Is it OK to listen to Gary Glitter?

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  • Galaxy266Galaxy266 Posts: 7,049
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    If you listen to a Gary Glitter track you are, in fact, listening to GG singing and another chap, Mike Leander, playing virtually all the instruments. Mike also co-wrote and produced all the songs.

    The Glitter Band performed the songs with GG live on stage. They didn't play a single note on the recordings.

    There's no reason whatsoever for not listening to Gary Glitter songs. It's unfortunate that both Mike Leander and the Glitter Band have, no doubt, effectively lost out due to GG's later revealed behaviour. They themselves have done nothing wrong whatsoever.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    [QUOTE=1Mickey;76244469]But there's a big difference between sleeping in the same bed and sleeping in the same room.

    1. Michael Jacksons room was 2 floors, so the same room doesn't mean the same bed

    2. In the documentary which most people think proves him guilty he mentions that sleeping in the room doesn't mean sleeping in the same bed
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlu8-JavZ8I

    The actual evidence is pages long but feel free

    http://www.mjfacts.info/2005_trial_transcripts.php

    but here's the boiled down reason it was rejected from a member of his defense team:

    Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj9pzFtEMjM

    Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=762eTkHY6jg

    Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVP_UUC0rms

    Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1WiSpEz5SI

    part 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqTgell1QDE[/QUOTE]

    And yet he did sleep in the same bed...but keep defending him, as you seem to think his actions are perfectly fine.
  • 1Mickey1Mickey Posts: 10,427
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    And yet he did sleep in the same bed...but keep defending him, as you seem to think his actions are perfectly fine.

    As far as i'm aware sleeping isn't a criminal offense.
  • dee123dee123 Posts: 46,197
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    Course it is. Appreciate the music, not the artist.

    Exactly. If people aren't mature enough to separate the man from the material, that's their loss.
  • Dave3622Dave3622 Posts: 1,819
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    And yet he did sleep in the same bed...but keep defending him, as you seem to think his actions are perfectly fine.

    That doesn't mean anything sexual happened though. The man was deprived a childhood and had the most appalling Father which may well have seriously damaged Michael's mental health and caused him to behave the way he did.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    Dave3622 wrote: »
    That doesn't mean anything sexual happened though. The man was deprived a childhood and had the most appalling Father which may well have seriously damaged Michael's mental health and caused him to behave the way he did.

    I didn't say anything sexual happened...just making excuses for him...doesn't make it right.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    1Mickey wrote: »
    As far as i'm aware sleeping isn't a criminal offense.

    No problem in your eyes then with people abusing their power to sleep with children...glad we cleared that up.
  • 1Mickey1Mickey Posts: 10,427
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    No problem in your eyes then with people abusing their power to sleep with children...glad we cleared that up.

    I have no problem based on the actual evidence. If you want to go on assumptions then thats up to you.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    1Mickey wrote: »
    I have no problem based on the actual evidence. If you want to go on assumptions then thats up to you.

    Well condone his actions for abusing his power to sleep with kiddies then...if you can't then you find it perfectly acceptable. I am not saying he did anything sexual, but what he did was wrong...he could have easily said no and that would have been the right thing to do.
  • 1Mickey1Mickey Posts: 10,427
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    Well condone his actions for abusing his power to sleep with kiddies then...if you can't then you find it perfectly acceptable. I am not saying he did anything sexual, but what he did was wrong...he could have easily said no and that would have been the right thing to do.

    I don't need to condone it. Its not a criminal offense.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    1Mickey wrote: »
    I don't need to condone it. Its not a criminal offense.

    It doesn't have to be a criminal offence, to be wrong or right...but at least I know where you stand.
  • 1Mickey1Mickey Posts: 10,427
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    It doesn't have to be a criminal offence, to be wrong or right...but at least I know where you stand.

    I doubt anyone would be to shocked that i don't think sleeping is morally wrong,
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    He wasn't brilliant, no, but I do think there's a tendency to rubbish any talent he had because of who he was.

    His architectural studies are much better than anything I could hope to do:
    Yes, very fair. I don't really like looking at them, which is obviously 100% projecting my own knowledge on them.

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    dearmrman wrote: »
    I didn't say anything sexual happened...just making excuses for him...doesn't make it right.

    It was extremely foolish, whatever the exact details. He was a poignant example of what happens if you take someone from an extremely dysfunctional background and allow them to do and have anything they want. To put it mildly, he seems to have had no common sense at all.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    1Mickey wrote: »
    I doubt anyone would be to shocked that i don't think sleeping is morally wrong,

    No...but abusing your position of power to be able to satisfy your need to be able to sleep with kids certainly should be.
  • 1Mickey1Mickey Posts: 10,427
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    No...but abusing your position of power to be able to satisfy your need to be able to sleep with kids certainly should be.

    You can twist it as much as you like. Sleeping is not a criminal offense or morally wrong and you're not going to persuade me that it is.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    1Mickey wrote: »
    You can twist it as much as you like. Sleeping is not a criminal offense or morally wrong and you're not going to persuade me that it is.

    Not twisting anything...would you find it okay if some random guy down your street started behaving in the same way, befriending children and sleeping with them?
  • 1Mickey1Mickey Posts: 10,427
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    Not twisting anything...would you find it okay if some random guy down your street started behaving in the same way, befriending children and sleeping with them?

    That's removing the actions from the actual context, which is twisting things. Nobody in my street has a 3000 acre ranch with arcades, a cinema, a fairground, a zoo and guest cottages.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    1Mickey wrote: »
    That's removing the actions from the actual context, which is twisting things. Nobody in my street has a 3000 acre ranch with arcades, a cinema, a fairground, a zoo and guest cottages.

    I forgot you need a lair to attract the kiddies....any ideas what sort of people do that?
  • 1Mickey1Mickey Posts: 10,427
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    I forgot you need a lair to attract the kiddies....any ideas what sort of people do that?

    Keep twisting. It says more about you than anyone else.
  • floogfloog Posts: 981
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    It's fine but unfortunately some small-minded cretins will take it as an implicit admission that you are a paedophile and try to kill you.
  • EspressoEspresso Posts: 18,047
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    cultureman wrote: »
    Yes Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis are very good examples of the basic point under discussion.

    And Elvis Presley. He was 24 when he met the 14 year old he went on to marry. People have no problems still playing his music.

    And Bill Wyman started going out with Mandy Smith when she was 13 and he was 47. I've never heard anyone wondering if it was alright to play music by The Rolling Stones.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    1Mickey wrote: »
    Keep twisting. It says more about you than anyone else.

    If you like...but I don't find it acceptable for grown men to be sleeping with befriended children...unlike others.
  • 1Mickey1Mickey Posts: 10,427
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    If you like...but I don't find it acceptable for grown men to be sleeping with befriended children...unlike others.

    In that case i hope you're not left alone with any kids.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,435
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    1Mickey wrote: »
    In that case i hope you're not left alone with any kids.

    Personally was hoping that for you...wouldn't know what strangers you would leave kids with.
  • 1Mickey1Mickey Posts: 10,427
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    Personally was hoping that for you...wouldn't know what strangers you would leave kids with.

    Still twisting.
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