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Fascists aim to descend upon the British National Party's "Red White and Blue" Festival this year and claim ironically that THEY are the ones being threatened by "thugs" when they themselves intend to travel long distances to attack innocent families.

Headlilne from "Socialist Worker" : "Nazi thugs' threats won't stop protest at BNP hate-fest".
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=18697

They are also determined to hold the BNP responisible for the inevitable fact that any crazy neo-Nazi group is certain to hate them and issue threats to them. In fact I strongly suspect they would make-up phony threats from groups that don't even exist just because they think that serves their increasigly hysterical purpose.

"Hate fest?" People are going there to celebrate British culture, folkishness, and be amongst friends. They would all get very ill if they were the kind of twisted hate-filled lunatics that the inappopropriately named "anti-fascists" clearly are. One can sense the foam dripping from these brutes' mouths just by reading their venomous lies and threats.

What is really telling is that whenever these creatures have a chance to make comments on forums, or youtube videos or Simon Darby's talk radio show, they always have nothing better to say than swearwords and threats of violence. Meanwhile people like me really wonder what motivates them, and wish they would see that they have a largely inaccurate view of what the (genuinely Socialist) British National Party is about - which essentially is a future for our children as something other than slaves.
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    The SnakesThe Snakes Posts: 8,940
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    The "Socialist Worker" people are the biggest bunch of idiots I've ever encountered. They are nearly all posh students, who don't have to worry about making ends meet etc, and they are in favour of mass-immigration, which weakens the bargaining power of working-class people when it comes to selling their labour. Whose interests are they supposed to represent? Union bosses? Fat-cat CEOs?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,153
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    The Snakes wrote:
    The "Socialist Worker" people are the biggest bunch of idiots I've ever encountered. They are nearly all posh students, who don't have to worry about making ends meet...
    I knew if I hung around long enough, I'd find something to agree with you about...:D
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,469
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    The Snakes wrote: »
    The "Socialist Worker" people are the biggest bunch of idiots I've ever encountered. They are nearly all posh students, who don't have to worry about making ends meet etc, and they are in favour of mass-immigration, which weakens the bargaining power of working-class people when it comes to selling their labour. Whose interests are they supposed to represent? Union bosses? Fat-cat CEOs?

    I can't say that I've kept up with the far left recently, they have generally been pretty quiet of late letting environmentalists chuck things at, and get beaten up by, the police at G20 and so on.

    A lot of what the Socialist Workers do is aimed at causing "discontent" in the hope that enough discontent will lead to a Marxist-Leninist/Trotskyite type revolution.

    Any old cause will do, be it BNP-baiting, environmentalism, or ending all immigration controls, but especially if a "protest" can be involved.

    Yes, they can usually come up with some leftist justification for all they advocate, but "The Revolution" is what's most important to them.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 713
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    Sage Vals wrote: »
    I can't say that I've kept up with the far left recently, they have generally been pretty quiet of late letting environmentalists chuck things at, and get beaten up by, the police at G20 and so on.

    A lot of what the Socialist Workers do is aimed at causing "discontent" in the hope that enough discontent will lead to a Marxist-Leninist/Trotskyite type revolution.

    Any old cause will do, be it BNP-baiting, environmentalism, or ending all immigration controls, but especially if a "protest" can be involved.

    Yes, they can usually come up with some leftist justification for all they advocate, but "The Revolution" is what's most important to them.

    Yes and they have no consistent idea of what they want from their "revolution" in the first place.

    As was mentioned, their pro immigration stance weakens British workers and serves the interests of capitalism. And at the same time they embrace homosexuality as something they want to pump up and spread about to everyone from birth onwards while at the same time being pro Muslim (supposedly) which is odd considering that homosexuality is violently rejected (along with much of feminism) by Islam.

    The only consisency in their ideology is that they are racist against whites. And then again the weird thing is that most of these idiots ARE WHITE !!!
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    Let the BNP have their festival, it's not harming anyone. After all, there aren't many festivals left which aren't all about 'celebrating diversity'. It's just an excuse to give the SWP a reason to put on their Che Guevara t-shirts and 'bash the fash' - which in practice means shouting rude things outside a family event.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 80
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    Severus wrote: »
    Let the BNP have their festival, it's not harming anyone. After all, there aren't many festivals left which aren't all about 'celebrating diversity'. It's just an excuse to give the SWP a reason to put on their Che Guevara t-shirts and 'bash the fash' - which in practice means shouting rude things outside a family event.

    100% agree. Wahtever happened to people being civil to each other? :confused:
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    etldlrletldlrl Posts: 6,162
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    100% agree. Wahtever happened to people being civil to each other? :confused:

    Indeed. Oh for the days of polite and well organised events such as the Nuremberg Rally. These days you can't even have a little neo-Nazi jamboree without the hippies looking askance. You would almost think that Fascism had done something to blot its copybook in the intervening period...
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    WokStationWokStation Posts: 23,112
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    they themselves intend to travel long distances to attack innocent families.
    That's quite an accusation, almost libellous if you cannot back it up.

