Three to start charging for delivery reports

Beagle2Beagle2 Posts: 1,262
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Just got a text from Three to say they'll be charging 1p for every delivery report requested as of 6th June 2011.

This was one of the main reasons I joined Three over other networks. Surely it doesn't cost them 1p/text to have delivery reports active. And to charge for such a simple service seems a bit rubbish to me. :(

I know Orange charge for theirs and O2 don't even have them. Is Vodafone the only network to still offer this for free? I might end up going back to Vodafone if that's the case.

Does this give me the right to cancel my contract? Or at least negotiate some kind of discount?
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  • GlomperGlomper Posts: 3,250
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    My Viirgin payg DD doesn't charge me for delivery reports

    Neither does my old plan Orange PAYG, for which I also get 5 free texts a day, untii 2026 !

    I do miss the free voicemail on Virgin.
  • Everything GoesEverything Goes Posts: 12,972
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    Beagle2 wrote: »
    Just got a text from Three to say they'll be charging 1p for every delivery report requested as of 6th June 2011.

    This was one of the main reasons I joined Three over other networks. Surely it doesn't cost them 1p/text to have delivery reports active. And to charge for such a simple service seems a bit rubbish to me. :(

    I know Orange charge for theirs and O2 don't even have them. Is Vodafone the only network to still offer this for free? I might end up going back to Vodafone if that's the case.

    Does this give me the right to cancel my contract? Or at least negotiate some kind of discount?


    To get a delivery report on O2 type *0# at the beginning of the message (make sure automatic delivery reports is switched off). Its free!

    Orange contracts in recent years added a charge for delivery reports. But then again Orange went downhill when France Telecom took over.

    Good luck with trying to leave 3. The data allowance is the only thing they have got going for them really.
  • Beagle2Beagle2 Posts: 1,262
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    Thing is, I don't want to leave them - I just think it's ridiculous that they would charge for this. Surely other networks don't charge for acknowledging text deliveries and relaying a message back?

    If they do, then it's ridiculous on their part, not Three's - but there's still a bit of ridiculousness somewhere. :p

    And yeah, I know O2 do them by text, but it's not something you can switch on permanently.

    I suppose I can't expect everything to be included with my contract...
  • WelshBluebirdWelshBluebird Posts: 740
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    Beagle2 wrote: »
    Thing is, I don't want to leave them - I just think it's ridiculous that they would charge for this. Surely other networks don't charge for acknowledging text deliveries and relaying a message back?

    If they do, then it's ridiculous on their part, not Three's - but there's still a bit of ridiculousness somewhere. :p

    And yeah, I know O2 do them by text, but it's not something you can switch on permanently.

    I suppose I can't expect everything to be included with my contract...

    Orange charge for them, think its 1p too.
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    it never ceases to amaze me how willing the mobile networks are to change your contract mid term.

    they are going to find themselves in trouble for this because it could easily increase your bill by 5 or 10 pounds a month and thus entitle you to leave your contract.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1
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    Quite. Last time a company changed my contract mid-term I had my PAC the same day... Virgin Mobile it was. They understood their legal obligations.

    Speaking to Three, however, they don't seem to understand the law - so I've sent them this in the post:
    To Whom It May Concern:

    I am writing to you regarding your new charge of 1p per SMS delivery report.

    You advise that 1p will be charged for each delivery report as of 6th June 2011. I do not agree to this change and wish to opt out. I contacted your customer services team today regarding this and was told

    “Yes sir, you will have to loose a key feature of your service or pay an extra 5% to 10% to keep it”.

    I took out the service with you in good faith on the basis that I would receive free delivery reports. It a key feature of the service for me and to charge for it or remove it is greatly unfair. I find that this is an unreasonable change to my service conditions. Contract law does not allow unfair or unreasonable changes to be made unless both parties agree. I do not agree. If I agreed in my original contract with you that changes could be made without my prior or subsequent authorisation, contract law still dictates that such changes must be fair and reasonable.

    This change would force me to either loose a key feature of my service, or suffer a financial loss in excess of the rate of inflation.

    In this instance, I require you to do one of the following in order to resolve my complaint:

    Ensure that the change does not take effect and I continue to receive free delivery reports
    Issue me with a PAC and cancel my contract as of 6th June 2011 free of charge

    I allow you until the 6th June 2011 (21 days) to resolve my complaint in one of the above two manners. Failure to do so will result in my referring this matter to the Ombudsman for adjudication.

    Watch this space :)
  • davybhoydavybhoy Posts: 1,296
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    Orange charge for them, think its 1p too.

    How do you get them on Orange?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5
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    Companies regularly break the terms and conditions and just hope to get away with it.

    SMS delivery reports are a core part of the service, by 3's own definition.
    "Glossary - Specific words and phrases that need further explanation."

