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Old 20-04-2015, 18:02
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That's what we call "conflicted."

Shades of Rhett Butler !! Do you think that approach would work in S7? I'd like to think so, but I fear things have gone too far south for that for a dramatic, impassioned approach by Martin to work.
Oh, I think it's gone too far, NewPark, too. (Although I would love to be surprised and proven wrong!). We know they had that type of passion in S3, when he admitted he loved her after the Holly episode. I think we can all imagine that about 2 seconds after he put her down from his hug, she was yanking him upstairs and he stayed the night.

Can they as a couple get to that type of point again?

Well, you know, I think it could have happened a bit like that, good passionate love, in E1 of S6. In fact, I think we were clearly lead to believe that exactly would have happened, a night of deep passion, before the chimney and etc.

But, after the rest of the dismal season, is it still in them as a couple. You know, sure, why not!

What do others think?
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Old 20-04-2015, 18:34
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Oh, I think it's gone too far, NewPark, too. (Although I would love to be surprised and proven wrong!). We know they had that type of passion in S3, when he admitted he loved her after the Holly episode. I think we can all imagine that about 2 seconds after he put her down from his hug, she was yanking him upstairs and he stayed the night.

Can they as a couple get to that type of point again?

Well, you know, I think it could have happened a bit like that, good passionate love, in E1 of S6. In fact, I think we were clearly lead to believe that exactly would have happened, a night of deep passion, before the chimney and etc.

But, after the rest of the dismal season, is it still in them as a couple. You know, sure, why not!

What do others think?
I've never really felt like there was....as you put it "crazy weasel sex" between these two. It's like they kept their feelings for each other bottled up and on occasion some of it spilled out suddenly making it seem impassioned, including the marriage proposal and also again when he rushed in just in time for the birth of JH. To some extent in the last two episodes--upon returning home to fetch the car keys after L's accident when he asked Michael to watch JH, and again when he and Penhale were rushing to the airport to stop the plane. Panic, passion, whatever it was makes you feel like something is there, but I don't feel the mad passionate love that others might between M and L.

The actors, producers and those who run this show often only give us a brief sense of something deeper which is good, but also very frustrating. AND it leaves a lot up to personal interpretation.
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Old 20-04-2015, 18:46
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Penhale is in far too many scenes, and I cringe anticipating that he will carry the comedy load.
I'm cringing too....I'm surprised they give Penhale as much as they do. It takes time and scenes away from the main characters of who we are most interested in. A little bit of the idiot here and there, but not overload.

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Old 20-04-2015, 20:59
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Lizzie -- the shots of Louisa that you refer to were from E2. So we still have no idea how much time elapsed between post-hospital and E1, or between E1 and E2 for that matter.

I believe that episodes are filmed in "blocks." That is, if they need Mrs. Tishell's shop in E1, E2, and E3, they try to get those done on the same day or two, so they are not constantly going in and re-dressing the set (which is in this case a real shop owned by somebody). So we could be seeing at random scenes from E1, 2 or 3, or however many episodes the block is.

By mad passion, by the way, I wasn't so much referring to whatever sexual passion is between them (pretty well hidden most of the time, I would say) but to a climactic declaration as in the endings of S4 and S5, with as much sex to follow as your imagination allows. I think the big declaration just won't cut it this time, nor should it.
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Old 20-04-2015, 21:27
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Oh, I think it's gone too far, NewPark, too. (Although I would love to be surprised and proven wrong!). We know they had that type of passion in S3, when he admitted he loved her after the Holly episode. I think we can all imagine that about 2 seconds after he put her down from his hug, she was yanking him upstairs and he stayed the night.

Can they as a couple get to that type of point again?

Well, you know, I think it could have happened a bit like that, good passionate love, in E1 of S6. In fact, I think we were clearly lead to believe that exactly would have happened, a night of deep passion, before the chimney and etc.

But, after the rest of the dismal season, is it still in them as a couple. You know, sure, why not!

What do others think?

I always thought that the scene on Louisa's balcony reflected the passion of their relationship. He looks into her eyes and kisses her...they then kiss again and it brings her up on her toes as "those feelings" emerge. His phone rings and she wonders if he can't just ignore it, obviously disappointed that their romantic interlude won't continue as he apologizes..."I'm sorry...I'm sorry.... Very hot.

Edith wants him in bed with her...and she wouldn't stand a pedestrian lover.

