Am just about to start reading Mantel's Bring up the Bodies. At the beginning are a couple of family trees: one of the Tudors (mentions how Henry VII derived his claim to the throne from Margaret Beaufort) and the other about Henry VIII's rivals from the House of York - it seems that a few of George Duke of Clarence's and Edward IV's nieces/grandchildren etc are going to be in it.
This all makes so much more sense to me now that I've watched this show and done some research on the Wars in between reading Wolf Hall and this sequel. It just seemed to work out that way - good timing though!
Gety! Loving the white queen. Suprisingly, Margaret Beaufort is quickly becoming a firm favourite of mine!! After Awesome Jacquetta, Maggie has grown on me after marrying her new Hubble. Love how they walk around plotting and scheming! Oh and the "DONT TOUCH MY BIBLE" scene was absolutely Hilarious!!!
I'm really hoping another series will happen, not 'the white queen' obviously but a continuation. There's still Elizabeth of York to explore (and Philippa Gregory's next book is about Margaret Pole).
I thought there were already enough sex scenes in the BBC version and that it's already too chick lit-like - don't really need to see 'anymore' of any of the characters to be honest. I don't miss scenes such as those apparently in the US version. I was actually glad when Edward finally popped his clogs so we didn't have to see anymore of him and Elizabeth all over each other and saying soppy things to each other. My interest lies much more in the political discussions and scheming.
I won't say what it is but I have read a sentence in a preview of tonight's ep which makes me think this thread's going to crash from indignation later. :eek:
I won't say what it is but I have read a sentence in a preview of tonight's ep which makes me think this thread's going to crash from indignation later. :eek:
I was intrigued....so I'v had a quick peek myself...I think I know which comment you are referring to!!
I won't say what it is but I have read a sentence in a preview of tonight's ep which makes me think this thread's going to crash from indignation later. :eek:
I know as well, I read the preview....not looking forward to that particular part. But we'll see, maybe it wont be so bad.
I won't say what it is but I have read a sentence in a preview of tonight's ep which makes me think this thread's going to crash from indignation later. :eek:
I remember reading at some point that Henry was considering finding a way to make his illegitimate son heir, the Duke of Richmond. So, I wonder how that would have worked out if he never had a legitimate son and Richmond hadn't died young. We know the lengths he went to to get rid of Catherine to marry Anne Boleyn.
As Henry grew old and his health complicated, he became very dangerous. He executed the Duke of Buckingham as early as 1521 for having too much Plantagenet blood in his veins. If we believe Tudor written history, Edward Stafford, was in conspiracy against him, but that begins the bloodlust of Henry VIII.
I bring that up because Henry VIII would have never been satisfied with one son. His own brother dying before him was reason enough. Even in Henry VIII's reign, the Tudors sat a shaky throne. The Duke of Richmond was a bastard child. I doubt that England would have stood for that. There would have been rebellions. Henry was sharp enough to see that. Even when he executed his wives, he was careful to mold public opinion in his favor.... example, Anne Boleyn committing incest with her brother....another unproven accusation.
I doubt it would have changed things. Disease had polluted Henry VII by the 1530s.
Ok ignore Edward and Richard.
I do still think they both didn't live to see 20 though
There is good reason to think Richard may have lived and escaped to Flanders. It is possible that he made a bid for the throne in Perkin Warbeck in the 1490s. The Tudors wrote the history and it would have been their interest in making Richard look like a full imposter. We do know that Henry VII was quick to execute him and his supposed aunt, Margaret of Burgundy, who supported the claim.
The Tudors, like all dynasties, are liars as not to have their family tarnished. Never forget, Henry VII was a very clever and ruthless man.
Her awfulness shines like a beacon, utterly contemptible excuse for a writer, this thread has pointed me to far better books on the subject, PG is such a poor excuse for a writer
I read one that came with our newspaper. I hadn't read the one posted here before but that's much more detailed and even more bizarre than the bit I read!
Ok now am intrigued what you going on about can you place it in a spoiler please.
Now, there are a few parts in tonight's episode that are sure to elicit a WTF reaction.
Fearful of enemies, the new King Richard III honours those who he feels are loyal to him: Brackenbury, Buckingham and Stanley. Still not convinced that Elizabeth’s threat has gone away, Anne secretly talks to Brackenbury behind her husband’s back, wishing the Princes in the Tower dead.
When Elizabeth hears a rumour that her boys in the tower are dead Elizabeth realises her daughter was right, and that Margaret, with her kinsman Buckingham, had most reason to kill them. She and Princess Lizzie use magic to flood the country, and scotch Margaret’s uprising and her son, Henry Tudor’s, invasion.
Having worked out who his real enemies are, he visits Elizabeth and expresses that he has feelings for her daughter (as in, his neice, ew), Princess Elizabeth. The Princess, still betrothed to Henry Tudor, complains to her mother that she doesn’t want to be forced into marriage for political ends.
