It is indeed! But the best thing about it is how this weekend so far has been a slap in the face for the all-knowing pundits (who know much less than they'd have us believe).
It is indeed! But the best thing about it is how this weekend so far has been a slap in the face for the all-knowing pundits (who know much less than they'd have us believe).
Haha, indeed. They had Ranieri relegated, Arsenal were title challengers. Obviously they could still be correct but, as you say, it's a nice kick in the plums for them:)
Maybe so, but in a weekend of unpredictable results, a win yesterday looks better now.
A win on the first day looks the same regardless of other results, it's more about what it does for us and our confidence than where it places us in the league. There's so much football to be played that talking as if we've gained some kind of vital advantage is mad.
It's always nice to see our competitors get turned over though:D
Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal has told Real Madrid to match his £35m valuation of goalkeeper David De Gea, 24, as the Spanish giants prepare to make a £25m bid this week. (Mail on Sunday)
With De Gea's future uncertain, Van Gaal has lined up a bid for 26-year-old Ajax and Netherlands keeper Jasper Cillessen. (Sun on Sunday - subscription required)
But Ajax have warned United that Cillessen's price tag will go up this week, with the Old Trafford club prepared to offer £25m for the keeper. (Sunday Mirror)
Thats the BBC gossip page, now if you were Real Madrid and you knew that De Gea didn't play yesterday on what planet would you up your bid? If I was Real I would bid £10m and say "he's your problem". Van Gaal has acknowledged his head isn't right cos he has dropped him.
Its a total mess and its all Man Utd's doing, as I said from day one.
United are fed up of being walked over by Real Madrid and have decided to make a stand. If Real really want DDG, they'll have to cough up with the money, and/or a suitable player. If they pull out, DDG will play as our main keeper for the rest of the season and as a pro, he'll soon get his form back once the uncertainty is over. In the meantime, we have the insurance policy of Romero, who did well yesterday, so the situation is under control IMO.
United are fed up of being walked over by Real Madrid and have decided to make a stand. If Real really want DDG, they'll have to cough up with the money, and/or a suitable player. If they pull out, DDG will play as our main keeper for the rest of the season and as a pro, he'll soon get his form back once the uncertainty is over. In the meantime, we have the insurance policy of Romero, who did well yesterday, so the situation is under control IMO.
I think Madrid are happy to wait but are probably enjoying all the fallout from their blatant tapping up.
However I'm crossing my fingers that Romero does a sterling job and gives the manager no option but to keep on starting him.
the Man United goal keeping situation is not all of Real Madrids making. Thats a ridicuous statement.
There are two factors here, one is whether de gea is staying and the other is the man united goalkeeping position in general.
If we know de gea isnt ready to play then whats the point in keeping him here and paying his wages. If he wants to leave but is professional enough to maintain his performances with us THEN you can argue about whether we sell now or let him go for free next year. But as we are already one game in and the manager has clearly stated he isnt mentally fit to be playing then thats a bloody issue. Its an issue of our making because he either shouldnt be here now, should be here and mentally prepared to play or we should have already got in his permanent replacement.
We shouldnt be going into the new season with 5 goalkeepers. 1 of which has been told has no place here, one is an untested at this level youngster, one isnt mentally focused, one seemingly hasnt a clue whats going on and the other was sampdorias no2 who apparently is going to be our temporary no1.
That is a ridiculous situation for the club to be in and its entirely uniteds fault. Real Madrids actions are irrelevant to that
Louis Van Gaal ordered Real Madrid to pay the going rate for David De Gea - as he lined up a bid for Ajax and Holland keeper Jasper Cillessen.
De Gea, 24, was axed in favour of Argentine Sergio Romero as United edged to victory past Spurs at Old Trafford yesterday thanks to Kyle Walker's own goal. And United chief Van Gaal said: 'We do want to lose him'.
'He has been chosen by the fans as our best player for the last two or three years and that choice was correct'.
'We pay a lot of money for the players we want and we want to sell at the same level'
Quizzed how close Madrid were to matching United's £35million valuation Van Gaal added: 'That''s none of your business. I don't want to say anything anyway because I do not want to interfere with the situation'.
'I am not the most important part in this - the most important part is the player himself and then the club that wants to buy him'.
