not they succeed remains to be seen.
Apparently the 'no' vote means the rest of the EU is going to rush to seal a deal with the incompetent, backsliding Syriza government.
Oh I don't think so.
If the ECB and IMF don't bail out the Greek banks then the EU will be forced to pay for Greece's essential public services to stop the country descending into anarchy.
Sources in Syriza are saying that top government officials, including state minister and chief negotiator Nikos Pappas, the Greek prime minister’s closest political ally, have “packed their bags and are ready to return to Brussels” to relaunch negotiations, Helena Smith reports.
As if anyone in the EU is going to want to negotiate with any of that bunch of toerags.
If the ECB and IMF don't bail out the Greek banks then the EU will be forced to pay for Greece's essential public services to stop the country descending into anarchy.
The UK will have to contribute to that package.
Pouring more good money after bad never solved anything.
Fair enough, treat Greece as the failed state it is by co-operating with an international effort to provide medical supplies, etc. but that should be it. Greece should leave the Eurozone and go it alone and the rest of the Eurozone should work to strengthen its shared economy.
Pouring more good money after bad never solved anything.
Fair enough, treat Greece as the failed state it is by co-operating with an international effort to provide medical supplies, etc. but that should be it. Greece should leave the Eurozone and go it alone and the rest of the Eurozone should work to strengthen its shared economy.
That's the only way forward. Restructure the debt. Gain control over your own currency. Rebuild your economy. There's no other option. Keep chucking money at it in the hope it goes away has never worked. The Greeks need to take the short term hit otherwise they will never get the economy anywhere near working
Schuable, Juncker and Schultz were all very vocal in their threatening rhetoric to the Greeks about voting no. Also eurozone finance ministers and primeministers piled on the pressure too.
If it's a no vote, some perhaps will say the Greeks are stupid and very careless voting in such a risky manner after the avalanche of warnings from europe. Time will tell.
But if it is a no, the Greeks will have said to europe, butt out and stop threatening us, and trying to influence our vote, we'll vote how we choose even if you're not happy with it or matches your warnings.. And for that, if it is a NO vote, the Greeks deserve applauding this evening.
Schuable, Juncker and Schultz were all very vocal in their threatening rhetoric to the Greeks about voting no. Also eurozone finance ministers and primeministers piled on the pressure too.
If it's a no vote, some perhaps will say the Greeks are stupid and very careless voting in such a risky manner after the avalanche of warnings from europe. Time will tell.
But if it is a no, the Greeks will have said to europe, butt out and stop threatening us, and trying to influence our vote, we'll vote how we choose even if you're not happy with it or matches your warnings.. And for that, if it is a NO vote, the Greeks deserve applauding this evening.
Schuable, Juncker and Schultz were all very vocal in their threatening rhetoric to the Greeks about voting no. Also eurozone finance ministers and primeministers piled on the pressure too.
If it's a no vote, some perhaps will say the Greeks are stupid and very careless voting in such a risky manner after the avalanche of warnings from europe. Time will tell.
But if it is a no, the Greeks will have said to europe, butt out and stop threatening us, and trying to influence our vote, we'll vote how we choose even if you're not happy with it or matches your warnings.. And for that, if it is a NO vote, the Greeks deserve applauding this evening.
We did get concessions the second time with Lisbon 2. And one major thing for us was, Lisbon would not automatically continue to give every country a commissioner at the table each year. The UK, Fra, Spa, Ger, Ita etc etc would but little countries like Ireland would have a rotation commissioner. That idea was scrapped when we voted a second time and we always have our own EU commissioner now like every other EU country. That was just one of a few concessions, and it was a very big deal to us. We would not have a permanent voice at the top table as we always had.
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A No vote won't cause the EU to do anything. It'll be up to the Greek government to deliver on that. No PM is going to rush to their Parliament to fund the Greek government's promises.
Yes Putin will be awaiting the result with interest.
I imagine if he does splash some cash on the Greeks he will pay for it by hiking up gas prices to the EU!
Sky News saying five out of six Greek news agencies are calling it for the NO side.
Not official and small margin for the NO side.
This week is going to be a rough ride.
Officially I think it's 10:00pm London time. But there should be an indication before that.
Naïveté in extremis (excuse polyglot overkill).
A €100,000,000,000 was suggested today. The EU will try. Whether or not they succeed remains to be seen.
Does the UK pay one penny towards the eventual bail out?
Oh I don't think so.
If the ECB and IMF don't bail out the Greek banks then the EU will be forced to pay for Greece's essential public services to stop the country descending into anarchy.
The UK will have to contribute to that package.
As if anyone in the EU is going to want to negotiate with any of that bunch of toerags.
Pouring more good money after bad never solved anything.
Fair enough, treat Greece as the failed state it is by co-operating with an international effort to provide medical supplies, etc. but that should be it. Greece should leave the Eurozone and go it alone and the rest of the Eurozone should work to strengthen its shared economy.
Apparently we have liabilities, all be they smallish.
Of course they will. They know the alternative, and they'll never countenance that.
Well they wanted a Yes vote and Tsipiras kicked out or resigning.
It's anyone's guess what will happen now. The ball is back in the EU's court.
That's the only way forward. Restructure the debt. Gain control over your own currency. Rebuild your economy. There's no other option. Keep chucking money at it in the hope it goes away has never worked. The Greeks need to take the short term hit otherwise they will never get the economy anywhere near working
If it's a no vote, some perhaps will say the Greeks are stupid and very careless voting in such a risky manner after the avalanche of warnings from europe. Time will tell.
But if it is a no, the Greeks will have said to europe, butt out and stop threatening us, and trying to influence our vote, we'll vote how we choose even if you're not happy with it or matches your warnings.. And for that, if it is a NO vote, the Greeks deserve applauding this evening.
Well - at least we can see how the Greeks held on to their culture unlike the other conquered nations of the Ottoman Empire. They are bloody stubborn.
All grist to the No campaign here then.
A shame the Irish did not.
The second time the vote was rigged
They'll seek advice from Scotland!
Rest assured, the eurozone, the IMF and ECB will negotiate.
They were badly playing brinkmanship.
We did get concessions the second time with Lisbon 2. And one major thing for us was, Lisbon would not automatically continue to give every country a commissioner at the table each year. The UK, Fra, Spa, Ger, Ita etc etc would but little countries like Ireland would have a rotation commissioner. That idea was scrapped when we voted a second time and we always have our own EU commissioner now like every other EU country. That was just one of a few concessions, and it was a very big deal to us. We would not have a permanent voice at the top table as we always had.