[martine93]

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

their web site clearly shows the larger capacity, and looks to mention it first. They would be fools not too shout about it.

and the web site is wrong again

Our amazing 1TB TiVo box records around 500 hours of standard TV or around 100 hours of HD TV. The 500GB box is pretty special too, recording around 250 hours of standard TV or around 50 hours of HD TV

http://store.virginmedia.com/digital...oxes/tivo.html

1TB TiVo is actually 121 HD recording hours or 536 SD recording hours.

I also think the 500GB TiVo figures are wrong aswell.

[Deacon1972]

Originally Posted by martine93

and the web site is wrong again

http://store.virginmedia.com/digital...oxes/tivo.html

1TB TiVo is actually 121 HD recording hours or 536 SD recording hours.

I also think the 500GB TiVo figures are wrong aswell.

Pretty sure some will get more than the advertised recording capacity, some may get less, I suppose it depends what shows/channels are recorded as different bitrates will be used. Sky Sports will transmit at a higher bitrate than Dave HD. Probably why they word it saying "records around 500 hrs SD and 100 hrs HD".

[Deacon1972]

Originally Posted by Technix

As promised here is the link from January:

http://corporate.sky.com/media/press...ncreased_reach

Only 1 million homes are connected and today's announcement says they've still only surpassed 1m connected boxes 7 months on. This repesents only 10% of their customer base compared to Virgin's 100%. It's highly unlikely that all of the 10% connected their STB with Sky's £60 rip-off wireless sender.

Here's a more up to date representation, 1.8m now connected, that's about 38% of Anytime compatible stb's.

http://www.skymedia.co.uk/Audience-I...dashboard.aspx

Your 10% figure is wrong anyway, it should have been 20% - Sky have approx 10m customers, not all stb's can receive Anytime, only HD boxes can which make up 50% of their customer base.

Anytime is the fastest growing BB based on demand service in history.

Still no idea on how many are connected wirelessly, but that's a mute point really because the uptake is huge regardless of whether some customers are paying extra or not. I reckon the surge is due to Sky opening up the service to third party isp's.

[real world]

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

Here's a more up to date representation, 1.8m now connected, that's about 38% of Anytime compatible stb's.

http://www.skymedia.co.uk/Audience-I...dashboard.aspx

Your 10% figure is wrong anyway, it should have been 20% - Sky have approx 10m customers, not all stb's can receive Anytime, only HD boxes can which make up 50% of their customer base.

Anytime is the fastest growing BB based on demand service in history.

Still no idea on how many are connected wirelessly, but that's a mute point really because the uptake is huge regardless of whether some customers are paying extra or not. I reckon the surge is due to Sky opening up the service to third party isp's.

I said I wouldn't post in this thread again, however your posts have prompted me to ask the question, what is your point and why are you continually posting in this section when you are a Sky customer??

BTW, VM are growing their TV customer base faster than Sky who spend 10 times as much on advertising and have double the footprint in terms of potential customers.

If you read analysts reports,you would soon see what Sky concerns are!

Nasdaq Quote:

Virgin Media, BSkyB's main rival in TV and broadband, has raised the bar with the launch of its combined Internet television and broadband on-demand platform powered by U.S. firm TiVo Inc.'s (TIVO) set-top home entertainment box.

Virgin Media on Tuesday reported strong customer demand for TiVo, with around a fifth of its 4.8 million cable customers moving onto TiVo since its launch more than a year ago.

[Deacon1972]

Originally Posted by real world

I said I wouldn't post in this thread again, however your posts have prompted me to ask the question, what is your point and why are you continually posting in this section when you are a Sky customer??

Reasoned debate, have you a problem with that?

Originally Posted by real world

BTW, VM are growing their TV customer base faster than Sky who spend 10 times as much on advertising and have double the footprint in terms of potential customers.

If you read analysts reports,you would soon see what Sky concerns are!

Nasdaq Quote:

Virgin Media, BSkyB's main rival in TV and broadband, has raised the bar with the launch of its combined Internet television and broadband on-demand platform powered by U.S. firm TiVo Inc.'s (TIVO) set-top home entertainment box.

Virgin Media on Tuesday reported strong customer demand for TiVo, with around a fifth of its 4.8 million cable customers moving onto TiVo since its launch more than a year ago.

Don't know why you felt the need to post all that, it has nothing to do with what I have been discussing.

[Technix]

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

Some of the new features may make my viewing easier, but as I said earlier, it's no good having all the bells and whistles included if the stb can't do the basics, IMO the sky box can, it has a DEPG and more than double the recording space.