Then there is always the scene after the ultrasound that I laugh at a possible double entendre.... Edith: So tell me, and this shouldn't be hard to remember, just when did you have sex with Dr. Ellingham? I know she is probably belittling the number of times Martin and Louisa made love, but the "and this shouldn't be hard to remember" makes me think that his skills in bed are hard to forget. Probably not, but if it is this she intimates Martin has great skill as a lover.

This indicates quite the chemical attraction and passion they have together. That, and the fact we're a bunch of old ladies besotted with this man in reality makes it something that we want to believe. What I'd like to see in S7 is Martin, trying to change, wanting to woo Louisa back and her jumping on him, absolutely hungry for him and seducing the stuffing out of him. That probably wouldn't be hard to do if the time was right. I wrote a little fan ficlet where that happens, but he turns her down. The time and circumstances weren't right....and boy, Louisa got scared.
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Old 21-04-2015, 00:22
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over.

This indicates quite the chemical attraction and passion they have together. That, and the fact we're a bunch of old ladies besotted with this man in reality makes it something that we want to believe. What I'd like to see in S7 is Martin, trying to change, wanting to woo Louisa back and her jumping on him, absolutely hungry for him and seducing the stuffing out of him. That probably wouldn't be hard to do if the time was right. I wrote a little fan ficlet where that happens, but he turns her down. The time and circumstances weren't right....and boy, Louisa got scared.
Are you saying you are writing "Just a Glimpse?" If so, please get on with it -- dying for the next chapter.

Anyway, funny you should mention that scenario. I have wondered if, in order to keep things fresh, BP might try a scenario where Martin finally gets fed up with Louisa's waffling, and she's the one that has to make a dramatic last-minute conversion. (a la Rachel) Seems very unlikely, but on the other hand, I'd like to see her a bit scared of the prospect of losing Martin, and Martin standing up for himself with respect to her. I don't think their interminable bickering counts as standing up for himself.
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Old 21-04-2015, 01:18
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Oh, I think it's gone too far, NewPark, too. (Although I would love to be surprised and proven wrong!). We know they had that type of passion in S3, when he admitted he loved her after the Holly episode. I think we can all imagine that about 2 seconds after he put her down from his hug, she was yanking him upstairs and he stayed the night.

Can they as a couple get to that type of point again?

Well, you know, I think it could have happened a bit like that, good passionate love, in E1 of S6. In fact, I think we were clearly lead to believe that exactly would have happened, a night of deep passion, before the chimney and etc.

But, after the rest of the dismal season, is it still in them as a couple. You know, sure, why not!

What do others think?
Please don't flame me, but I think Louisa is suffering from something akin to the battered wife syndrome. BP's writes have punched her back and forth to play any role needed to highlight Martin Clunes' acting ability. Incompetent Louisa -- got her; sulking Louisa--got her; impatient Louisa--got her; not-understanding-Martin Louisa -- got her; insecure Louisa--got her; and so on. Whatever the writers wanted, Louisa was there. Could she still be so enamored of Martin after all the things she has gone through with him. I guess so, but to me she sometimes seems like a woman who needs serious counseling to determine why she puts up with all of it. She is like those battered woman who moan: "But I love him." Please give us a Louisa that we can respect like the smart teacher who sat across from Martin on the plane and said the truest words ever spoken: "You've got a problem."
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Old 21-04-2015, 16:17
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Are you saying you are writing "Just a Glimpse?" If so, please get on with it -- dying for the next chapter.

Anyway, funny you should mention that scenario. I have wondered if, in order to keep things fresh, BP might try a scenario where Martin finally gets fed up with Louisa's waffling, and she's the one that has to make a dramatic last-minute conversion. (a la Rachel) Seems very unlikely, but on the other hand, I'd like to see her a bit scared of the prospect of losing Martin, and Martin standing up for himself with respect to her. I don't think their interminable bickering counts as standing up for himself.
My story is called "Something to Think About". It's very short as I didn't want to make a commitment to a longer piece. Louisa certainly gets a jolt in it.
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Old 21-04-2015, 19:58
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Please don't flame me, but I think Louisa is suffering from something akin to the battered wife syndrome. BP's writes have punched her back and forth to play any role needed to highlight Martin Clunes' acting ability. Incompetent Louisa -- got her; sulking Louisa--got her; impatient Louisa--got her; not-understanding-Martin Louisa -- got her; insecure Louisa--got her; and so on. Whatever the writers wanted, Louisa was there. Could she still be so enamored of Martin after all the things she has gone through with him. I guess so, but to me she sometimes seems like a woman who needs serious counseling to determine why she puts up with all of it. She is like those battered woman who moan: "But I love him." Please give us a Louisa that we can respect like the smart teacher who sat across from Martin on the plane and said the truest words ever spoken: "You've got a problem."
Why would we flame you? I imagine almost all of us agree with you!

