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Let's diagnose what's went wrong

Right guys, so we didn't do very well last night, but were the issues that contributed to our lousy performance.

I'm going to not talk about the quality of the song as music is very subjective as I know some people who love the song but some who hate it.

My reasons for it are

We got swept away with a lot of other upbeat songs at the very start.
The female singer seemed either very nervous or ill.
The staging was good, but the camera didn't show it off at all. Everything was a long shot, we should have been up close when it was glow in the dark time.
There seemed to be no buzz at all, and buzz is most definitely manufactured at places like this.
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    rorybbrorybb Posts: 3,220
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    The choice of act was odd to say the least.
    The glow in the dark part looked very silly.
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    starrystarry Posts: 12,434
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    Not just the camerawork, I didn't think the staging was good too, it's always amateur with the BBC. Other shows had all kinds of lighting and interesting backdrop screens. There was just some clunky art deco scenery on the UK one. The BBC, as for so long, continues to be stuck in the past. They don't have the ability to modernise and become professional in staging and performance, even at times in song selection. It's not going to change, it's been like this for years and the people in charge perpetuate it.
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    jonapovajonapova Posts: 621
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    The vocals weren't very good.
    It wasn't a song you could sing a long too.
    There wasn't a catchy chorus.
    They didn't capitalise on the light up suits - the crowd cheered when they lit up.. Why wasn't there a good dance to go a long with it?
    Didn't feel very energetic
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    DogmatixDogmatix Posts: 2,292
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    I'm going to not talk about the quality of the song as music is very subjective as I know some people who love the song but some who hate it.
    It's going to be very difficult to analyse what went "wrong" without taking into account that it was a lousy entry, especially for a stage with only 6 people allowed. Too many changes had to be made for it to succeed.
    I know some people who love the song but some who hate it.
    Most of Europe, it would seem.
    My reasons for it are

    We got swept away with a lot of other upbeat songs at the very start.
    The female singer seemed either very nervous or ill.
    The staging was good, but the camera didn't show it off at all. Everything was a long shot, we should have been up close when it was glow in the dark time.
    There seemed to be no buzz at all, and buzz is most definitely manufactured at places like this.
    Yup... blame the competition, the singer's nerves, the camerawork, the buzzlessness.... but the song?
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    DebDynamiteDebDynamite Posts: 74
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    When I heard the song first I thought it was absolute pants, but then it really grew on me. I thought it would bring a bit of fun on the night, especially as we knew it was one of the few uptempo numbers.

    But it didn't seem to bring any fun at all on the night!! The performance was just so wooden and static. Bianca just looked so akward as well. It was instantly forgettable.
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    rorybbrorybb Posts: 3,220
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    Aside from the music , the lyrics of the song were nonsensical and at times sounded extremely awkward. Especially "Make sure you stay warm dear , in case there's a storm dear" , it just doesn't flow very well. Also the "You're bound to get sneezes or nasty diseases" , just very very odd
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    velixavelixa Posts: 497
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    Performance would not have mattered.

    Music is subjective but if it is not strong enough for our own charts is would definitely not be strong enough for Eurovision.

    But you are right about the performance. There was a lack of visual energy, especially from the woman. If you are going to perform a fun novelty song you need to just go for it. The man wasn't too bad.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 290
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    I think the issue with our stagers isn't that they are stuck in the past, its just that they struggle with the rules.

    I'd have a good guess our stagers come from other BBC or ITV shows where to make something big they just throw a hundred odd dancers on stage whereas in Eurovision it's just six and they simply don't know how to stage something epic with that amount of people.

    I'd try and hire a foreign stager who has done well in the past, or maybe even a music video director as Azerbaijan have done a few times iirc.
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    Scarlett BerryScarlett Berry Posts: 21,135
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    I didn't mind the song but the performance wasn't good.Is the lady vocalist pregnant:confused:
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    Patent PendingPatent Pending Posts: 140
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    jonapova wrote: »
    The vocals weren't very good.
    It wasn't a song you could sing a long too.
    There wasn't a catchy chorus.
    They didn't capitalise on the light up suits - the crowd cheered when they lit up.. Why wasn't there a good dance to go a long with it?
    Didn't feel very energetic

    I thought it was odd when the clothes lights came on because it seemed like they (the singers) stopped moving. Like if the so much as turned the batteries would fall out. LOL!

    Afterwards Norton said there were some problems in rehearsal.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11
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    The song was kind of catchy - although the lyrics were terrible. But if you put the actual quality and merits of the song to one side, I'd say that the whole production and performance looked embarrassingly amateur.

    The video in the Cafe de Paris worked because it was stuffed full of dancers - I knew that just 6 people on that huge stage would look stranded and it wouldn't work at all. And that turned out to be precisely the case.

    A tongue-in-cheek novelty song like that requires performers with both acting ability, charisma and chemistry between them. Unfortunately neither of the singers had any of these qualities. They looked incredibly stiff, awkward and amateurish.

