To fight inequality, tax land and not labour

TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-03/to-fight-inequality-tax-land
So here is a bold idea for a national candidate: Propose a national land value tax. It would highlight the fact that, except for land and housing, capital ratios have not risen here, despite Piketty's rhetoric. It would also be economically efficient and reduce wealth inequality. The revenue could be used to reduce other taxes, or to help close the actuarial deficits in our entitlement programs, or some combination thereof.

Sometimes old ideas are good ideas. Henry George advocated forcefully for a land tax in his 1879 book, "Progress and Poverty." More than 135 years later, perhaps its time is ripe.

Article is US centric but it can easily apply here.
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  • PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    yeah, work well that in london.
  • TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    yeah, work well that in london.

    It would result in a more even economy spread throughout the UK instead of having an economy that is centred around London.

    If politicians are serious about re-balancing the economy as they claim to be, this is what is needed.
  • mungobrushmungobrush Posts: 9,332
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    "All animals are created equal. But some are more equal than others"
  • TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    "All animals are created equal. But some are more equal than others"

    What?
  • paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    you are still stuck with the problem that land, much like any property is not very liquid and is only worth what people pay for it. Within the last decade land and property prices rose considerably driven in part by the same problems which led to the credit crunch - so the current values may not even reflect the true value of that land.

    You can see that from the link in your post where the price per square foot rose from $47 to $366 a more than 7 times increase - no investment makes that kind of return in 7 years.
  • mungobrushmungobrush Posts: 9,332
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    What?

    It's a quote from "Animal Farm" by George Orwell.
  • TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    It's a quote from "Animal Farm" by George Orwell.

    And the relevance?
  • mungobrushmungobrush Posts: 9,332
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    There's no such thing as equality
    Cream always floats to the top.
    Crap sinks to the bottom.
    It's the way of nature

    From the latest billionaires list by Forbes:
    "Forbes said the entrepreneurship is thriving globally and 1,191 members of the list are self-made billionaires, while just 230 inherited their wealth."
  • TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    There's no such thing as equality
    Cream always floats to the top.
    Crap sinks to the bottom.
    It's the way of nature

    From the latest billionaires list by Forbes:
    "Forbes said the entrepreneurship is thriving globally and 1,191 members of the list are self-made billionaires, while just 230 inherited their wealth."

    Well you will never eradicate it completely but it can be minimised just not by super taxing the incomes of "the rich".
  • mungobrushmungobrush Posts: 9,332
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    Well you will never eradicate it completely but it can be minimised just not by super taxing the incomes of "the rich".

    Why would you want to minimise it?

    That sounds like we are going to punish success and reward failure
  • TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    Why would you want to minimise it?

    That sounds like we are going to punish success and reward failure

    Not sure how you work that out from "tax land, not labour".

    Simple Georgism, a person owns the value of what they fairly create but land is a common resource.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    There's no such thing as equality
    Cream always floats to the top.
    Crap sinks to the bottom.
    It's the way of nature

    From the latest billionaires list by Forbes:
    "Forbes said the entrepreneurship is thriving globally and 1,191 members of the list are self-made billionaires, while just 230 inherited their wealth."

    Well to my mind that means people who work their weekends for nothing to please their employer must be among the crap that sinks to the bottom.
    Somebody on here said they did so recently which points to that person being a failure in life if they sell their labour for nothing...
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,720
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    It won't work.

    Too many landowners are asset rich and cash poor.
  • dosanjh1dosanjh1 Posts: 8,727
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    "All animals are created equal. But some are more equal than others"
    mungobrush wrote: »
    It's a quote from "Animal Farm" by George Orwell.
    mungobrush wrote: »
    There's no such thing as equality
    Cream always floats to the top.
    Crap sinks to the bottom.
    It's the way of nature

    From the latest billionaires list by Forbes:
    "Forbes said the entrepreneurship is thriving globally and 1,191 members of the list are self-made billionaires, while just 230 inherited their wealth."