Now, there are a few parts in tonight's episode that are sure to elicit a WTF reaction.
Fearful of enemies, the new King Richard III honours those who he feels are loyal to him: Brackenbury, Buckingham and Stanley. Still not convinced that Elizabeth’s threat has gone away, Anne secretly talks to Brackenbury behind her husband’s back, wishing the Princes in the Tower dead.
When Elizabeth hears a rumour that her boys in the tower are dead Elizabeth realises her daughter was right, and that Margaret, with her kinsman Buckingham, had most reason to kill them. She and Princess Lizzie use magic to flood the country, and scotch Margaret’s uprising and her son, Henry Tudor’s, invasion.
Having worked out who his real enemies are, he visits Elizabeth and expresses that he has feelings for her daughter, Princess Elizabeth. The Princess, still betrothed to Henry Tudor, complains to her mother that she doesn’t want to be forced into marriage for political ends.
BIB is my particular fav.
Wow ok wtf am even more intrigued to see this play out now thanks for that.
There is good reason to think Richard may have lived and escaped to Flanders. It is possible that he made a bid for the throne in Perkin Warbeck in the 1490s. The Tudors wrote the history and it would have been their interest in making Richard look like a full imposter. We do know that Henry VII was quick to execute him and his supposed aunt, Margaret of Burgundy, who supported the claim.
The Tudors, like all dynasties, are liars as not to have their family tarnished. Never forget, Henry VII was a very clever and ruthless man.
I read one that came with our newspaper. I hadn't read the one posted here before but that's much more detailed and even more bizarre than the bit I read!
All part of the fun.
This series is soooooo much better for having this thread to pull it apart
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This all makes so much more sense to me now that I've watched this show and done some research on the Wars in between reading Wolf Hall and this sequel. It just seemed to work out that way - good timing though!
Ok ignore Edward and Richard.
I do still think they both didn't live to see 20 though
Don't know why the BBC cut the nudity.
http://www.starz.com/thewhitequeen/videos#/watch-the-premiere-episode-of-the-white-queen-for-free
I thought there were already enough sex scenes in the BBC version and that it's already too chick lit-like - don't really need to see 'anymore' of any of the characters to be honest.
I was intrigued....so I'v had a quick peek myself...I think I know which comment you are referring to!!
I know as well, I read the preview....not looking forward to that particular part. But we'll see, maybe it wont be so bad.
Indeed. It sounds utterly absurd and ridiculous!
This is the one I read:
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/80242585.html
:rolleyes:
As Henry grew old and his health complicated, he became very dangerous. He executed the Duke of Buckingham as early as 1521 for having too much Plantagenet blood in his veins. If we believe Tudor written history, Edward Stafford, was in conspiracy against him, but that begins the bloodlust of Henry VIII.
I bring that up because Henry VIII would have never been satisfied with one son. His own brother dying before him was reason enough. Even in Henry VIII's reign, the Tudors sat a shaky throne. The Duke of Richmond was a bastard child. I doubt that England would have stood for that. There would have been rebellions. Henry was sharp enough to see that. Even when he executed his wives, he was careful to mold public opinion in his favor.... example, Anne Boleyn committing incest with her brother....another unproven accusation.
I doubt it would have changed things. Disease had polluted Henry VII by the 1530s.
There is good reason to think Richard may have lived and escaped to Flanders. It is possible that he made a bid for the throne in Perkin Warbeck in the 1490s. The Tudors wrote the history and it would have been their interest in making Richard look like a full imposter. We do know that Henry VII was quick to execute him and his supposed aunt, Margaret of Burgundy, who supported the claim.
The Tudors, like all dynasties, are liars as not to have their family tarnished. Never forget, Henry VII was a very clever and ruthless man.
Her awfulness shines like a beacon, utterly contemptible excuse for a writer, this thread has pointed me to far better books on the subject, PG is such a poor excuse for a writer
That's a understatement, its a WTF turning point in the production, meltdown will ensure tonight.
I read one that came with our newspaper. I hadn't read the one posted here before but that's much more detailed and even more bizarre than the bit I read!
Ok now am intrigued what you going on about can you place it in a spoiler please.
Now, there are a few parts in tonight's episode that are sure to elicit a WTF reaction.
When Elizabeth hears a rumour that her boys in the tower are dead Elizabeth realises her daughter was right, and that Margaret, with her kinsman Buckingham, had most reason to kill them. She and Princess Lizzie use magic to flood the country, and scotch Margaret’s uprising and her son, Henry Tudor’s, invasion.
Having worked out who his real enemies are, he visits Elizabeth and expresses that he has feelings for her daughter (as in, his neice, ew), Princess Elizabeth. The Princess, still betrothed to Henry Tudor, complains to her mother that she doesn’t want to be forced into marriage for political ends.
BIB is my particular fav.
Wow ok wtf am even more intrigued to see this play out now thanks for that.
what larks!
This series is soooooo much better for having this thread to pull it apart