In that case their application will be rejected as the majority do and chances are they'll be detained in a prison until they are deported so i wouldnt get too outraged
This from 2010 before the current incident:
In Afghanistan, the mujahideen, and later the Taliban, elevated ordinary Afghans' intolerance of non-Muslims to the level of official state policy – depriving the Sikhs of state protection, the only protection that the community have ever had in recent Afghan history. Subsequently, the Sikhs were denied their basic rights, including the right to bury their dead in line with the requirements of their faith. Religious intolerance, especially towards Sikhism and Hinduism, is a deeply ingrained part of Afghan national identity which was formulated in opposition to the Hindus and Sikhs of India. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/jul/06/afghanistan-sikhs-persecution
They're presently residing in temporary accommodation in the borough where I live & have been repeatedly denied access to social housing, despite not being able to afford to buy a garden shed let alone a house.....>:(
Because they didn't go through the correct procedure to move over here, we have our own needy on the street, yet they don't get any help from the government. Yet those who don't speak our language, the majority have no intention of learning our language or even attempt to get employment. We need to have a system in this country where we will only willing to let immigrants stay if they have a certain skill or at least speak our language as a start. If they cannot learn our language or refuse to do so in a reasonable period of time, then they should be sent right back home, they are not our responsibility.
The way it's going, we may as well remove borders from all parts of the world and let every ****** stay that illegally comes over.
The fact that they didn't appear at an official border control point means they weren't seeking asylum.
The fact they were discovered hiding in a container means they were attempting to enter Britain illegally. They were attempting to enter with no checks on why they were here. They attempted to hoodwink the British people.
Therefore their claim for asylum should be rejected.
The fact that they didn't appear at an official border control point means they weren't seeking asylum.
The fact they were discovered hiding in a container means they were attempting to enter Britain illegally. They were attempting to enter with no checks on why they were here. They attempted to hoodwink the British people.
Therefore their claim for asylum should be rejected.
Excellent points and the post above is also correct.
People smuggling operations shouldnt be rewarded. We have to be more like Australia.
Entering several countries illegally ?? . Putting lives at danger ? . Reason enough ?
Not really.
What does it matter to me, you or anyone else if these people, fleeing a bunch of bastards who can't just let others live their lives however they goddamn want, want to make a life in the UK. I don't see that I, or anyone else, has a monopoly over that right (certainly not because of some arbitrary and completely random fluke that I happen to have been born here; as if that was some sort of hard-won merit!)
Well some people might say that to claim asylum they should:
1. Be honest and not sneak in to the country using deception.
2. Apply on first contact with our border staff, not years later when a visa extension is refused.
3. Not pass through any safe countries on their journey here.
4. Agree to do no harm to this country or its citizens.
5. Agree to return home when safe to do so and not take citizenship or resort to human rights cases using taxpayers money.
For asylum to work it is important that it has the support of the public. If it is not seen as fair and the refugees are just seen as immigrants cheating the system, then you will get the outright hostility that so many liberal or left wing people find so hard to understand.
Excellent points and the post above is also correct.
People smuggling operations shouldnt be rewarded. We have to be more like Australia.
Interesting difference between Italy and Australia regarding asylum. When the Australian navy intercepts asylum seekers in boats, they load them in to safe boats and tow them back to Indonesia. When the Italian navy intercepts asylum seekers in boats, they take them back to the mainland and the authorities release them in to Europe, so they can make their way to the English channel through France.
Giving them asylum will simply reward other sneaking immigrants (whom we'd have to give asylum if they're from Afghanistan) and the people who traffic them.
we have our own needy on the street, yet they don't get any help from the government.
Oh right....weekly benefit payments for food, housing benefit for accommodation, free healthcare for care and medicine but no the British government does not help the needy does it.
This could be one big advert for the people, traffickers . There fore we have to do the right thing and make an example of this incident and deport them to Belgium . We know they came from there and the Asylum rules are very clear ..... The first safe country . We cannot be accused if sending back to Afghanistan to be " persecuted " and then others may just get the message that the UK is not a free for all ( literally ) .
Interesting difference between Italy and Australia regarding asylum. When the Australian navy intercepts asylum seekers in boats, they load them in to safe boats and tow them back to Indonesia. When the Italian navy intercepts asylum seekers in boats, they take them back to the mainland and the authorities release them in to Europe, so they can make their way to the English channel through France.
Another difference is what is actually working. Australia is now deterring people smuggling and economic migrants and Italy is encouraging them in ever greater numbers to take to leaky boats.The open EU borders is one big disasterous mess.
This problem is going to multiply rapidly as well in the next couple of years.
Another difference is what is actually working. Australia is now deterring people smuggling and economic migrants and Italy is encouraging them in ever greater numbers to take to leaky boats.The open EU borders is one big disasterous mess.
