Some people are too sick to work - both now & in the future, I don't understand why the Tories can't accept this? Take me: I'll be 43 next month, I've had health problems for most of my life, I'm not suddenly going to wake up tomorrow morning as right as rain! Prior to July 14 (yes 1 year ago) I was in the ESA support group, then after attending an ATOS assessment I was found fit for work, I appealed to the lower tier tribunal & they took the DWP's side - so now I'm in the process with the help of a solicitor funded by legal aid of appealing to the upper tier tribunal, I've had indication from the upper tier tribunal that they are on my side - in the form of a letter in which they were very critical of the lower tier tribunal, since January 15 I have not received any money other than housing benefit which is of course paid by the council.
...it will be interesting though to see what gets said on Wednesday.
Osborne has said he has identified the £12bn of cuts that need to be made, and that the majority will be announced on Wednesday. It includes the benefits cap being reduced to £20k from £26k (a reduction of over £100 per week) and social housing subsidies removed, as well as the topic discussion.
Strap yourselves in. This is going to be f**king carnage.
I should imagine everyone in the ESA Support Group will be re-evaluated ASAP, regardless of whether they have just been found unfit for work recently. Lots of people left alone without being harangued for up to a year will be too much for IDS to bear and now he has free reign to do what he wants, expect these poor folk to be straight into failing a new "improved" medical.
Because ill and disabled people generally have to deal with higher living costs, e.g. specialist medical/mobility aids, extra medicine costs, higher transport costs, higher insurance premium costs and so on.
It would be a heartless and cruel travesty if the support rate for infirm and disabled people in the ESA WRAG group were to be slashed in this week's budget.
I thoguht people in your position were able to claim JSA until the appeal is finalised? I know you wont be able to meet the criteria but I thought it was overlooked when someone is appealing?
I thoguht people in your position were able to claim JSA until the appeal is finalised? I know you wont be able to meet the criteria but I thought it was overlooked when someone is appealing?
When you claim JSA you have to actively seek work and agree to be ready to immediately start full time work at any time, which is kind of difficult when you're so ill you need to claim ESA in the first place.
When you claim JSA you have to actively seek work and agree to be ready to immediately start full time work at any time, which is kind of difficult when you're so ill you need to claim ESA in the first place.
Yes I know that but I thought there was a general understanding that if someone is found fit for work but then is appealing that and is not really able to be fit for work, they can claim JSA in name while the appeal is ongoing? Im sure I read about this some years back when ESA was first being introduced.
Yes I know that but I thought there was a general understanding that if someone is found fit for work but then is appealing that and is not really able to be fit for work, they can claim JSA in name while the appeal is ongoing? Im sure I read about this some years back when ESA was first being introduced.
Not as far as I'm aware - hence I'm getting nothing.
I thoguht people in your position were able to claim JSA until the appeal is finalised? I know you wont be able to meet the criteria but I thought it was overlooked when someone is appealing?
If I signed on then I'd be subject to harassment from job centre staff & that is something which I could not bear.
It is what people voted for in may. There was too many programmes on television portraying as being on benefit was an easy life. There has been a subsequent shift in opinion amongst the general workforce who have sanctioned this by voting conservative in may. Will the current rate that the jobless get be too much and what is an acceptable rate to those in work. Do those in work want the unemployed to get nothing.
Yes I know that but I thought there was a general understanding that if someone is found fit for work but then is appealing that and is not really able to be fit for work, they can claim JSA in name while the appeal is ongoing? Im sure I read about this some years back when ESA was first being introduced.
I don't know if it was ever the case but it's certainly not now. If you sign up for JSA you have to abide by the terms.
Also when you claim JSA you are declaring yourself fit for work, which would endanger your ESA appeal and possibly disqualify yourself for it.
Right so just that I understand this, the benefit cap at 20k what does it include?
Like with myself I ESA and PIP, my mum gets DLA plus state pension and me dad gets state pension. So if all this totals up to more than 20k a year, i'm not sure if it does but if it does then what out of these benefits gets cut? I don't really understand these budgets much.
