Er maybe by stopping him doing the same to any other kids.
And in your case, why didn't you report it when you were an adult? That same horrible man might still be abusing kids right now.
Not having a go, just interested like....
I didn't know who he was so why report it as an adult?
Proof?...not a shred of evidence.:(
My experience is probably similar to these women who have only come crawling out of the woodwork now.
I do not understand what they gain.........other than a bit of attention.
I know exactly how they feel but I genuinely struggle to understand their motives now.:(
As others have said, he's asked for permission to appeal (some or all of) the convictions. However, if his request for a hearing is granted, I think the most likely result will be either no change, or a sentence reduction and I think he and his legal team know this.
This is because there were legal arguments concerning evidence presented in many of the charges, on which the judge had to rule during the trial and if he ruled incorrectly on any of them, that particular conviction could be quashed. I'd have thought that the judge would have got most if not all of his rulings right though, so most or all of the sentences will stand.
Only if one or more of the consecutive sentences are ultimately quashed, or if the judge made consecutive what should have been concurrent, is Harris likely to get an overall sentence reduction and even then, it's not certain due to the 'must be proportionate overall' part of the sentencing guidelines.
I hope it results in a no change to his sentence. It just shows how arrogant Harris is to try and appeal.
My concern is the accuracy and validity of the evidence forty years on. The witnesses for the prosecution will have been briefed to make RH look like a cousin of Satan as would Counsel herself.
I think I lean towards DiamonDoll here and I know my wife does too. Perhaps one of RH's crimes was simply that,compared with many others, he was famous with a high public profile.
I didn't know who he was so why report it as an adult?
Proof?...not a shred of evidence.:(
My experience is probably similar to these women who have only come crawling out of the woodwork now. I do not understand what they gain.........other than a bit of attention.
I know exactly how they feel but I genuinely struggle to understand their motives now.:(
They'll gain some justice for what that revolting man did to them.
My concern is the accuracy and validity of the evidence forty years on. The witnesses for the prosecution will have been briefed to make RH look like a cousin of Satan as would Counsel herself.
I think I lean towards DiamonDoll here and I know my wife does too. Perhaps one of RH's crimes was simply that,compared with many others, he was famous with a high public profile.
I have no concerns over the accuracy of the evidence. Obviously some details would be foggy after 40 years but there is no way the main facts could be disputed.
I will go out on a limb here and say I think it is a possibility the poster didn't word it quite right ( or I hope that's what it is ) , I think they may wish he was innocent as opposed to seeing a guilty man be freed as they just don't like the fact / they hope a childhood hero could not do such a thing.
I sort of get that in the sense of hoping someone is not guilty, though of course that does not mean they are innocent .
Thanks for that Yes I'm sorry I dont think I worded it quite right, but I think you summed up what I was trying to say
I didn't know who he was so why report it as an adult?
Proof?...not a shred of evidence.:(
My experience is probably similar to these women who have only come crawling out of the woodwork now. I do not understand what they gain.........other than a bit of attention.
No wonder prople find it hard to come forward when this is how they're perceived.
I know exactly how they feel but I genuinely struggle to understand their motives now.:(
Well clearly you don't know how they feel since you have no idea how what happened them affected them.
Was it your intention to sound as callous and dismissive as you do here. DD? It's one thing to be really upset over him being found guilty of what he's been accused of, quite another to imply the blame lies with those he abused.
I didn't know who he was so why report it as an adult?
Proof?...not a shred of evidence.:(
My experience is probably similar to these women who have only come crawling out of the woodwork now.
I do not understand what they gain.........other than a bit of attention.
I know exactly how they feel but I genuinely struggle to understand their motives now.:(
Perhaps they want to protect others. Perhaps now they feel they will finally be listened to.
The fact that they are under attack shows why we have such shocking rape conviction rates in this country. We are still far too happy to blame the victim - even a child - than look at the actions of the abuser/rapist.
The fact he is still alive is the main reason.
There's no chance Vanessa Feltz would lie because she still has a successful carrier. Linda Nolan also has family history of sexual abuse so wont lie as well.
Linda Nolan refuses to acknowledge her sister's claims of being sexually abused by their father. Heard her being interviewed on the radio a few months back and when asked about it she said "That is my sister's story, not mine, please move on."
Linda Nolan refuses to acknowledge her sister's claims of being sexually abused by their father. Heard her being interviewed on the radio a few months back and when asked about it she said "That is my sister's story, not mine, please move on."
That doesn't mean it didn't happen - just that it didn't happen to Linda. It's not unusual for one child in a family of many siblings to be singled out for abuse - either sexual, physical and/or emotional.
Perhaps they want to protect others. Perhaps now they feel they will finally be listened to.
The fact that they are under attack shows why we have such shocking rape conviction rates in this country. We are still far too happy to blame the victim - even a child - than look at the actions of the abuser/rapist.