    Here's something the BNP and their supporters don't seem to get though - they've every right to march calling for the end of immigration, they've every right to protest the actions of what they consider to be "lefties". Equally the Socialist Worker have the right to protest the actions of the BNP.

    As long as no law is broken, the BNP can like it or get stuffed :) (Note: I've no love for the Socialist Worker either).
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,458
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    etldlrl wrote: »
    Indeed. Oh for the days of polite and well organised events such as the Nuremberg Rally. These days you can't even have a little neo-Nazi jamboree without the hippies looking askance. You would almost think that Fascism had done something to blot its copybook in the intervening period...

    can you please explain what the Socialist Workers are? are they just a bunch of posh hippies as some people on this thread have claimed?
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    etldlrl wrote: »
    Indeed. Oh for the days of polite and well organised events such as the Nuremberg Rally. These days you can't even have a little neo-Nazi jamboree without the hippies looking askance. You would almost think that Fascism had done something to blot its copybook in the intervening period...

    If you ever find yourself in Hackney, look me up. I believe I owe you a pint for that post.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,005
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    Fascists aim to descend upon the British National Party's "Red White and Blue" Festival this year and claim ironically that THEY are the ones being threatened by "thugs" when they themselves intend to travel long distances to attack innocent families.

    Headlilne from "Socialist Worker" : "Nazi thugs' threats won't stop protest at BNP hate-fest".
    http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=18697

    They are also determined to hold the BNP responisible for the inevitable fact that any crazy neo-Nazi group is certain to hate them and issue threats to them. In fact I strongly suspect they would make-up phony threats from groups that don't even exist just because they think that serves their increasigly hysterical purpose.

    "Hate fest?" People are going there to celebrate British culture, folkishness, and be amongst friends. They would all get very ill if they were the kind of twisted hate-filled lunatics that the inappopropriately named "anti-fascists" clearly are. One can sense the foam dripping from these brutes' mouths just by reading their venomous lies and threats.

    What is really telling is that whenever these creatures have a chance to make comments on forums, or youtube videos or Simon Darby's talk radio show, they always have nothing better to say than swearwords and threats of violence. Meanwhile people like me really wonder what motivates them, and wish they would see that they have a largely inaccurate view of what the (genuinely Socialist) British National Party is about - which essentially is a future for our children as something other than slaves.


    I have no interest in responding to you directly, as you are clearly looking for some BNP row, which is about as useful as talking to a wall (a racist wall) and seem pretty vile, this kind of action from the SWP only makes things worse.
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    WokStationWokStation Posts: 23,112
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    angel1ka wrote: »
    can you please explain what the Socialist Workers are? are they just a bunch of posh hippies as some people on this thread have claimed?

    It's a newspaper and campaign group of social and/or communist persuasion. They're almost the exact opposite of the BNP, which is why they hate each other so much.

    While I don't support the SW, at least they're not a racist party with a leader who approves of violence as a political tool ("When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate.", Nick Griffin).
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    WokStation wrote: »
    It's a newspaper and campaign group of social and/or communist persuasion. They're almost the exact opposite of the BNP, which is why they hate each other so much.

    While I don't support the SW, at least they're not a racist party with a leader who approves of violence as a political tool ("When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate.", Nick Griffin).

    but do the people that support them tend to be more on the posh and hippie side?
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    MesostimMesostim Posts: 52,864
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    angel1ka wrote: »
    but do the people that support them tend to be more on the posh and hippie side?

    No... that seems to be some sort of attempted smeer... if you assume being a hippe, posh or a student are bad things, which is an underlying suggestion.
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    Mesostim wrote: »
    No... that seems to be some sort of attempted smeer... if you assume being a hippe, posh or a student are bad things, which is an underlying suggestion.

    ok...but DeadJoe agreed with Snakes that they are posh students who don't have to make ends meet and I usually agree with him on most issues..I will have to ask him about it I guess.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    angel1ka wrote: »
    ok...but DeadJoe agreed with Snakes that they are posh students who don't have to make ends meet and I usually agree with him on most issues..I will have to ask him about it I guess.

    I can't speak for the composition of the SWP today, but during the 90s when I was at uni and hung around with some people who were members, it was certainly not that case that they were all hippies or from wealthy backgrounds. In fact most SWP people would have had no time for hippies at all and would not have been big fans of rich kids either.
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    WokStation wrote: »
    It's a newspaper and campaign group of social and/or communist persuasion. They're almost the exact opposite of the BNP, which is why they hate each other so much.

    While I don't support the SW, at least they're not a racist party with a leader who approves of violence as a political tool ("When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate.", Nick Griffin).

