Thats my point why pay some one £70 to do it when i could do it in 2 min and the fitter of the gas socket said it was legal
If something went wrong and it exploded and blew your house up - the insurance probably wouldn't pay out if you hadn't had it properly and legally fitted.
Actually, I believe you can fit it yourself as long as you get a corgi gas fitter to check it afterwards and certify that it is safe ( I think it is called commissioning ??)
I bought a Calor gas cooker last year (we don't have natural gas here) for £125, I don't do a lot of cooking but just wanted something other than a microwave which was all I'd had for 5 years. Anyhow, I phoned several Corgi registered fitters. The cheapest quote to connect it I got was £160! Absolutely bloody scandalous for about half and hour's work. More than the cooker. And only one of them could do the job before Christmas (this was the first week in December) In the end, my ex came and did it for me, and no, he's not corgi bloody registered, but he's fitted loads whilst we were together and since in his own properties. I'll take that chance - gas fitters are taking the pee.
If something went wrong and it exploded and blew your house up - the insurance probably wouldn't pay out if you hadn't had it properly and legally fitted.
You know, I was going to post exactly the same thing.
But thinking about it further, there isn't a central register of houses that have had the fittings installed / connected by a Corgi engineer, so the proof would be on you.
Ergo, when the insurance ask for the piece of paper so they can pay out, you would probably find it had blown up with the house!
I feel a Quango happening the Corgi Registered Appliance Protocol, maybe
I fitted and installed my gas hob when I was refitting my kitchen. It's perfectly legal for you to do this yourself HOWEVER it was a condition of my house insurance that gas installations had been checked by a CORGI operative.
Blokey came round , did his checks, issued certificate. I don't think he charged all that much either.. fifteen quid or so IRC.
The rules with regards to electrical installations changed recently in as much that it is no longer legal to do any kind of electrical work beyond changing changing bulbs / plug tops / swicth plates without using a registered electrician.
Again you can do the work your self but it must checked and approved by a qualified electrician.
I mention the electrical bit cos a lot of cookers/hobs require electrical connection be made as well
If something went wrong and it exploded and blew your house up - the insurance probably wouldn't pay out if you hadn't had it properly and legally fitted.
You know, I was going to post exactly the same thing.
But thinking about it further, there isn't a central register of houses that have had the fittings installed / connected by a Corgi engineer, so the proof would be on you.
Ergo, when the insurance ask for the piece of paper so they can pay out, you would probably find it had blown up with the house!
I feel a Quango happening the Corgi Registered Appliance Protocol, maybe
Need a bomb proof safe, innit
Seriously, though - yes you have a point of course. Hopefully, you would be able to remember who did the certification and they would have records, but .......
I would happily disconnect a gas cooker & have done more than once, but I'd be rather wary of connect the appliance. I'm not prepared to risk a gas leak that I might not spot until bits of me have been scattered around the house when it blows up. Not to save about £30, which is the most I'd have left after paying someone to a CORGI-registered chap/chapette to check it anyway.
Sections 22 & 23 here http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/33-6.htm kind of cover it but, as I said before, if you are not doing the work for money, in your own house, then I believ you only need to be competent rather than CORGI. And most people could make a reasonable case regarding being competent at connecting a bayonet fitting.
The that i do i couldf hook it up in 5 min just need to know if it is legal or not
You don't just need to know if it is legal or not, though. With gas, as with electricity, you need to know whether things such as connections are safe or not.
Maybe it's the way you write about it, but your posts do not convey an impression to me of knowledge or competence with gas.
Well as broadcast & electronics engineer in my spare time i have installed alot of pipe work in my own home (old house) for water and showers and kitchen sinks etc and also i installed air con in my old home, For gas it is easy to check for leaks just use soap water thats all gas engineers do and thats all they did when they installed the new point in my new house,
You do not need to letcher me on health & safety as i know all about that working at height and on multi million pound transmitter sites and earth stations,
You don't just need to know if it is legal or not, though. With gas, as with electricity, you need to know whether things such as connections are safe or not.
Maybe it's the way you write about it, but your posts do not convey an impression to me of knowledge or competence with gas.
But thinking about it further, there isn't a central register of houses that have had the fittings installed / connected by a Corgi engineer, so the proof would be on you.
Errrr... yes there is !!!, the gas registration scheme started over 2 years ago.
For gas it is easy to check for leaks just use soap water thats all gas engineers do and thats all they did when they installed the new point in my new house,
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Soapy water is a banned substance for gas engineers as it is corrosive to the pipe and fittings also gas fitters have to do a pressure test as putting a non corrosive leak test fluid on the pipe isnt going to tell you if the cooker has an internal leak of if it has the more common fault of a puncture in the hose.
Leak test fluids are to search for leaks found on a pressure test, not to see if there might be one after installing an appliance.
if you are not doing the work for money, in your own house, then I believ you only need to be competent rather than CORGI. And most people could make a reasonable case regarding being competent at connecting a bayonet fitting.