This problem is going to multiply rapidly as well in the next couple of years.
Look on the bright side, imagine if we had joined the Schengen zone, they would all be in London by now.
Oh right....weekly benefit payments for food, housing benefit for accommodation, free healthcare for care and medicine but no the British government does not help the needy does it.
What a load of bullshit.
If immigration continues at these levels and therefore the population continues to grow, the welfare state as we know it may become unsustainable.
Well some people might say that to claim asylum they should:
1. Be honest and not sneak in to the country using deception.
2. Apply on first contact with our border staff, not years later when a visa extension is refused.
3. Not pass through any safe countries on their journey here.
4. Agree to do no harm to this country or its citizens.
5. Agree to return home when safe to do so and not take citizenship or resort to human rights cases using taxpayers money.
For asylum to work it is important that it has the support of the public. If it is not seen as fair and the refugees are just seen as immigrants cheating the system, then you will get the outright hostility that so many liberal or left wing people find so hard to understand.
Regardless of what you typed, they still have the right to be here and claim asylum.
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why don't they?
at the moment i believe they are still in hospital
In Afghanistan, the mujahideen, and later the Taliban, elevated ordinary Afghans' intolerance of non-Muslims to the level of official state policy – depriving the Sikhs of state protection, the only protection that the community have ever had in recent Afghan history. Subsequently, the Sikhs were denied their basic rights, including the right to bury their dead in line with the requirements of their faith. Religious intolerance, especially towards Sikhism and Hinduism, is a deeply ingrained part of Afghan national identity which was formulated in opposition to the Hindus and Sikhs of India.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/jul/06/afghanistan-sikhs-persecution
They're presently residing in temporary accommodation in the borough where I live & have been repeatedly denied access to social housing, despite not being able to afford to buy a garden shed let alone a house.....>:(
Entering several countries illegally ?? . Putting lives at danger ? . Reason enough ?
Because they didn't go through the correct procedure to move over here, we have our own needy on the street, yet they don't get any help from the government. Yet those who don't speak our language, the majority have no intention of learning our language or even attempt to get employment. We need to have a system in this country where we will only willing to let immigrants stay if they have a certain skill or at least speak our language as a start. If they cannot learn our language or refuse to do so in a reasonable period of time, then they should be sent right back home, they are not our responsibility.
The way it's going, we may as well remove borders from all parts of the world and let every ****** stay that illegally comes over.
No surprise. That was the reason they risked their lives to get to the UK.
The fact they were discovered hiding in a container means they were attempting to enter Britain illegally. They were attempting to enter with no checks on why they were here. They attempted to hoodwink the British people.
Therefore their claim for asylum should be rejected.
Excellent points and the post above is also correct.
People smuggling operations shouldnt be rewarded. We have to be more like Australia.
Not really.
What does it matter to me, you or anyone else if these people, fleeing a bunch of bastards who can't just let others live their lives however they goddamn want, want to make a life in the UK. I don't see that I, or anyone else, has a monopoly over that right (certainly not because of some arbitrary and completely random fluke that I happen to have been born here; as if that was some sort of hard-won merit!)
Well some people might say that to claim asylum they should:
1. Be honest and not sneak in to the country using deception.
2. Apply on first contact with our border staff, not years later when a visa extension is refused.
3. Not pass through any safe countries on their journey here.
4. Agree to do no harm to this country or its citizens.
5. Agree to return home when safe to do so and not take citizenship or resort to human rights cases using taxpayers money.
For asylum to work it is important that it has the support of the public. If it is not seen as fair and the refugees are just seen as immigrants cheating the system, then you will get the outright hostility that so many liberal or left wing people find so hard to understand.
Interesting difference between Italy and Australia regarding asylum. When the Australian navy intercepts asylum seekers in boats, they load them in to safe boats and tow them back to Indonesia. When the Italian navy intercepts asylum seekers in boats, they take them back to the mainland and the authorities release them in to Europe, so they can make their way to the English channel through France.
Maybe the Ecuadorian Embassy could take them in?
Oh right....weekly benefit payments for food, housing benefit for accommodation, free healthcare for care and medicine but no the British government does not help the needy does it.
What a load of bullshit.
Another difference is what is actually working. Australia is now deterring people smuggling and economic migrants and Italy is encouraging them in ever greater numbers to take to leaky boats.The open EU borders is one big disasterous mess.
This problem is going to multiply rapidly as well in the next couple of years.
Look on the bright side, imagine if we had joined the Schengen zone, they would all be in London by now.
If immigration continues at these levels and therefore the population continues to grow, the welfare state as we know it may become unsustainable.
Regardless of what you typed, they still have the right to be here and claim asylum.