Not double for SD recording.

It would be inadiquate as your main box as it couldn't run at your Tivo's capacity of 70%, so why did you upgrade to TiVo.

It's only at 70% because like I said earlier I haven't deleted much of the watched shows which are taking up the majority of the space. Apart from the extra recording there was Wishlists, proper series linking, 3 recordable tuners among many other reasons. If the V+ was inadequate I wouldn't have kept it or would have upgraded it to another TiVo which at that time wouldn't have cost me another TiVo fee.

Even Virgin have admitted the capacity on V+ boxes is abysmal.

Care to provide a link?

The shows were just an example of how I use the box, they are not the only shows recorded, I have about another eight complete shows on there plus movies, total hours about 170, TiVo would have left me 70 hrs short. I would need two TiVo boxes just for my recordings.

PVRs are not meant for permanent savings of recordings. The TiVo and V+ may not be suitable for your individual needs but both are fit for purpose. If I like a show I've watched I'll buy the DVD or Bluray and have it at my disposal advert and subscription free.

Once TiVo has a DEPG and uses MPEG4 technology on live channels it will be on a level with my sky box IMO, basically because those are the most important aspects of a stb for me, reliable recording and decent recording capacity. Yes TiVo will be ideal for others regardless of whether TiVo has a DEPG or uses MPEG4 technology, but the way I use my box a TiVo would not be suitable for my needs.

Both of which the TiVo provides.

So long as you are happy with what you have and I'm happy with what I have that's all that matters.

Can agree with that, but then I'm not one to go into the Sky forums and list my complaints of the services I had with them. Even their recent offer of 6 Months free Sky World (potentially money saving compared to VM) wasn't tempting enough for me to return to them.

[Technix]

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

Here's a more up to date representation, 1.8m now connected, that's about 38% of Anytime compatible stb's.

http://www.skymedia.co.uk/Audience-I...dashboard.aspx

That's dated April 2012, on their quarterly press release from last week they stated it had "surpassed 1m" which sounds like many have disconnected.

Anytime is the fastest growing BB based on demand service in history.

Bit of a bold claim, not seen this mentioned before. Is there a source for it?

Your 10% figure is wrong anyway, it should have been 20% - Sky have approx 10m customers, not all stb's can receive Anytime, only HD boxes can which make up 50% of their customer base.

How exactly was the 10% figure wrong? I stated 10% of their customer base, not HD base, had Anytime+ according to their January press release. I was talking about reach, not capability, so my 10% figure was in fact correct.

Talking now about capability, the HD base will likely be comprised of a large amount of first generation Thomson Sky+HD as well as a lower amount of the non-PVR HD boxes, both of which are incapable of receiving Anytime+ so you may want to fix that 50% figure of yours. The incapable boxes, extra costs, fiddling around and poor service on low BB lines will affect how many more wish to connect and we'll never see the reach get to 100% of the HD base like in VM's HD base.

[Deacon1972]

Originally Posted by Technix

Not double for SD recording.

I'm referring to HD as 99% of my viewing is in HD.

Originally Posted by Technix

It's only at 70% because like I said earlier I haven't deleted much of the watched shows which are taking up the majority of the space. Apart from the extra recording there was Wishlists, proper series linking, 3 recordable tuners among many other reasons. If the V+ was inadequate I wouldn't have kept it or would have upgraded it to another TiVo which at that time wouldn't have cost me another TiVo fee.

So you have 60+ hrs of undeleted content on your box, one thing for sure, you couldn't have done that on V+.

Wouldn't mind three tuners on my box, there have been occasions where it would come in handy, tbis is where repeats come in handy.

Originally Posted by Technix

Care to provide a link?

How times have changed. Virgin have added a host of HD channels over the last 18 months and currently have 31 HD channels available, with 19 of them available on the XL pack. All of a sudden, that 160Gb Hard Drive in the V+ HD box looked ridiculously small as far as recording space was concerned, capable of holding a mere 20 hours of HD content.

http://virgintivo.blogspot.co.uk/p/t...iewed.html?m=1

Originally Posted by Technix

PVRs are not meant for permanent savings of recordings. The TiVo and V+ may not be suitable for your individual needs but both are fit for purpose. If I like a show I've watched I'll buy the DVD or Bluray and have it at my disposal advert and subscription free.

Recordings are not saved permanently, just stacked up and watched when I have a complete season to watch. Only buy movies I like not TV shows.

Originally Posted by Technix

Both of which the TiVo provides.