I've read somewhere that 2 out of 3 rapes don't even get reported, that says it all for me.
Linda Nolan refuses to acknowledge her sister's claims of being sexually abused by their father. Heard her being interviewed on the radio a few months back and when asked about it she said "That is my sister's story, not mine, please move on."
Or maybe she didn't want to speak about something so personal & private about her sister?
The thing about RH are that it his accusers are across the world, not just here. The victims in Australia and New Zealand will not get justice of a day in court as he is banged up here and will be very old when he gets out. In court he was exceedingly arrogant, who but a mega maniac sings to the court, when on trial? The evidence that convicted him was the letter and his lies about whether he had been to Cambridge or not. If he gets a reduced sentence he is not going to be any safer out of prison.
Actually we are saying the same thing. The facts are that he is a proven nonce who got a lenient sentence given what he was charged with and prosecuted for. Luckily for him, the charges dated back before his crimes could earn more appropriate sentences...
If he does get off his sentence, maybe he can be extradited to Australia because I think some people might want to talk to him down there..There is also the child porn issue too.
And he will not be safer out of prison either.
What if and it is a big if, he actually gets all charges against him dismissed on appeal. Does that still mean he is guilty ? In the eyes of the law then the answer is no. Will the public still think he's guilty ? Probably a lot will. But what about all the names and other things he has been called in the media. Will they then have to make a retraction and apologise ? Will he get his BAFTA award reinstated ? Wait and see.
What if and it is a big if, he actually gets all charges against him dismissed on appeal. Does that still mean he is guilty ? In the eyes of the law then the answer is no. Will the public still think he's guilty ? Probably a lot will. But what about all the names and other things he has been called in the media. Will they then have to make a retraction and apologise ? Will he get his BAFTA award reinstated ? Wait and see.
In the extremely unlikely event that happens, other charges will be pressed such as making & uploading child pornography not to mention the queue of women who haven't pressed charges yet. He's a proven nonce and liar, the only dispute being the precise extent of his activities...
The thing about RH are that it his accusers are across the world, not just here. The victims in Australia and New Zealand will not get justice of a day in court as he is banged up here and will be very old when he gets out. In court he was exceedingly arrogant, who but a mega maniac sings to the court, when on trial? The evidence that convicted him was the letter and his lies about whether he had been to Cambridge or not. If he gets a reduced sentence he is not going to be any safer out of prison.
The singing was just bizarre and an attempt, I feel, to remind the jury of who he is and why they love him. Glad they weren't taken in.
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I didn't know who he was so why report it as an adult?
Proof?...not a shred of evidence.:(
My experience is probably similar to these women who have only come crawling out of the woodwork now.
I do not understand what they gain.........other than a bit of attention.
I know exactly how they feel but I genuinely struggle to understand their motives now.:(
I hope it results in a no change to his sentence. It just shows how arrogant Harris is to try and appeal.
I think I lean towards DiamonDoll here and I know my wife does too. Perhaps one of RH's crimes was simply that,compared with many others, he was famous with a high public profile.
They'll gain some justice for what that revolting man did to them.
Did you read what happened to Bindi's friend?
I have no concerns over the accuracy of the evidence. Obviously some details would be foggy after 40 years but there is no way the main facts could be disputed.
Thanks for that
No problem grimtales
No wonder prople find it hard to come forward when this is how they're perceived.
Well clearly you don't know how they feel since you have no idea how what happened them affected them.
Was it your intention to sound as callous and dismissive as you do here. DD? It's one thing to be really upset over him being found guilty of what he's been accused of, quite another to imply the blame lies with those he abused.
I don't think it will because they had to go by what could be given out back then.
Yes, that's about right.
Perhaps they want to protect others. Perhaps now they feel they will finally be listened to.
The fact that they are under attack shows why we have such shocking rape conviction rates in this country. We are still far too happy to blame the victim - even a child - than look at the actions of the abuser/rapist.
Linda Nolan refuses to acknowledge her sister's claims of being sexually abused by their father. Heard her being interviewed on the radio a few months back and when asked about it she said "That is my sister's story, not mine, please move on."
That doesn't mean it didn't happen - just that it didn't happen to Linda. It's not unusual for one child in a family of many siblings to be singled out for abuse - either sexual, physical and/or emotional.
I've read somewhere that 2 out of 3 rapes don't even get reported, that says it all for me.
Or maybe she didn't want to speak about something so personal & private about her sister?
Apart from replying to this thread, I've forgotten about him. I don't waste time storing up dislike or hate for him.
Thank you, cool
If he does get off his sentence, maybe he can be extradited to Australia because I think some people might want to talk to him down there..There is also the child porn issue too.
And he will not be safer out of prison either.
Hes supposedly drawing cartoons for the lags inside to keep them sweet!.