'He did not play against Spurs because a keeper has to have the highest concentration levels and the highest focus for the full 90 minutes'.
United will make a move for £30million rated Cillessen, 26, once Real come up with an acceptable bid for De Gea.
Sunday Mirror
Ajax boss Frank de Boer has warned Manchester United that the asking price for goalkeeper Jasper Cillessen is going up by the week.
Uniteds goalkeeping problems resurfaced yesterday when Louis Van Gaal droppe first choice David De Gea and kicked off the season with reserve Sergio Romero. As we revealed in June. United are plotting a £25million swoop for Cilessen if De Gea gets his wish to join Real Madrid.
United want £35million for the Spaniard, resulting in a stand-off that has left the Dutch keeper and his club in limbo. And De Boer, who has missed out on three replacements, said: 'Man United will have to pay a huge fee for Cillessen'.
'Let it be clear that we are going to take a really strong attitude and we will fight against him leaving at this stage'.
'Why because we have seen all our three alternatives go out of sight and it gets harder and harder to find a decent replacement'.
'To make it clear, Jasper is getting more expensive by the week, although there are certain figures we just cant turn down'.
Sunderland are leading the chase for Manchester United's Adnan Januzaj.
Everton are rivals,but Black Cats boss Dick Advocaat has factors in his favour a he attempts to land Janujaj, 20 on a season-long loan.
It is understood Advocaat has spoke personally to United boss and fellow Dutch veteran Louis Van Gaal about the possibility of landing the Belguim winger.
And Sunderland have had a good relationship over the years in helping to develop their young players.
Centre-back Jonny Evans and striker Danny Welbeck now with Arsenal - both benefited from loan spells on Wearside.
But the Black Cats bis looks to hinge on whether United capture Barcleona's Perdo, 28 for around £20million.
Star on Sunday
West Ham boss Slaven Bilic has not given up trying to sign Javier Hernandez from Manchester United.
They are ready to make an improved offer of £12million for the striker as a replacement for injured Enner Valencia - out for at least three months with knee and ankle injuries.
They are eyeing QPR's Charlie Austin, bur Hernandez, 27, is still in their sights - they have had one offer of £8.5million rejected.
United are fed up of being walked over by Real Madrid and have decided to make a stand. If Real really want DDG, they'll have to cough up with the money, and/or a suitable player. If they pull out, DDG will play as our main keeper for the rest of the season and as a pro, he'll soon get his form back once the uncertainty is over. In the meantime, we have the insurance policy of Romero, who did well yesterday, so the situation is under control IMO.
In the first half I got the feeling that he was not really certain that United were the team playing in red. At the end of the second half he was the reason we got all three points when none was quite a possibility.
Anyone know what the betting odds are as to when we actually score a goal ourselves? ;-)
the Man United goal keeping situation is not all of Real Madrids making. Thats a ridicuous statement.
There are two factors here, one is whether de gea is staying and the other is the man united goalkeeping position in general.
If we know de gea isnt ready to play then whats the point in keeping him here and paying his wages. If he wants to leave but is professional enough to maintain his performances with us THEN you can argue about whether we sell now or let him go for free next year. But as we are already one game in and the manager has clearly stated he isnt mentally fit to be playing then thats a bloody issue. Its an issue of our making because he either shouldnt be here now, should be here and mentally prepared to play or we should have already got in his permanent replacement.
We shouldnt be going into the new season with 5 goalkeepers. 1 of which has been told has no place here, one is an untested at this level youngster, one isnt mentally focused, one seemingly hasnt a clue whats going on and the other was sampdorias no2 who apparently is going to be our temporary no1.
That is a ridiculous situation for the club to be in and its entirely uniteds fault. Real Madrids actions are irrelevant to that
Real Madrid have played a huge role in this situation, if they had not made their interest known in the player, then who knows, he might have signed a new long-term deal with us.
The fact is, they have made it known that they want him, which in turn made him turn down the deal we put in front of him last season.
They don't or are unwilling to match our current demands for him, so we are left in this current situation with him, since he has had his head turned by them.
If Real Madrid did not show any interest in nim, we would be in a far better situation, so quite how it is ridiculous to put a large slice of the blame on them is strange initself.