    I think that you will find that the SWP do support violent political action. This is not to say that they believe in beating up people at random (as some far-right groups such as Combat18 advocate), but they would happily accept a violent overthrow of capitalism - aristos and capitalists against the wall, liquidate the kulaks etc, as per the actions of their beloved Trotsky in the Russian revolution. Having said that, they are not Stalinists.
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    "Hate fest?" People are going there to celebrate British culture, folkishness, and be amongst friends.
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    So he's gonna have an Indian Curry get pissed on German Lager, and do some morris dancing?
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    The Snakes wrote: »
    The "Socialist Worker" people are the biggest bunch of idiots I've ever encountered. They are nearly all posh students, who don't have to worry about making ends meet etc, and they are in favour of mass-immigration, which weakens the bargaining power of working-class people when it comes to selling their labour. Whose interests are they supposed to represent? Union bosses? Fat-cat CEOs?

    The interests they represent are those of the workers of the world, their true interests not just a few quid more here and there for their work, but the liberation of humanity via the proletarian revolution.

    They believe in a world where no one sells their labour, they believe in International Socialism.

    They believe in the communist future of mankind.
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    deadline wrote: »
    The interests they represent are those of the workers of the world, their true interests not just a few quid more here and there for their work, but the liberation of humanity via the proletarian revolution.

    They believe in a world where no one sells their labour, they believe in International Socialism.

    They believe in the communist future of mankind.

    Which is why they're just as extreme as the BNP.
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    WokStationWokStation Posts: 23,112
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    Severus wrote: »
    Which is why they're just as extreme as the BNP.

    I wouldn't go so far as that, and there's no love lost for the SW here. They're definitely a bit nutty, but I've not seen any racist policies or "chuck 'em out a plane" comments from their leader...

    The BNP, on the other hand... well, I don't really need to detail just how scummy they are yet again, do I? ;)
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    The Snakes wrote: »
    The "Socialist Worker" people are the biggest bunch of idiots I've ever encountered. They are nearly all posh students, who don't have to worry about making ends meet etc, and they are in favour of mass-immigration, which weakens the bargaining power of working-class people when it comes to selling their labour. Whose interests are they supposed to represent? Union bosses? Fat-cat CEOs?

    Over the last few years I have been an active member of our local Stop the War group. Members include Quakers and other religious people, socialists, Liberal Democrats, many non political people and several members of the local Socialist Workers group. The Socialist Workers members include 3 shift workers in the chemical industry, a jobbing builder, a scaffolder and a number of nurses, not a posh student in sight!

    Lazy slurs do not make a good argument.
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    Fascists aim to descend upon the British National Party's "Red White and Blue" Festival this year and claim ironically that THEY are the ones being threatened by "thugs" when they themselves intend to travel long distances to attack innocent families.

    Headlilne from "Socialist Worker" : "Nazi thugs' threats won't stop protest at BNP hate-fest".
    http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=18697

    They are also determined to hold the BNP responisible for the inevitable fact that any crazy neo-Nazi group is certain to hate them and issue threats to them. In fact I strongly suspect they would make-up phony threats from groups that don't even exist just because they think that serves their increasigly hysterical purpose.

    "Hate fest?" People are going there to celebrate British culture, folkishness, and be amongst friends. They would all get very ill if they were the kind of twisted hate-filled lunatics that the inappopropriately named "anti-fascists" clearly are. One can sense the foam dripping from these brutes' mouths just by reading their venomous lies and threats.

    What is really telling is that whenever these creatures have a chance to make comments on forums, or youtube videos or Simon Darby's talk radio show, they always have nothing better to say than swearwords and threats of violence. Meanwhile people like me really wonder what motivates them, and wish they would see that they have a largely inaccurate view of what the (genuinely Socialist) British National Party is about - which essentially is a future for our children as something other than slaves.

    Will the BNP be celebrating the rich contribution made by black Britons to our culture?
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    tysonstormtysonstorm Posts: 24,609
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    The Snakes wrote: »
    The "Socialist Worker" people are the biggest bunch of idiots I've ever encountered. They are nearly all posh students, who don't have to worry about making ends meet etc, and they are in favour of mass-immigration, which weakens the bargaining power of working-class people when it comes to selling their labour. Whose interests are they supposed to represent? Union bosses? Fat-cat CEOs?

    I agree to some extent, well with the fact they are idiots. Not sure on the posh students bit though.

    The problem is the BNP and the SWP is they are extremists from opposing sides of the spectrum, neither of which should be given the time of day.

    Both sides are dangerous and potentially bad for this country.

    Both the Left Wing and the Right Wing are idiotic and unrational, the SWP and BNP are prime examples of that.
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    kimindexkimindex Posts: 68,250
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    Over the last few years I have been an active member of our local Stop the War group. Members include Quakers and other religious people, socialists, Liberal Democrats, many non political people and several members of the local Socialist Workers group. The Socialist Workers members include 3 shift workers in the chemical industry, a jobbing builder, a scaffolder and a number of nurses, not a posh student in sight!

    Lazy slurs do not make a good argument.

    Well said!
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