My only point (which I've made before) is that LG being who she is, no sense of humor, over-sensitive, abandonment issues, etc, caused DM to have more and more problems understanding her, and knowing what do so and do. He mentioned that several times; the discussion on his front patio early on when he is sweeping, when he says he doesn't know what to say as they always argue, and they have an argument. He says it again, in his office after LG invites him to Penhale's birthday party, and he agrees, and LG gets upset at his agreeing and he says he doesn't know what to say (to make her happy). And, we again hear him telling LG in E1 of S6 when they are walking in the woods that she cannot expect him to just assume he knows what she wants, she has to tell him, so he can then make her happy.

So, LG's personality, waffling, and issues, promoted DM's personality, waffling, and issues throughout the years. And then his personality, waffling and issues drove her crazy, and she starts acting worse, shrew, leaving him, etc. Sort of a relationship Catch-22.
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Old 21-04-2015, 21:34
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Exactly. Agree with you completely, but the fact of the matter is she CAUSES and brings upon herself some of these states she finds herself immersed in. It's frustrating when Martin tries to be nice or helpful and she blows it off. He is a pain in the ass...

Louisa: How about, "you look nice, Louisa"?

Martin: You always do.

Just back down and negotiate the waters differently.
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Old 22-04-2015, 14:15
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Please don't flame me, but I think Louisa is suffering from something akin to the battered wife syndrome. BP's writes have punched her back and forth to play any role needed to highlight Martin Clunes' acting ability. Incompetent Louisa -- got her; sulking Louisa--got her; impatient Louisa--got her; not-understanding-Martin Louisa -- got her; insecure Louisa--got her; and so on. Whatever the writers wanted, Louisa was there. Could she still be so enamored of Martin after all the things she has gone through with him. I guess so, but to me she sometimes seems like a woman who needs serious counseling to determine why she puts up with all of it. She is like those battered woman who moan: "But I love him." Please give us a Louisa that we can respect like the smart teacher who sat across from Martin on the plane and said the truest words ever spoken: "You've got a problem."
There's something else about what's going on with Louisa that's been bothering me. That is, she's very quick to think the worst of him (whilst defending him to others). For example, when he told her that Mike Pruddy had left, her reaction was. "what did you do to him." PArtially explained by the fact that he HAS so often disappointed her, but also, it's pretty clear that she doesn't know him as well as she thinks she does, and is quick to leap to conclusions.
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Old 22-04-2015, 16:20
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Saw some filming in PI today - it was a beautiful day to be outside this afternoon.

The below spoiler isn't really plot related, but I wasn't sure it had been mentioned before:

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Old 22-04-2015, 17:12
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Saw some filming in PI today - it was a beautiful day to be outside this afternoon.

The below spoiler isn't really plot related, but I wasn't sure it had been mentioned before:

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Oh my goodness, Mazzieblue, this IS news.

And welcome back. Great that you are in PI.
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Old 22-04-2015, 17:53
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Hello all, I haven't been here in a while, just lurking. Nice to be back. mazzieblue glad to see you're in PI. Did you see much filming? I remember your lovely pictures from last series filming. Will you be uploading some from today?
I was meant to go, but a family emergency meant I couldn't go last minute. A huge bummer.
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Old 22-04-2015, 18:23
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Hello all, I haven't been here in a while, just lurking. Nice to be back. mazzieblue glad to see you're in PI. Did you see much filming? I remember your lovely pictures from last series filming. Will you be uploading some from today?
I was meant to go, but a family emergency meant I couldn't go last minute. A huge bummer.
Just back from Port Isaac, but sadly never saw any filming.. but got nice photos of the lovely area, went to Delabole to see where the crew and actors live but didnt see much ...
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Old 23-04-2015, 00:19
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Just back from Port Isaac, but sadly never saw any filming.. but got nice photos of the lovely area, went to Delabole to see where the crew and actors live but didnt see much ...
That was my experience also in 2013. But had some great meals in Port Isaac.
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Old 23-04-2015, 02:28
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How much of past seasons were the fans collectively able to guess at based on filming photos, Twitter, firsthand recountings of fans in Port Isaac, etc? I know they are still in the early stages of filming, but how does this compare to other years in terms of spoilers and guessing story lines or plot points? Obviously, because we aren't privy to any of the interior scenes or the dialogue therein, we don't have the full picture. I guess I'm just curious how much we'll be able to piece together before the show airs.
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Old 23-04-2015, 12:52
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How much of past seasons were the fans collectively able to guess at based on filming photos, Twitter, firsthand recountings of fans in Port Isaac, etc? I know they are still in the early stages of filming, but how does this compare to other years in terms of spoilers and guessing story lines or plot points? Obviously, because we aren't privy to any of the interior scenes or the dialogue therein, we don't have the full picture. I guess I'm just curious how much we'll be able to piece together before the show airs.
Louisa's pregnancy was obvious before S4, but I don't remember knowing much more from filming per se -- publicity announcements told us about DM's new "love interest."