    "Additional Services: additional or supplemental services for which a charge is made in addition to the fixed periodic charges for your Package or Add-on(s) (if applicable)."

    "Terms and conditions for using the Three network. All the things you need to know now that you're using our network and services."

    Section 4 - "Variations to your agreement or prices"

    "4.1 We may vary any of the terms of your agreement, including our Packages, on the following basis:
    (a) any updated Packages and new terms will be available on our website and on request to Three Customer services;
    (b) we will let you know at least one month in advance if we decide to:
    (i) discontinue your Package; or
    (ii) make any variations to your agreement which are likely to be of detriment to you; or
    (iii) increase the fixed periodic charges for your Package (if applicable) by an amount which is more than the percentage increase in the Retail Prices Index Figure (or any future equivalent) in any twelve month period.

    You can end the agreement for such variations in Section 10.

    Subject to the above, you will not be able to end the agreement if such variation or increase:
    (i) is due to changes to the law, government regulation, or licence which affects us; or
    (ii) relates solely to Additional Services; or
    (iii) relates solely to Add-on(s) (if applicable to you). In such circumstances you will not be able to end your agreement but you will be able to cancel the Add-on(s) by giving us 30 days' written notice; and
    (c) if you carry on using Three Services after the variation commences, you will be deemed to have accepted the variation."

    Section 10 - “Ending this agreement and Disconnection of Three services”

    "10.1(d) Within one month of a detrimental variation to your agreement. You can end the agreement within one month of us telling you about a variation to your agreement(which includes your Package) which is likely to be of detriment to you. You must give notice to Three Customer Services within that month and your agreement will will finish at the end of that month once we receive your notice. (A Cancellation Fee will not be charged.)

    The delivery reports were not an additional service, as they were not billable and were included with the monthly charge for services. Customers therefore have a legal right to walk away from any contracts in place as Three have broken the contract by introducing charging, which is of obvious detriment to customers.

    I'm in the process of writing to them. :)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,482
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    User2 wrote: »
    Companies regularly break the terms and conditions and just hope to get away with it.

    SMS delivery reports are a core part of the service, by 3's own definition.



    The delivery reports were not an additional service, as they were not billable and were included with the monthly charge for services. Customers therefore have a legal right to walk away from any contracts in place as Three have broken the contract by introducing charging, which is of obvious detriment to customers.

    I'm in the process of writing to them. :)

    I haven't had any notification of the changes.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5
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    MMMojo1960 wrote: »
    I haven't had any notification of the changes.

    Nor I. They're supposedly texting all customers, but I presume it'll be a staggered approach.
  • QTC13QTC13 Posts: 3,566
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    I ent heard of this either and I'm with 3.

    Not that I'm overly bothered tbh. I don't see why the big fuss if I'm honest. Surely you'll know if the text has been delivered when/if you get a reply?
  • grumpyoldbatgrumpyoldbat Posts: 3,663
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    QTC13 wrote: »
    I ent heard of this either and I'm with 3.

    Not that I'm overly bothered tbh. I don't see why the big fuss if I'm honest. Surely you'll know if the text has been delivered when/if you get a reply?

    ^^^ This.

    Why do you need a delivery report. If the person you send it to doesn't reply it probably means they don't want to!
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    QTC13 wrote: »
    I ent heard of this either and I'm with 3.

    Not that I'm overly bothered tbh. I don't see why the big fuss if I'm honest. Surely you'll know if the text has been delivered when/if you get a reply?

    do you know what passive aggressive is?

    It's very belittling to be dismissive of other people's concerns. It's a technique that always gets people's backs up.
  • coolesticekingcoolesticeking Posts: 146
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    When Orange started to charge, they would not let people leave mid-contract as they said "You can switch them off."
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    Would be handy to know if anyone is successful with this.
  • QTC13QTC13 Posts: 3,566
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    flagpole wrote: »
    do you know what passive aggressive is?

    It's very belittling to be dismissive of other people's concerns. It's a technique that always gets people's backs up.


    :yawn:

    This post has nothing to do with 3 proposing to charge for delivery reports. Please keep on topic in future.

    Thanks
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,482
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    User2 wrote: »
    Nor I. They're supposedly texting all customers, but I presume it'll be a staggered approach.

    OR mybe depends on package and loyalty?

    OK just called three about this and yes from june the 6th there will be the "one pence" charge.

    Alledgedly it the software company they use, who are charging them and therefore they are passing it on to the customer. (which if you read the contract...changes can be made).

    They are looking at ways to avoid this long term and may look at ways on how to re imburse the customer too.

    But if you cant afford a penny (these are my words now, not 3's) turn off your delivery reports.
  • The Alpha GamerThe Alpha Gamer Posts: 3,122
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5
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    ^^^ This.