Not in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Technix

Can agree with that, but then I'm not one to go into the Sky forums and list my complaints of the services I had with them. Even their recent offer of 6 Months free Sky World (potentially money saving compared to VM) wasn't tempting enough for me to return to them.

Haven't come here to list my complaints, just to have a reasonable discussion.

Why did you leave Sky?

[Deacon1972]

Originally Posted by Technix

That's dated April 2012, on their quarterly press release from last week they stated it had "surpassed 1m" which sounds like many have disconnected.



Bit of a bold claim, not seen this mentioned before. Is there a source for it?

Not looked at it to be honest, I'm using my iPhone and the dashboard looks to be flash player so won't open, will look at it tomorrow on the lap top.

Originally Posted by Technix

How exactly was the 10% figure wrong? I stated 10% of their customer base, not HD base, had Anytime+ according to their January press release. I was talking about reach, not capability, so my 10% figure was in fact correct.

If half of the customer base can't receive the service your 10% is not a realistic figure. Surely the percentage has to be taken from the customer base that have compatible boxes.

Originally Posted by Technix

Talking now about capability, the HD base will likely be comprised of a large amount of first generation Thomson Sky+HD as well as a lower amount of the non-PVR HD boxes, both of which are incapable of receiving Anytime+ so you may want to fix that 50% figure of yours. The incapable boxes, extra costs, fiddling around and poor service on low BB lines will affect how many more wish to connect and we'll never see the reach get to 100% of the HD base like in VM's HD base.

Don't know the exact figure but Sky did a big swap out for Thomson boxes, I wouldn't have thought there was a large amount left.

Agree, I doubt it will ever reach 100%, but there's still plenty of growth left as it's only 2 yrs old, once the BBC iplayer and other on demand players are up and running I reckon there will be another surge.

[WellyTest]

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

Original Sky HD box - 6yrs old and cost £299 - uses MPEG4 technology (recordable live HD channels) and has DEPG.

Tivo box - 6yrs old will have cost £360 - uses MPEG2 technology (recordable live HD channels) and has no DEPG.


Have you heard of Sky fibre?

Funny Tivo didn't cost anything and if you are saying that sky Hd box is better experts in the field say very much different.

[Deacon1972]

Originally Posted by WellyTest

Funny Tivo didn't cost anything......

Sky HD is also available free of charge - Hardly overpriced.

Originally Posted by WellyTest

and if you are saying that sky Hd box is better experts in the field say very much different.

Really?

Verdict:

Will it keep the TiVo fans and television nuts happy? Yes. Is it the most powerful box on the market? Yes. But is it better than Sky's flagship 1TB Sky+ HD box? Not yet. And it won't be until it's given a much needed polish.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...articleContent

I'm sure you'll find one that says the opposite - but from my perspective TiVo loses out in two areas compared to my Sky box, that's not to say it's a bad box, it's just not suited for my needs.

At the end of the day it's just an opinion.

[MojoMaster]

So, in conclusion I think we are all in agreement that Sky HD is better than Tivo.

[dannylau]

Originally Posted by MojoMaster

So, in conclusion I think we are all in agreement that Sky HD is better than Tivo.

Tivo is much better than Sky HD and I've owned both

[GARETH197901]

Originally Posted by MojoMaster

So, in conclusion I think we are all in agreement that Sky HD is better than Tivo.

No we aren't all in agreement that Sky HD is better than Tivo

we all have different opinions,so why try to put words into peoples mouth's

[Technix]

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

So you have 60+ hrs of undeleted content on your box, one thing for sure, you couldn't have done that on V+.

They're just an accumulation of recordings from the past year, still there because I've not yet needed to delete them nor do I have the desire to watch them again. I made do with the V+ when it was on the main TV and I still have no problems with it. It's not like VM provided it to me on false pretenses, I knew what it was capable of and so would others who had it installed.

How times have changed. Virgin have added a host of HD channels over the last 18 months and currently have 31 HD channels available, with 19 of them available on the XL pack. All of a sudden, that 160Gb Hard Drive in the V+ HD box looked ridiculously small as far as recording space was concerned, capable of holding a mere 20 hours of HD content.

http://virgintivo.blogspot.co.uk/p/t...iewed.html?m=1

That's not a VM website or statement - they have never, as you claimed, referred to the V+ as being "abysmal".

Not in my opinion

That's hardly worth anything when you have no experience of the TiVo yourself.

Why did you leave Sky?

I think I'll list the reasons in the Sky forum when the opportunity arises, seems fair.