The last sentence says it all really, fitting a cooker is never about "connecting a bayonet" and instantly proves that you would not be classed as competant under law, when installing a gas appliance you would be expected to have knowlege for a start of using a manometer,leak testing (NOT with a liquid that bubbles), working pressure testing, including a test from the meter to check that you are losing more than 1mb pressure around the system with appliances in use, you would be expected to fit a stability device also, and know that the bayonet position behind the cooker is in suitable position for the appliance and within the manufacturers specified location, also that the angle of exit for the bayonet is correct, and the connection point is suitable ( a suitable connection point must have a backplate as part of its construction and be fixed to the wall, a pipe clip near the end of the pipe is NOT suitable)
In all I get fed up of people fitting their own cookers and not having a clue, I have to write out "not to current standards" "at risk" and even "immediately dangerous" forms EVERY DAY because of this, its a good job I am not a jobsworth or a couple of customers (and other gas fitters) would have had riddors issued against them in the past.
You also have to be competant when doing it in your own house, its a myth that you can do gas work in your own house and not have to worry about getting in trouble.
From all I have read on this thread, please dont fit your own cookers as you havent a clue how to do it to standards.
i thats all good and well but the corgi's i have round did not mind i did not have a chain....
I would rather have done it myself, than pay silly prices to corgi people (unless of course you know them )
Its all in explainitary leaflets in Wickes (i worked there )
1, All freestanding gas cookers fitted on a flexible hose since 1989 MUST have a stability device fitted.
Hmm.... silly prices ? do you fancy paying my public liabilty insurance for working on gas ? or my van insurance for carrying explosive/flammable materials on it ? my corgi registration fees ? My once every 5 years ACS exams (around 5k) ? calibration fees for specialist tools ? etc....
3,I have never seen fit your own gas appliance leaflets at wickes,they would leave themselves wide open if they did that, alot of places wont even recomend a fitter to install an appliance they have sold in case anything goes wrong as even just reccomending a fitter can make them partially responsible in law and at least 1 store I know of has had to pay out compensation to a customer because they recomended him and things went "boobs up" even though the store had made no financial gain from the recommendation.
If I remember correctly, the chain is to stop the cooker being pulled forward and disconnecting the bayonet fitting.
Not quite, the chain is actually just an alternative to a stability bracket, gas regs state this is "to stop the cooker being tipped in operation" of course on some ranges etc the cooker is so heavy that its never going to be tipped over but because the cooker has a flexible hose connected it still has to have a "stability device fitted.
On one last note........ I wish I knew how to multi-quote then I could have got that all in one post
Not quite, the chain is actually just an alternative to a stability bracket, gas regs state this is "to stop the cooker being tipped in operation" of course on some ranges etc the cooker is so heavy that its never going to be tipped over but because the cooker has a flexible hose connected it still has to have a "stability device fitted.
On one last note........ I wish I knew how to multi-quote then I could have got that all in one post
On the right where it says quote, theres a little icon next to it with a plus sign, click those which turn red and how ever many you want to quote... And then click reply at the bottom, it puts all the quotes in..
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If something went wrong and it exploded and blew your house up - the insurance probably wouldn't pay out if you hadn't had it properly and legally fitted.
Actually, I believe you can fit it yourself as long as you get a corgi gas fitter to check it afterwards and certify that it is safe ( I think it is called commissioning ??)
Blokey came round , did his checks, issued certificate. I don't think he charged all that much either.. fifteen quid or so IRC.
The rules with regards to electrical installations changed recently in as much that it is no longer legal to do any kind of electrical work beyond changing changing bulbs / plug tops / swicth plates without using a registered electrician.
Again you can do the work your self but it must checked and approved by a qualified electrician.
I mention the electrical bit cos a lot of cookers/hobs require electrical connection be made as well
Hope this helps
You should definitely get a registered gas fitter to do it.
You don't just need to know if it is legal or not, though. With gas, as with electricity, you need to know whether things such as connections are safe or not.
Maybe it's the way you write about it, but your posts do not convey an impression to me of knowledge or competence with gas.
You do not need to letcher me on health & safety as i know all about that working at height and on multi million pound transmitter sites and earth stations,
JD=Job done !
Good luck
Leak test fluids are to search for leaks found on a pressure test, not to see if there might be one after installing an appliance.
In all I get fed up of people fitting their own cookers and not having a clue, I have to write out "not to current standards" "at risk" and even "immediately dangerous" forms EVERY DAY because of this, its a good job I am not a jobsworth or a couple of customers (and other gas fitters) would have had riddors issued against them in the past.
You also have to be competant when doing it in your own house, its a myth that you can do gas work in your own house and not have to worry about getting in trouble.
From all I have read on this thread, please dont fit your own cookers as you havent a clue how to do it to standards.
Hmm.... silly prices ? do you fancy paying my public liabilty insurance for working on gas ? or my van insurance for carrying explosive/flammable materials on it ? my corgi registration fees ? My once every 5 years ACS exams (around 5k) ? calibration fees for specialist tools ? etc....
3,I have never seen fit your own gas appliance leaflets at wickes,they would leave themselves wide open if they did that, alot of places wont even recomend a fitter to install an appliance they have sold in case anything goes wrong as even just reccomending a fitter can make them partially responsible in law and at least 1 store I know of has had to pay out compensation to a customer because they recomended him and things went "boobs up" even though the store had made no financial gain from the recommendation.
On one last note........ I wish I knew how to multi-quote then I could have got that all in one post
On the right where it says quote, theres a little icon next to it with a plus sign, click those which turn red and how ever many you want to quote... And then click reply at the bottom, it puts all the quotes in..