Interesting and mixed responses to my original post.
However, I still stand by what I said, we never thought of any of this behaviour as sexual assault (because it wasn't), in my opinion.
And I know this will offend some, but some of the incidents I read about in the press make me roll my eyes in exasperation and think "grow a set love"!
'The lady doth protest too much' springs to mind. If it wasn't a big deal why make a whole new thread about it when there's already a massive one?
Maybe OP wanted to share an opinion about the general topic regarding sexual harassment in the workplace - the other thread was around a specific case and a specific set of circumstances. Does she need thread approval from you first?
I presume that just because she doesn't share others' keyboard-banging sense of outrage on the issue of workplace harassment, she must be 'protesting'. How about respecting OPs opinion?
Maybe OP wanted to share an opinion about the general topic regarding sexual harassment in the workplace - the other thread was around a specific case and a specific set of circumstances. Does she need thread approval from you first?
The other thread had long moved into the general topic, otherwise it wouldn't have been as big. A brand-new one is just attention seeking. Which, again, forces me to question how much the OP really didn't care about it all.
The other thread had long moved into the general topic, otherwise it wouldn't have been as big. A brand-new one is just attention seeking. Which, again, forces me to question how much the OP really didn't care about it all.
That's your reading of the thread creation - thankfully not everyone else's.
Besides, it may have escaped your notice, but any useful discussion in the other thread was getting quickly buried by personal animosity and backbiting between users. So I applaud OP for making this one.
She also sounds in denial, so I guess I'm glad to see people call her out on that if nothing else.
Unclear why you are taking it upon yourself to decide for the OP how she feels. Plus, if you think this thread is 'unnecessary' and you question the authenticity, why exactly are you posting within?
Interesting and mixed responses to my original post.
However, I still stand by what I said, we never thought of any of this behaviour as sexual assault (because it wasn't), in my opinion.
And I know this will offend some, but some of the incidents I read about in the press make me roll my eyes in exasperation and think "grow a set love"!
You think people should grow a set when someone makes what you called inappropriate comments at them and when someone leans against them in sexual manner, I'm assuming it was a sexual manner otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it.
Do you have children? How would you feel if every time your son or daughter went to work they got treated like that, do you seriously think that sort of behaviour is okay in a workplace? There are women in this thread who have said they just kneed the person etc and they stopped but if they hadn't done that what on earth would that behaviour have developed into, the man most likely thought ah no luck there and moved onto some other poor girl who might not have had the same ability to stand up for themselves. There is just no need for any sexually related behaviour at all in a workplace unless you of course are a porn star. I work in an all female environment and we all have plenty of fun without having to behave like you've mentioned.
You think people should grow a set when someone makes what you called inappropriate comments at them and when someone leans against them in sexual manner, I'm assuming it was a sexual manner otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it.
Do you have children? How would you feel if every time your son or daughter went to work they got treated like that, do you seriously think that sort of behaviour is okay in a workplace? There are women in this thread who have said they just kneed the person etc and they stopped but if they hadn't done that what on earth would that behaviour have developed into, the man most likely thought ah no luck there and moved onto some other poor girl who might not have had the same ability to stand up for themselves. There is just no need for any sexually related behaviour at all in a workplace unless you of course are a porn star. I work in an all female environment and we all have plenty of fun without having to behave like you've mentioned.
I'm sure that, should anyone have felt genuinely threatened where I worked, they would have taken matters seriously.
I'm sure that, should anyone have felt genuinely threatened where I worked, they would have taken matters seriously.
As far as I can recall, no-one did.
Those that indulge in the type of behaviour described use that as a defence all the time. It was banter, no one complained etc. Some people could put up with it, others hated it, but daren't say anything, and because of that, the assumption was they liked it.
You didn't answer as to whether you had children. Would you want a daughter to go into a workplace where men behaved as you describe?
Those that indulge in the type of behaviour described use that as a defence all the time. It was banter, no one complained etc. Some people could put up with it, others hated it, but daren't say anything, and because of that, the assumption was they liked it.
You didn't answer as to whether you had children. Would you want a daughter to go into a workplace where men behaved as you describe?
Yes, and when my daughter started working behind a bar, I told her to expect the occasional lewd comment and how to deal with it. I also told her that she should never feel threatened by it, and if she did, to tell her boss.
And I don't think I've been making a "big deal" about it, just stating how it was for me back in those days, i.e. not a "big deal".
I don't see anything wrong with you taking it in the stride, but did you like it?