Right so just that I understand this, the benefit cap at 20k what does it include?
Like with myself I ESA and PIP, my mum gets DLA plus state pension and me dad gets state pension. So if all this totals up to more than 20k a year, i'm not sure if it does but if it does then what out of these benefits gets cut? I don't really understand these budgets much.
Osborne has said he has identified the £12bn of cuts that need to be made, and that the majority will be announced on Wednesday. It includes the benefits cap being reduced to £20k from £26k (a reduction of over £100 per week) and social housing subsidies removed, as well as the topic discussion.
Strap yourselves in. This is going to be f**king carnage.
Yes but with announcing things like this, it makes it sound like everyone on benefits is picking up 26k and year and now will have to scrape by on just 20k. No wonder people in work hate all people on benefits as it sound like people on benefits are getting a lot more than they do.
However: Standard JSA is £74 a week - 74 X 52 = £3848 a year! so almost 4k not the 20k figure that makes it sound like everyone is living the dream life.
And if ESA is £30 more then: 104 X 52 = £5408 - So just who is getting this 20K and where do I apply?
And of course that is when they are deciding to pay you and not stopping your money for no reason at all.
Why not scrap all benefits. That will save a lot of money. Maybe it will mean a lot more on the streets but who cares. The electorate voted for cuts in welfare in may. So the conservatives should scrap the benefits system entirely. And when they have done that maybe they should cut MPs pay by half and scrap their expenses as well.
Why not scrap all benefits. That will save a lot of money. Maybe it will mean a lot more on the streets but who cares. The electorate voted for cuts in welfare in may. So the conservatives should scrap the benefits system entirely. And when they have done that maybe they should cut MPs pay by half and scrap their expenses as well.
And what would these people on the streets do to eat? Crime would sky-rocket and millions would march on London.
Why not scrap all benefits. That will save a lot of money. Maybe it will mean a lot more on the streets but who cares. The electorate voted for cuts in welfare in may. So the conservatives should scrap the benefits system entirely. And when they have done that maybe they should cut MPs pay by half and scrap their expenses as well.
Blatant falsehood alert! On 7 May, the Conservatives only got the support of 36.9% of those who voted (which = only 25% of the wider electorate), i. e. getting on for two-thirds of voters on the day voted against the Conservative party. That is not popular majority support or endorsement and the Conservatives' parliamentary majority stems from a rotten, corrupt and antiquated electoral system and certainly not from mass public appeal.
Yes but with announcing things like this, it makes it sound like everyone on benefits is picking up 26k and year and now will have to scrape by on just 20k. No wonder people in work hate all people on benefits as it sound like people on benefits are getting a lot more than they do.
However: Standard JSA is £74 a week - 74 X 52 = £3848 a year! so almost 4k not the 20k figure that makes it sound like everyone is living the dream life.
And if ESA is £30 more then: 104 X 52 = £5408 - So just who is getting this 20K and where do I apply?
And of course that is when they are deciding to pay you and not stopping your money for no reason at all.
It's to do with how many kids people have - more kids = more money. When I was in the ESA support group my ESA & HB combined came to about £12k pa (I'm a single childless person). I do agree that people should not pop out kid after kid in order to get benefits, but these restrictions should not be applied retrospectively as we'll just end up with many kids living in abject poverty - this will be bad for society in the long run as these kids will be damaged; I'm all for deterring people from using kids as cash cows in the future though.
Blatant falsehood alert! On 7 May, the Conservatives only got the support of 36.9% of those who voted (which = only 25% of the wider electorate), i. e. getting on for two-thirds of voters on the day voted against the Conservative party. That is not popular majority support or endorsement and the Conservatives' parliamentary majority stems from a rotten, corrupt and antiquated electoral system and certainly not from mass public appeal.
So the conservatives have the mandate on a mere technicality of the voting system being stuck in the past to inflict hardship thanks to glory hunters who appeared on benefit street to give those in work the impression that it is a life of riley being in benefit when it is not.