    It's amazing how many times an inexperienced performer has been chosen to represent the UK. And the inevitable result is that the pressure and nerves get the better of them and their singing and confidence evaporates. That certainly looked like what happened last night.
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    pmw_hewittpmw_hewitt Posts: 1,193
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    I'm genuinely of the belief that the BBC have no desire whatsoever to win Eurovision - as far as they're concerned it's expensive enough funding it letting alone hosting it as well. It's not *that* difficult to win on paper, end up with something catchy - both musically and on the eye - and hope that the stars align. We'll never, ever win Eurovision again until the BBC actually tries.

    Another problem is culture. I don't believe that the voting is "tactical", but there is an element of people voting for what they know and understand. If Ireland and Malta, who are always the friendliest to the UK, couldn't bring themselves to give us more than a point and Australia couldn't even give us a solitary point, I think the only conclusion you can make is that the song wasn't good enough. Hence, to stand a chance we need to stop trying to utilise our "Britishness", but instead try and attract the Belarussians and the Montenegrins just as much as the Irish.

    There are composers out there who specialise in writing for Eurovision, and I'm of the belief that if you can't beat them, join them! Why not get one or two of them in? It goes back to the idea that the BBC have no intention of winning.
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    Patent PendingPatent Pending Posts: 140
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    Let's send an experienced person then, like Engelbert Humperdinck, no wait.... Bonnie Tyler, uh hang on...
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    Patent PendingPatent Pending Posts: 140
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    Europe seems to like songs that can be belted out, not songs that are "talked" through. We should start there.
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    AliceyAlicey Posts: 5,294
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    I've given up caring what the UK send anymore. The BBC are not going to change. Internally selecting a Mick Jagger impersonator and someone who couldn't get past the first round in The Voice with a rip off of the Birdseye Potato Waffle Advert jingle was the final nail in the coffin.
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    david1956david1956 Posts: 2,389
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    starry wrote: »
    Not just the camerawork, I didn't think the staging was good too, it's always amateur with the BBC. Other shows had all kinds of lighting and interesting backdrop screens. There was just some clunky art deco scenery on the UK one. The BBC, as for so long, continues to be stuck in the past. They don't have the ability to modernise and become professional in staging and performance, even at times in song selection. It's not going to change, it's been like this for years and the people in charge perpetuate it.

    What are you talking about? This wasn't a BBC production.
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    Cestrian18Cestrian18 Posts: 6,861
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    david1956 wrote: »
    What are you talking about? This wasn't a BBC production.

    The delegation have final say over the staging, Camera Angles, whats used in the recaps etc.... so the song itself is very much a BBC production even if the show isn't
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    s_mirages_mirage Posts: 643
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    It was a pretty crap song, simple as. The performance wasn't bad but it and the staging were lacking in anything that could push a mediocre song to greater heights.
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    mysty211mysty211 Posts: 4,935
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    The song was awful still trying to figure out how in the world it was chosen one of the worst songs representing. They looked awkward on stage something , the lady's dress was horrible. I think I'd go as far as saying even Daz Simpson was better than this.
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    cherubmattdcherubmattd Posts: 13,239
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    Bad song. Terrible performance. Non-photogenic singers. Cringey addition of 'DANCE!' at the beginning. Lack of promotion. Some bad camera angles.

    Any more?
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    chrono88chrono88 Posts: 3,045
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    The song was alright but:

    1. Poor singing
    2. Lack of Chemistry
    3. Annoying DANCE DANCE DANCE in the background
    4. poor running order
    5. Nothing to WOW the audience (apart from the LED dress)
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    .:Tom:..:Tom:. Posts: 496
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    Everything. I think I even heard the crowd laughing. My friends visibly cringed throughout, particularly at the bit where he says 'Oh yes'. We were literally a laughing stock last night.
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    HeavySaurusHeavySaurus Posts: 4,767
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    Aside from the lyrics being total bollocks, what could have had nice, cheery potential was completely let down by the performance. They both looked like they weren't really all that bothered and just wanted to get it over with. They didn't look like they were enjoying themselves or having any fun. There's really no excuse for being so limp and awkward on stage when your song is that upbeat and dancey. If they weren't going to be comfortable having some fun on stage maybe they should've done a sad ballad.

    But, I am thoroughly impressed that the UK, as one of two English speaking countries in the final, had the shittest lyrics of the night.
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    HitstasticHitstastic Posts: 8,634
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    It all went wrong after the final of The Voice when we were told to hit the red button to hear the UK's Eurovision entry.

    It was never going to get better after that. On first listen my eyes nearly popped out of my head I was that shocked at how bad the UK entry was.
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    roverboy1965roverboy1965 Posts: 1,679
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    All the above really, except for to last few years we have been monumentally unpopular around the world (second only to the USA I'd say) with our warmongering car crash foreign policy of starting wars and uprisings and then pull out leaving chaos and countries in a worst state than before (Libya and Iraq)

    And now with us meddling in Syria (it's an open secret special forces are there fighting) and the Ukraine is it any wonder countries express their displeasure at voting time.

    As for Russia, by the voting for them (especially by Eastern European countries), they may not be as unpopular as our government likes (and us) to think they are over Ukraine and Crimea.
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