Judging by your first post, it sounded you didn't. It seems you have chosen to accept it as one of those things? Would you prefer if it didn't happen at all?
For me, I wouldn't mind the banter if it wasn't so fixated on my body and my supposed sex life.
Yes, and when my daughter started working behind a bar, I told her to expect the occasional lewd comment and how to deal with it. I also told her that she should never feel threatened by it, and if she did, to tell her boss.
I don't see anything wrong with you taking it in the stride, but did you like it?
Judging by your first post, it sounded you didn't. It seems you have chosen to accept it as one of those things? Would you prefer if it didn't happen at all?
For me, I wouldn't mind the banter if it wasn't so fixated on my body and my supposed sex life.
It genuinely didn't bother me. If it had of bothered me, then I'm sure I would have done something about it.
Yes, and when my daughter started working behind a bar, I told her to expect the occasional lewd comment and how to deal with it. I also told her that she should never feel threatened by it, and if she did, to tell her boss.
And that is the point, everyone is different, and there shouldn't be an assumption that everyone should be prepared to put up with it.
If your daughter was upset about it, would you tell her to "grow a set"?
Maybe OP wanted to share an opinion about the general topic regarding sexual harassment in the workplace - the other thread was around a specific case and a specific set of circumstances. Does she need thread approval from you first?
I presume that just because she doesn't share others' keyboard-banging sense of outrage on the issue of workplace harassment, she must be 'protesting'. How about respecting OPs opinion?
:D "keyboard banging sense of outrage......brilliant
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don`t include me in your "we".
I presume that just because she doesn't share others' keyboard-banging sense of outrage on the issue of workplace harassment, she must be 'protesting'. How about respecting OPs opinion?
The other thread had long moved into the general topic, otherwise it wouldn't have been as big. A brand-new one is just attention seeking. Which, again, forces me to question how much the OP really didn't care about it all.
Besides, it may have escaped your notice, but any useful discussion in the other thread was getting quickly buried by personal animosity and backbiting between users. So I applaud OP for making this one.
Yup, she's a real hero.
She also sounds in denial, so I guess I'm glad to see people call her out on that if nothing else.
Why would I? I don't know you.
The "we" refers to my work colleagues.
I'm not saying how she feels, I'm saying how she comes across.
I wasn't aware of another thread, my apologies.
I made it after reading a newspaper article.
And I don't think I've been making a "big deal" about it, just stating how it was for me back in those days, i.e. not a "big deal".
I forgive you.
Do you have children? How would you feel if every time your son or daughter went to work they got treated like that, do you seriously think that sort of behaviour is okay in a workplace? There are women in this thread who have said they just kneed the person etc and they stopped but if they hadn't done that what on earth would that behaviour have developed into, the man most likely thought ah no luck there and moved onto some other poor girl who might not have had the same ability to stand up for themselves. There is just no need for any sexually related behaviour at all in a workplace unless you of course are a porn star. I work in an all female environment and we all have plenty of fun without having to behave like you've mentioned.
Call me out? Some of you have just given me a real laugh with the way you have been trying to analyse me.
Yes to the above.
I'm sure that, should anyone have felt genuinely threatened where I worked, they would have taken matters seriously.
As far as I can recall, no-one did.
So they wouldn't have been told to "grow a set" while the theme tune from "Carry On Harassing" played over the factory tannoy?
Those that indulge in the type of behaviour described use that as a defence all the time. It was banter, no one complained etc. Some people could put up with it, others hated it, but daren't say anything, and because of that, the assumption was they liked it.
You didn't answer as to whether you had children. Would you want a daughter to go into a workplace where men behaved as you describe?
Yes, and when my daughter started working behind a bar, I told her to expect the occasional lewd comment and how to deal with it. I also told her that she should never feel threatened by it, and if she did, to tell her boss.
I don't see anything wrong with you taking it in the stride, but did you like it?
Judging by your first post, it sounded you didn't. It seems you have chosen to accept it as one of those things? Would you prefer if it didn't happen at all?
For me, I wouldn't mind the banter if it wasn't so fixated on my body and my supposed sex life.
And what if her boss is the one doing it?
It genuinely didn't bother me. If it had of bothered me, then I'm sure I would have done something about it.
And that is the point, everyone is different, and there shouldn't be an assumption that everyone should be prepared to put up with it.
If your daughter was upset about it, would you tell her to "grow a set"?
Well as it never happened, I would have to guess that she would probably have quit the job, told me why and we would have taken it from there.
Thank you