The MPs should have their pay CUT by HALF and their expenses SCRAPPED. But they are ringfenced when it comes to austerity
Right so just that I understand this, the benefit cap at 20k what does it include?
Like with myself I ESA and PIP, my mum gets DLA plus state pension and me dad gets state pension. So if all this totals up to more than 20k a year, i'm not sure if it does but if it does then what out of these benefits gets cut? I don't really understand these budgets much.
This explains which benefits count towards the cap and the exemptions. You are exempt from the cap, based on what you have said above;
With Ian Duncan Himmler laughing hysterically like a deranged super villain - things are obviously going to become very grim indeed for a lot of people.
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What are you living on if you dont mind me asking
Osborne has said he has identified the £12bn of cuts that need to be made, and that the majority will be announced on Wednesday. It includes the benefits cap being reduced to £20k from £26k (a reduction of over £100 per week) and social housing subsidies removed, as well as the topic discussion.
Strap yourselves in. This is going to be f**king carnage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33399650
My mum gives me £50pw.
Because ill and disabled people generally have to deal with higher living costs, e.g. specialist medical/mobility aids, extra medicine costs, higher transport costs, higher insurance premium costs and so on.
It would be a heartless and cruel travesty if the support rate for infirm and disabled people in the ESA WRAG group were to be slashed in this week's budget.
I thoguht people in your position were able to claim JSA until the appeal is finalised? I know you wont be able to meet the criteria but I thought it was overlooked when someone is appealing?
When you claim JSA you have to actively seek work and agree to be ready to immediately start full time work at any time, which is kind of difficult when you're so ill you need to claim ESA in the first place.
Yes I know that but I thought there was a general understanding that if someone is found fit for work but then is appealing that and is not really able to be fit for work, they can claim JSA in name while the appeal is ongoing? Im sure I read about this some years back when ESA was first being introduced.
Not as far as I'm aware - hence I'm getting nothing.
If I signed on then I'd be subject to harassment from job centre staff & that is something which I could not bear.
I don't know if it was ever the case but it's certainly not now. If you sign up for JSA you have to abide by the terms.
Also when you claim JSA you are declaring yourself fit for work, which would endanger your ESA appeal and possibly disqualify yourself for it.
Like with myself I ESA and PIP, my mum gets DLA plus state pension and me dad gets state pension. So if all this totals up to more than 20k a year, i'm not sure if it does but if it does then what out of these benefits gets cut? I don't really understand these budgets much.
I don't think disability benefits are included
Yes but with announcing things like this, it makes it sound like everyone on benefits is picking up 26k and year and now will have to scrape by on just 20k. No wonder people in work hate all people on benefits as it sound like people on benefits are getting a lot more than they do.
However: Standard JSA is £74 a week - 74 X 52 = £3848 a year! so almost 4k not the 20k figure that makes it sound like everyone is living the dream life.
And if ESA is £30 more then: 104 X 52 = £5408 - So just who is getting this 20K and where do I apply?
And of course that is when they are deciding to pay you and not stopping your money for no reason at all.
And what would these people on the streets do to eat? Crime would sky-rocket and millions would march on London.
Blatant falsehood alert! On 7 May, the Conservatives only got the support of 36.9% of those who voted (which = only 25% of the wider electorate), i. e. getting on for two-thirds of voters on the day voted against the Conservative party. That is not popular majority support or endorsement and the Conservatives' parliamentary majority stems from a rotten, corrupt and antiquated electoral system and certainly not from mass public appeal.
The MPs should have their pay CUT by HALF and their expenses SCRAPPED. But they are ringfenced when it comes to austerity
This explains which benefits count towards the cap and the exemptions. You are exempt from the cap, based on what you have said above;
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/245745/benefit-cap-factsheet_24.07.13.pdf
Thanks for the info
So...
They did it.
No more ESA WRAG.
This just can't be good..
With Ian Duncan Himmler laughing hysterically like a deranged super villain - things are obviously going to become very grim indeed for a lot of people.