    I think you've misunderstood the meaning Orwell intended to convey
  • TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    The author of this piece:

    Peter R. Orszag is a Bloomberg View columnist. Now vice chairman of corporate and investment banking and chairman of the financial strategy and solutions group at Citigroup, he was previously director of the Office of Management and Budget

    I truly believe he wishes to fight inequality, I really do.
    But I also believe the moon is made of Cheddar and that cats can speak English fluently, so maybe my judgement is not the best.
  • mungobrushmungobrush Posts: 9,332
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    Well to my mind that means people who work their weekends for nothing to please their employer must be among the crap that sinks to the bottom.
    Somebody on here said they did so recently which points to that person being a failure in life if they sell their labour for nothing...

    Do you think that Bill Gates succeeded by knocking off at 5 every Friday?
    I don't think that you get it at a all
  • mungobrushmungobrush Posts: 9,332
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    Tassium wrote: »
    I truly believe he wishes to fight inequality, I really do.
    But I also believe the moon is made of Cheddar and that cats can speak English fluently, so maybe my judgement is not the best.

    Why would anyone want to fight inequality?
    We should embrace inequality
    We should encourage human achievement and continue to push it to higher and higher levels.
    Athletes do it all the time.
    Formula One teams are constantly looking for that extra edge that makes them winners
    No-one wants to be"equal"
    Mediocrity will be the death knoll for any society that adopts it.
  • TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    Why would anyone want to fight inequality?
    We should embrace inequality
    We should encourage human achievement and continue to push it to higher and higher levels.
    Athletes do it all the time.
    Formula One teams are constantly looking for that extra edge that makes them winners
    No-one wants to be"equal"
    Mediocrity will be the death knoll for any society that adopts it.

    In the UK I think the generally accepted definition of 'inequality' is: unequal because of unfairness

    In other words an uneven playing field. the old boys network, charging fees for higher education, etc etc...

    It's a word that has gradually ceased to be defined, perhaps that is a mistake.


    Of course, perhaps some people use it differently. Communists maybe.
  • MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    Meilie wrote: »
    It won't work.

    Too many landowners are asset rich and cash poor.

    Why not sell some assets then? You can't eat a house.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    Do you think that Bill Gates succeeded by knocking off at 5 every Friday?
    I don't think that you get it at a all

    No worries I'm not interested in the off chance of becoming a millionaire, quality of life is more important.
    Working weekends for nothing as you do is not my idea of quality of life, each to their own though i suppose...
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    Why would anyone want to fight inequality?
    We should embrace inequality
    We should encourage human achievement and continue to push it to higher and higher levels.
    Athletes do it all the time.
    Formula One teams are constantly looking for that extra edge that makes them winners
    No-one wants to be"equal"
    Mediocrity will be the death knoll for any society that adopts it.

    Dystopian...
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,720
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    MC_Satan wrote: »
    Why not sell some assets then? You can't eat a house.

    You could sell some of your land, but the buyer will have to pay an annual fine, sorry, a tax, on the land, so why on earth would anyone buy it?
  • MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    Meilie wrote: »
    You could sell some of your land, but the buyer will have to pay an annual fine, sorry, a tax, on the land, so why on earth would anyone buy it?

    Build on it? I don't know. Land does sell though.
  • LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,647
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    Well to my mind that means people who work their weekends for nothing to please their employer must be among the crap that sinks to the bottom.
    Somebody on here said they did so recently which points to that person being a failure in life if they sell their labour for nothing...

    I often do an hour or two extra at weekends and don't get paid a penny extra. I don't do it to please my employer but because it makes my life easier. It's called being salaried - I get paid a fixed amount per year regardless of how many hours I actually work or when I do them. If it's quiet on a Friday afternoon I will knock off early. If I have some reports to catch up on on a Sunday I'll do it. All of the work gets done and I'm happy so what's the problem?

    I may not be a billionaire but I'm a long way from being a "failure in life.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    LostFool wrote: »
    I often do an hour or two extra at weekends and don't get paid a penny extra. I don't do it to please my employer but because it makes my life easier. It's called being salaried - I get paid a fixed amount per year regardless of how many hours I actually work or when I do them. If it's quiet on a Friday afternoon I will knock off early. If I have some reports to catch up on on a Sunday I'll do it. All of the work gets done and I'm happy so what's the problem?

    I may not be a billionaire but I'm a long way from being a "failure in life.

    Very good, except if you worked all the weekend for nothing on a regular basis as somebody mentioned on here that they do you may feel as though you were being taken for a ...fool...
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