If Real do want him before the window shuts, then they are going to have to put in an offer which we find acceptable, it is that simple, so it is entirely down to them to show just how really serious they are about wanting to sign him.
Real Madrid have played a huge role in this situation, if they had not made their interest known in the player, then who knows, he might have signed a new long-term deal with us.
The fact is, they have made it known that they want him, which in turn made him turn down the deal we put in front of him last season.
the fact is they DID make their interest known and as such united should by now have had something in place. I.E. either bought a suitable replacement, signed de gea up themselves or got rid of him. As i said in the post you quoted there are TWO situations, not just the one you seem to focus on
They don't or are unwilling to match our current demands for him, so we are left in this current situation with him, since he has had his head turned by them.
If Real Madrid did not show any interest in nim, we would be in a far better situation, so quite how it is ridiculous to put a large slice of the blame on them is strange initself.
If Real do want him before the window shuts, then they are going to have to put in an offer which we find acceptable, it is that simple, so it is entirely down to them to show just how really serious they are about wanting to sign him.
all entirely irrelevant to the fact that United have allowed themselves to be in a position of having FIVE goalkeepers and not knowing if any of them are number 1.
the fact is they DID make their interest known and as such united should by now have had something in place. I.E. either bought a suitable replacement, signed de gea up themselves or got rid of him. As i said in the post you quoted there are TWO situations, not just the one you seem to focus on
all entirely irrelevant to the fact that United have allowed themselves to be in a position of having FIVE goalkeepers and not knowing if any of them are number 1.
United have signed a international goalkeeper this window, he may not be in the same class as DDG, but none the less he's a decent keeper whom LVG has previously worked with. We don't know if he's seen as a back up or replacement as LVG hasn't really stated that. However, he obviously has confidence in him.
We have offered DDG a contract to sign that he hasn't isn't United's fault, and so they can't be blamed for that, plus as Batty says if Madrid haven't matched the valuation that United have for DDG, then they won't sell him.
It isn't the most ideal situation, but it isn't United's fault entirely, and to blame them for this and no one else seems rather odd.
the fact is they DID make their interest known and as such united should by now have had something in place. I.E. either bought a suitable replacement, signed de gea up themselves or got rid of him. As i said in the post you quoted there are TWO situations, not just the one you seem to focus on
all entirely irrelevant to the fact that United have allowed themselves to be in a position of having FIVE goalkeepers and not knowing if any of them are number 1.
Yes we should have had this situation sorted by now, on that I agree, but as for getting rid of him, why should we accept a really low figure for him?
If Real like some reports have said, have only offered £12-15 million for him, then that would be stupid to sell him for such low figures.
So it is down to Real to put up or shut up basically, and show how much that they really want him at their club.
As for your bit about signing him up to a longer deal ourselves, well we did try that, and thanks to Real's interest he rejected that deal, however, we were at fault by not offering him a new deal sooner, so perhaps at the time Nani was getting his shiny new deal under Moyes, that would have been the best time to have got it sorted out.
The situation regarding having five potentially first team worthy goalkeepers (depending on your view over Sam and Anders as falling into that category) is I agree not ideal, and is something we should sort out proto, but that is an entirely different issue to the one surrounding De Gea.
Out of the four transfers from United to Madrid only one of them has been a reasonable deal, the three others they've walked over us, they were Beckahm, RVN and of course Ronaldo. Only the Heinze deal was a good one for United.
Yes we should have had this situation sorted by now, on that I agree, but as for getting rid of him, why should we accept a really low figure for him?
If Real like some reports have said, have only offered £12-15 million for him, then that would be stupid to sell him for such low figures.
So it is down to Real to put up or shut up basically, and show how much that they really want him at their club.
As for your bit about signing him up to a longer deal ourselves, well we did try that, and thanks to Real's interest he rejected that deal, however, we were at fault by not offering him a new deal sooner, so perhaps at the time Nani was getting his shiny new deal under Moyes, that would have been the best time to have got it sorted out.
The situation regarding having five potentially first team worthy goalkeepers (depending on your view over Sam and Anders as falling into that category) is I agree not ideal, and is something we should sort out proto, but that is an entirely different issue to the one surrounding De Gea.
once again you are focusing on the one issue of whether we keep de gea or not and ignoring the situation at hand. We currently have 5 goalkeepers and seemingly have no idea who is the recognised no1. That is an issue entirely of uniteds making and can only be an destabilising influence. That is the actual point being made, the destabilising around the club going into the new season, not whether real madrid have offered a certain figure or not. Please try to look at a bigger picture and not just one single focal point.
