And yeah, another "Socialist" sipping Champagne, in £3000 a night rooms, barging in to first class as and when they like, feeling he can use commoners as sex toys.
Some are more eqaul than others don't you know.
DSK aside, since allegations in France are mounting too, do you expect a socialist not to like good food and wine or the comfort of a first class room? Why? Because it offends you?
Besides, almost all senior politicians (regardless of party) are utterly vile in one way or another.
Brown's international standing is far better than his political standing here in the UK. He was widely praised for his actions taking the lead in the G20 during the banking crisis.
Yes really. As the article says the hopes of any British person of leading the IMF are thin, not just Brown. But I was referring to the time of the banking collapse when Brown was widely praised by other leaders for taking the lead and tackling the problems effectively.
People judge him here on his performance as PM when he suffered monumentally bad press, which didn't help the way he was perceived. It was partly his fault of course, but no reason to write him off for a position he could be good at.
Yes really. As the article says the hopes of any British person of leading the IMF are thin, not just Brown. But I was referring to the time of the banking collapse when Brown was widely praised by other leaders for taking the lead and tackling the problems effectively.
People judge him here on his performance as PM when he suffered monumentally bad press, which didn't help the way he was perceived. It was partly his fault of course, but no reason to write him off for a position he could be good at.
Well he certainly was involved in taking the lead but borrowing and chucking money at the problem was not and is not seen by many as being very effective.
Having said that he would be a very good candidate with regard to not being likely to be involved in sex scandals.
Well he certainly was involved in taking the lead but borrowing and chucking money at the problem was not and is not seen by many as being very effective.
Having said that he would be a very good candidate with regard to not being likely to be involved in sex scandals.
I was thinking more of his moving swiftly to keep the banking system afloat after Lehmann Brothers were allowed to collapse. The USA was paralysed over their proposed bailout and had the UK not taken action at that time nothing might have been done and we might have had depression to deal with. Without that "chucking of money" we would all have been far worse off. The recession would have been a lot deeper and might even have become a depression.
I was thinking more of his moving swiftly to keep the banking system afloat after Lehmann Brothers were allowed to collapse. The USA was paralysed over their proposed bailout and had the UK not taken action at that time nothing might have been done and we might have had depression to deal with. Without that "chucking of money" we would all have been far worse off. The recession would have been a lot deeper and might even have become a depression.
It still will become a depression - that much is a given; all Brown did was create a bigger bill for us to pay while getting out of the recession/depression.
To be fair, he did keep his promise of ending "boom and bust"; he created permanent bust.
It still will become a depression - that much is a given; all Brown did was create a bigger bill for us to pay while getting out of the recession/depression.
To be fair, he did keep his promise of ending "boom and bust"; he created permanent bust.
Attempts at humour aside, if he hadn't taken the lead on bailing out the banks we'd all be much worse off right now.
As the article says the hopes of any British person of leading the IMF are thin, not just Brown. But I was referring to the time of the banking collapse when Brown was widely praised by other leaders for taking the lead and tackling the problems effectively.
It doesn't matter what you were 'referring to', the post I responded to (and to which you responded in turn) was about the IMF.
One of the consequences of this development could be the creation of a vacancy at the top of the International Monetary Fund thus potentially opening the way to one Gordon Brown to become of of the candidates for this post.
People judge him here on his performance as PM when he suffered monumentally bad press, which didn't help the way he was perceived. It was partly his fault of course, but no reason to write him off for a position he could be good at.
Of course people here judge him on his performance. What else do you expect? He was one of the most disastrous PMs we have ever had and the opprobrium heaped upon him was and is no-one's fault but his own. Yet you think there is no sound reason to write him off? Good luck pushing that view, here or elsewhere.
He's just been denied bail and has to go to prison. American jails are dangerous places for white men, not in nazi or biker gangs. I expect he will get special treatment though.
He's just been denied bail and has to go to prison. American jails are dangerous places for white men, not in nazi or biker gangs. I expect he will get special treatment though.
Meanwhile back in Europe the IMF conference went on without him and Sarkozy is dancing for joy.:D
And a French woman is making a similar claim.
It only goes to prove that in the world of politics nothing can be taken for granted.
@hugorifkind Custody? But why would a US court possibly think France would refuse to extradite a famous man who fled after being accused of sex offences?
It doesn't matter what you were 'referring to', the post I responded to (and to which you responded in turn) was about the IMF.
And I was talking about his reputation as perceived by his peers outside the UK. I.E. people who are more likely to matter when it comes to appointing the next MD of the IMF.
Of course people here judge him on his performance. What else do you expect? He was one of the most disastrous PMs we have ever had and the opprobrium heaped upon him was and is no-one's fault but his own. Yet you think there is no sound reason to write him off? Good luck pushing that view, here or elsewhere.
I'm not trying to push any view, just put things in a wider perspective. The Brown hatred on this forum has little to do with facts and a lot to do with image. If Brown was ever a serious contender for the job it's because people thought he could do it.
Some of the opprobrium heaped on him has been as a result of the really quite vile smears some in the press created. Once it was clear to Murdoch he no longer had a PM in place he could do deals with the hounds were set loose. He wasn't the best at presenting himself or his policies, but that doesn't make him a bad politician. If you believe everything that was said about him that's up to you, but his performance was by no means disasterous. It wasn't great, but it was no better and no worse than many other PMs we've had.
Obviously Brown's name is mud on this forum so you will always get general agreement. I was just trying to point out that leaders unpopular in their own country are often viewed quite differently abroad, and vice versa. UK popular opinion would not be the deciding factor if Brown was ever considered for the job.
