Do you think we are ever going to win it again in our lifetime??
scoobiesnacks
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Like most of you I'd really like to watch us win it one day.
Ok so its not the most important thing in the world, but every year I have high hopes for us and they are dashed.
If I have watched us win before, its actually faded from memory now its so long back.
BBC process, for what it is, always seems to come up with a song that falls well short of what Europe likes.
No political nonsense in this thread please, the top songs were all better than us on the night, fair and square.
Recent years, very little seems to be going our way, but I think its of our own making.
Ok so its not the most important thing in the world, but every year I have high hopes for us and they are dashed.
If I have watched us win before, its actually faded from memory now its so long back.
BBC process, for what it is, always seems to come up with a song that falls well short of what Europe likes.
No political nonsense in this thread please, the top songs were all better than us on the night, fair and square.
Recent years, very little seems to be going our way, but I think its of our own making.
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I honestly thought we had a good chance of being in the top half this year as it was one of the favourites, but we didn't. I don't really understand why we did badly again or what it is we can do to make us stay successful again.
Maybe part of the problem is over-inflated expectations based on results achieved in an era which isn't really comparable (for this and other reasons).
thats a very good point. But our songs still aren't good enough
Will pay £310K apparently. Thats peanuts
Find a gem of a song and vocal and get it released and promoted good and early if it's that good it won't matter how it does at Eurovision because it will already be a hit Eurovision song before the Saturday final.
Lastly the UK really need to watch how their songs are staged-Molly's stageing was very,very poor.Her dress was all wrong especially-just my opinion but I think maybe that one little factor badly affected Molly on stage..she was not confident so she was not relaxed.
The UK can win just need a corker of a vocal and a gem of a song add strong staging and it can win.
It probably wouldn't work, but I wonder. Could a slow unaccompanied ballad in the middle of all the other razzmatazz deliver that wow factor and get us noticed?
They been to open the selection process up a bit, not a huge great show but following some behind the scenes pre-selection, maybe one or two artists each presenting 2 or three of their songs followed by a public vote. I wouldn't even mind if it was all done online with the songs on the red-button as well.
I suspect part of the problem is that if a singer or writer does feel they have a number 1 hit, they will do just that with it and not spend it on Eurovision. So we tend to get either newcomers who need the publicity and having no reputation to lose, or singers so established they are past it. It would be good if we could find some way to motivate everyone. One idea might be to surrender our automatic place in the final, and give the money saved to which ever singer/writer we send, regardless of whether they win.
There's no doubt we have the talent to get in the top 5 in Eurovision, and if we can do that we can win.
There are thousands of acts out there who would kill for a chance to represent their country - all this rubbish I read about Geri Halliwell and the like is just not necessary
Europe knows that we have a strong musical scene, it appears that we hadn't been aware of it ourselves in the past!
They found a good "eurovision-type" song written by globally well known songwriters, then had extremely talented unknown singer/performer and then proceeded to market the hell out of this combination and pimped Jade (and Andrew Lloyd-Webber) out to every Eurovision outlet that we felt we might have a chance swaying over.
The result was a decent 5th place & a respectable 173 points.
The Uk have been CLUELESS about staging since 1998. When you look at the winners from 2011/2012/2013/2014 they have all had fantastic IMAGINATIVE staging, and that WOW factor.
Look at Blue in 2011..the staging was cheap and tacky, horrible green neon lighting and cheap suits..and that killed any chance (never mind the dodgy jury performance)
The BBC really dont seem to have anyone who knows how to stage a song.
The main reason Molly did badly was because it was an Indie song, but the bad staging emphasised how generic it was with the henna tattoes, the stupid dress, and the manic drumming...plus the blue backdrop was the same used by Belgium, and that hadnt worked..as what did flowers on a blue backdrop have to do with the song?
Contrast that to Austria with the imaginative phoenix from the flames staging, and we were 4th division by comparison.
Its almost like the BBC staging is a school 'O' level project..and it wouldnt even get a grade B....the pyrotechnics were totally wasted.I kept hearing about the pyrotechnics all week, and they were a waste of time, as they added nothing to the song.
clueless. On every level.
We had a decent enough song this year and the BBC's approach was definitely a step in the right direction but the support Molly actually seemed to receive outside of Eurovision fan bases was virtually non-existent as far as I could see. The first time most people heard the song was when she performed it on Graham Norton ONE WEEK before the final (even though it had been out there for two months already) and they were already posting such amazing witticisms as 'oh well, nul points again' on social media before she had even finished the first verse.
The fact that I had people on my Facebook feed on Saturday night saying things like 'What's this Netherlands entry doing in Eurovision, it's a good song....' (er, because it's a music competition?) just shows you the perception the vast majority of people have about the contest in this country.
So in answer to your question yes, we probably can win it again. But it's not the process of choosing the song which has to change, it's the public's attitude, otherwise this will just keep on happening year after year.
The UK people have a negative feeling towards Eurovision so we need to get them in love with the song before the rest of Europe does.