We knew that S5 would pick up shortly after S4 ended, b/c of a photo showing them both wearing the same clothes and carrying an infant. Someone was on a set during filming and reported back that they heard them arguing heatedly. Also, we knew well in advance that Louisa Jameson was going to play "the mother-in-law" from hell. And I think we knew that Julie Graham was going to have a role, but not what. MC told us, well before the first publicity interviews (as I remember) that they were going to try cohabiting --"disasterously" So we knew the general tone, but not a lot more.

In S6, we knew about the wedding, we knew they went through with it, we knew Mrs. Tishell was back, and that Claire Bloom had been spotted. Somewhere around August, MC blurted out in an interview "we haven't even decided if they'll stay married" which gave some of us, especially me, conniptions about the likely trajectory of S6 -- which turned out to be warranted. MC doesn't mislead.

So I would say that while shots from filming may give a bit of information about casting, and which characters were returning, and a lead on plot lines, the best source of info about what they were planning for the series turned out to be MC.

But others may remember this differently.
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Old 23-04-2015, 16:22
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I run a spoilers website on Facebook, "Doc Martin Spoilers & Discussion" I have found out a few spoilers on where the series is going if you would like to know. I have many pictures on there as well of filming etc.
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Old 23-04-2015, 20:51
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Louisa's pregnancy was obvious before S4, but I don't remember knowing much more from filming per se -- publicity announcements told us about DM's new "love interest."

We knew that S5 would pick up shortly after S4 ended, b/c of a photo showing them both wearing the same clothes and carrying an infant. Someone was on a set during filming and reported back that they heard them arguing heatedly. Also, we knew well in advance that Louisa Jameson was going to play "the mother-in-law" from hell. And I think we knew that Julie Graham was going to have a role, but not what. MC told us, well before the first publicity interviews (as I remember) that they were going to try cohabiting --"disasterously" So we knew the general tone, but not a lot more.

In S6, we knew about the wedding, we knew they went through with it, we knew Mrs. Tishell was back, and that Claire Bloom had been spotted. Somewhere around August, MC blurted out in an interview "we haven't even decided if they'll stay married" which gave some of us, especially me, conniptions about the likely trajectory of S6 -- which turned out to be warranted. MC doesn't mislead.

So I would say that while shots from filming may give a bit of information about casting, and which characters were returning, and a lead on plot lines, the best source of info about what they were planning for the series turned out to be MC.

But others may remember this differently.

I remember looking at all the pictures and spoilers that we had and figured out Louisa had a brain hemorrhage not related to her accident. I speculated aneurysm, but an AVM
Is in the same line of thought. It took a lot of cogitating but I was chuffed when it turned out I was right. Really fun
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Hello all, I haven't been here in a while, just lurking. Nice to be back. mazzieblue glad to see you're in PI. Did you see much filming? I remember your lovely pictures from last series filming. Will you be uploading some from today?
I was meant to go, but a family emergency meant I couldn't go last minute. A huge bummer.
I took a few photos and a small video I am hoping to upload soon.
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Martin views marriage as a "practicality".

Louisa views marriage with the eyes of a romantic.

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I took a few photos and a small video I am hoping to upload soon.
fantastic! I cannot wait! I have figured out a few things for this series, also came across a press release detailing a few plot lines. If anyone would like to see I can post them on here under spoiler tags. (I do not want to assume you want to know)
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Martin views marriage as a "practicality".

Louisa views marriage with the eyes of a romantic.

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Doesn't this describe all couples?
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Martin views marriage as a "practicality".

Louisa views marriage with the eyes of a romantic.

Discuss...
I've thought that both the non-wedding and the actual wedding were enormously steeped in high emotion and romance. I never saw Martin approaching it as a "practicality". If that were so I'm not sure they would have had a wedding...although Louisa would have wanted it. He just got so emotionally ill so quickly after the marriage it's hard to know how he feels about it. He certainly was affected when Louisa and James were leaving for Spain. I think he really is more of a romantic and sensitive soul than he gets credit for. After all, he's not a Vulcan.
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