The Brown hatred on this forum has little to do with facts and a lot to do with image. If Brown was ever a serious contender for the job it's because people thought he could do it.
Some of the opprobrium heaped on him has been as a result of the really quite vile smears some in the press created. Once it was clear to Murdoch he no longer had a PM in place he could do deals with the hounds were set loose. He wasn't the best at presenting himself or his policies, but that doesn't make him a bad politician. If you believe everything that was said about him that's up to you, but his performance was by no means disasterous.
That's an interesting analysis.
He may have had/still have friends within the IMF but when his calamitous management style became clear - only after he'd left office - his chances of the top job evaporated.
And the vile smears put out by M(a)cBride (sp?) and Draper while Brown was in office? They don't matter?
Few senior politicians (of any party) deserve sympathy because they all choose to stand for office, but Brown deserves far less sympathy than most.
Is it fair that the man has his name splashed all over the media while the woman is kept anonymous.? Even if he is not guilty his name will be forever tarnished as no smoke without fire
Is it fair that the man has his name splashed all over the media while the woman is kept anonymous.? Even if he is not guilty his name will be forever tarnished as no smoke without fire
If he is not guilty all reasonable people will accept the verdict based on the evidence. Only idiots try people in their own heads with no evidence and come up with stupid assumptions. Who would care about the opinion of a numbmut?
He's just been denied bail and has to go to prison. American jails are dangerous places for white men, not in nazi or biker gangs. I expect he will get special treatment though.
What a stupid statement. I would think American jails are dangerous for all people. Black people have to put up with Aryan Nation Nazis as well, who are not known for their kindness, gentleness and pacifism. Unbelievable statement!!!!!!!!!
A friend of mine worked with DSK for many years and said that the allegations are very likely to be true.
He sounds like a horror. I feel sorry for the alleged victim who in contrast to this beast, has no power or money. I wouldn't be surprised if he's guilty but with his expensive lawyers, will get away with it.
Is it fair that the man has his name splashed all over the media while the woman is kept anonymous.? Even if he is not guilty his name will be forever tarnished as no smoke without fire
Actually, she hasn't been kept anonymous. The press has released her name.
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DSK aside, since allegations in France are mounting too, do you expect a socialist not to like good food and wine or the comfort of a first class room? Why? Because it offends you?
Besides, almost all senior politicians (regardless of party) are utterly vile in one way or another.
Really?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/apr/19/gordon-brown-imf-david-cameron
People judge him here on his performance as PM when he suffered monumentally bad press, which didn't help the way he was perceived. It was partly his fault of course, but no reason to write him off for a position he could be good at.
Well he certainly was involved in taking the lead but borrowing and chucking money at the problem was not and is not seen by many as being very effective.
Having said that he would be a very good candidate with regard to not being likely to be involved in sex scandals.
It still will become a depression - that much is a given; all Brown did was create a bigger bill for us to pay while getting out of the recession/depression.
To be fair, he did keep his promise of ending "boom and bust"; he created permanent bust.
I'm not usually a conspiracy type, but who would like him out of the way?
It doesn't matter what you were 'referring to', the post I responded to (and to which you responded in turn) was about the IMF.
As for:
Of course people here judge him on his performance. What else do you expect? He was one of the most disastrous PMs we have ever had and the opprobrium heaped upon him was and is no-one's fault but his own. Yet you think there is no sound reason to write him off? Good luck pushing that view, here or elsewhere.
Meanwhile back in Europe the IMF conference went on without him and Sarkozy is dancing for joy.:D
And a French woman is making a similar claim.
It only goes to prove that in the world of politics nothing can be taken for granted.
@hugorifkind
Custody? But why would a US court possibly think France would refuse to extradite a famous man who fled after being accused of sex offences?
I'm not trying to push any view, just put things in a wider perspective. The Brown hatred on this forum has little to do with facts and a lot to do with image. If Brown was ever a serious contender for the job it's because people thought he could do it.
Some of the opprobrium heaped on him has been as a result of the really quite vile smears some in the press created. Once it was clear to Murdoch he no longer had a PM in place he could do deals with the hounds were set loose. He wasn't the best at presenting himself or his policies, but that doesn't make him a bad politician. If you believe everything that was said about him that's up to you, but his performance was by no means disasterous. It wasn't great, but it was no better and no worse than many other PMs we've had.
Obviously Brown's name is mud on this forum so you will always get general agreement. I was just trying to point out that leaders unpopular in their own country are often viewed quite differently abroad, and vice versa. UK popular opinion would not be the deciding factor if Brown was ever considered for the job.
That's an interesting analysis.
He may have had/still have friends within the IMF but when his calamitous management style became clear - only after he'd left office - his chances of the top job evaporated.
And the vile smears put out by M(a)cBride (sp?) and Draper while Brown was in office? They don't matter?
Few senior politicians (of any party) deserve sympathy because they all choose to stand for office, but Brown deserves far less sympathy than most.
Only when on IMF official business, which he wasn't.
Thank goodness he isn't
If he is not guilty all reasonable people will accept the verdict based on the evidence. Only idiots try people in their own heads with no evidence and come up with stupid assumptions. Who would care about the opinion of a numbmut?
What a stupid statement. I would think American jails are dangerous for all people. Black people have to put up with Aryan Nation Nazis as well, who are not known for their kindness, gentleness and pacifism. Unbelievable statement!!!!!!!!!
He sounds like a horror. I feel sorry for the alleged victim who in contrast to this beast, has no power or money. I wouldn't be surprised if he's guilty but with his expensive lawyers, will get away with it.
Actually, she hasn't been kept anonymous. The press has released her name.
In the hallway within the suite? Seems unlikely. "Please stay in our Presidential Suite, we will be recording everything you do"?