    Why do you need a delivery report. If the person you send it to doesn't reply it probably means they don't want to!

    Delivery reports, and their cost, were a key consideration when I was selecting a contract. However insignificant you may perceive them to be, I have two family members where these are a real need - I guess the most important would be the one who suffers from bi-polar disorder and borderline personality disorder. I need to know when the messages are being received, but then ignored, as opposed to just disappearing into thin air - as it very much changes what I need to be doing, and gives me a much better idea of when to start worrying.

    Just because you perceive them to be of little or no benefit, they were of key importance to other handset users.

    It may only be a penny to you, but I need those reports for 3-500 texts per month. That'll be 10-15% above my monthly cost when I took out the contract a couple of months ago - and will last the duration of my 2-year term.
  • QTC13QTC13 Posts: 3,566
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    User2 wrote: »
    Delivery reports, and their cost, were a key consideration when I was selecting a contract. However insignificant you may perceive them to be, I have two family members where these are a real need - I guess the most important would be the one who suffers from bi-polar disorder and borderline personality disorder. I need to know when the messages are being received, but then ignored, as opposed to just disappearing into thin air - as it very much changes what I need to be doing, and gives me a much better idea of when to start worrying.

    Just because you perceive them to be of little or no benefit, they were of key importance to other handset users.

    It may only be a penny to you, but I need those reports for 3-500 texts per month. That'll be 10-15% above my monthly cost when I took out the contract a couple of months ago - and will last the duration of my 2-year term.


    And on that basis, just because YOU think they're important, doesn't mean EVERYONE else has to too.

    Think it best to agree to disagree and move on;)
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    QTC13 wrote: »
    And on that basis, just because YOU think they're important, doesn't mean EVERYONE else has to too.

    Think it best to agree to disagree and move on;)

    1. I didn't start the thread. Evidently someone else also felt they were important enough to comment on the subject.

    2. This is a change that potentially affects every customer Three has. Those on contract have a small window of opportunity to legally end their obligations without penalty if they feel the change warrants it - there is no harm in raising public awareness, as Three certainly won't do this.

    3. If you have no interest in the matter, nor any kind of concern about any company changing the product you've agreed to use for a considerable period of time, why bother replying in the first place?
  • QTC13QTC13 Posts: 3,566
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    User2 wrote: »
    1. I didn't start the thread. Evidently someone else also felt they were important enough to comment on the subject.

    2. This is a change that potentially affects every customer Three has. Those on contract have a small window of opportunity to legally end their obligations without penalty if they feel the change warrants it - there is no harm in raising public awareness, as Three certainly won't do this.

    3. If you have no interest in the matter, nor any kind of concern about any company changing the product you've agreed to use for a considerable period of time, why bother replying in the first place?


    Yea, like I said, just agree to disagree and move on ;)
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    QTC13 wrote: »
    :yawn:

    This post has nothing to do with 3 proposing to charge for delivery reports. Please keep on topic in future.

    Thanks

    perhaps you could leave the moderating to the moderators?

    the fact is that some people are concerned about this. that you are not or can't see why changes nothing.
  • grumpyoldbatgrumpyoldbat Posts: 3,663
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    User2 wrote: »
    Delivery reports, and their cost, were a key consideration when I was selecting a contract. However insignificant you may perceive them to be, I have two family members where these are a real need - I guess the most important would be the one who suffers from bi-polar disorder and borderline personality disorder. I need to know when the messages are being received, but then ignored, as opposed to just disappearing into thin air - as it very much changes what I need to be doing, and gives me a much better idea of when to start worrying.

    Just because you perceive them to be of little or no benefit, they were of key importance to other handset users.

    It may only be a penny to you, but I need those reports for 3-500 texts per month. That'll be 10-15% above my monthly cost when I took out the contract a couple of months ago - and will last the duration of my 2-year term.
    Thank you for explaining why they might be important. I couldn't think of a single instance where they might be important, but you have given an example. That said, your situation is pretty specialist, and it's a service that costs Three money to provide across all user and they're passing the cost to all users, but there are actually few people using it, maybe they feel they should just charge the people who require it.

    I'm not having a go at you, but if I wanted a service from my phone provider that few people use, I'd probably expect to pay extra for it, as a lot of us did in the beginning when data use was still the domain of a tiny percentage of users.

    Just another way of looking at it. :)
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    in london delivery reports are useful because so many people are on the tube so much of the time. it's useful to know if you haven't got an answer because something hasn't been delivered or the person isn't answering.

    the cost of text message and their reports is nothing to the network. it's equivalent to a fraction of a second of voice.

    the real issue for me is simply them moving the goal posts and changing your service.

    it also seems like a bit of a trap. people will enable the reports without knowing that they are going to be charged until they get an extra fiver on their bill.
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