Just can't wait for Sept 2nd, so that this relentlessly boring DDG argument can be put to bed once and for all.
It might not be even then, as if he is still here, you will get the speculation over when he will sign the deal to join them, will it be in January, or will it be at the end of the season.
United have signed a international goalkeeper this window, he may not be in the same class as DDG, but none the less he's a decent keeper whom LVG has previously worked with. We don't know if he's seen as a back up or replacement as LVG hasn't really stated that. However, he obviously has confidence in him.
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exactly the point being made. We have no idea who is the current no1. Obviously de gea would be but the manager himself has said he isnt mentally ready and he clearly wants to leave. So who is the no1? the guy we literally just signed? the guy we signed last year but now told he has no place at the club, the youngster or the guy thats been at the club as back up for a few years now?
That can only be a situation of our own making, no one elses.
once again you are focusing on the one issue of whether we keep de gea or not and ignoring the situation at hand. We currently have 5 goalkeepers and seemingly have no idea who is the recognised no1. That is an issue entirely of uniteds making and can only be an destabilising influence. That is the actual point being made, the destabilising around the club going into the new season, not whether real madrid have offered a certain figure or not. Please try to look at a bigger picture and not just one single focal point.
Hang on, you were the one who said blaming Real for this mess was ridiculous, when it blatantly was anything but that.
As for the five keeper issue, I think it is actually rather clear, if De Gea stays, then I think he will play, Romero is his deputy, but if De Gea goes, will be our number one.
Valdes and Lindegaard are not going to play for us again, so don't really count on the pecking order of things, and Sam is third choice.
So really we have three keepers who have a chance of playing in our first-team, with a doubt over one of them.
It might not be even then, as if he is still here, you will get the speculation over when he will sign the deal to join them, will it be in January, or will it be at the end of the season.
So, if he stays, it won't be the end of things.
The major argument over the fee will be over though (unless he signs a new contract).
The major argument over the fee will be over though (unless he signs a new contract).
Yes, and I guess that will at least bring a tiny bit of closure to this, even if there will still be a lot of other questions asked about him after the window if he stays.
Hang on, you were the one who said blaming Real for this mess was ridiculous, when it blatantly was anything but that.
As for the five keeper issue, I think it is actually rather clear, if De Gea stays, then I think he will play, Romero is his deputy, but if De Gea goes, will be our number one.
Valdes and Lindegaard are not going to play for us again, so don't really count on the pecking order of things, and Sam is third choice.
So really we have three keepers who have a chance of playing in our first-team, with a doubt over one of them.
yes, blaming real madrid for man united having 5 goalkeepers and not knowing who is the no1 is ridiculous.
So are you saying if we sell de gea thats it, romero is no1? You are accepting there wont be a replacement bought in if we sell de gea?
If de gea stays because madrid dont meet a valuation he will play? They havent met our valuation now and he isnt playing though, why is that going to suddenly change? If a player isnt mentally focused enough to be playing because he wants to leave that isnt going to change once the window closes. Why will he suddenly be focused come sept if he is still in a job he doesnt want to be in and with no way out for a year?
If he stays there will be a destabilising effect for the next year in that position whether he plays or not. If he plays and isnt upto last years standards it will be "he wants to leave, mind isnt on the job" etc.... if he stays and doesnt play we are paying a mans wages to sit in the stands just like valdes and lindegaard. In that situation any mistake made by whoever is playing will be magnified by people saying de gea should be playing.
Surely you can see how destabilising that is going to be?
The only good thing that can come from this is if de gea announces he really does want to stay and plays as well as he can or we cut the losses and get him out. Anything else is going to be affecting the club.
Yes it is destabilising, but that is due to Real Madrid, we didn't ask for him to reject the deal we put in place for him to sign, so it is far more Real Madrid's fault then it is ours.
Di we have to take some, small portion of the blame, yes, as I have said previously, when Nani got his shiny nee deal, was the best time to have put together a new deal for De Gea.
If he is here with us beyond the window closing, then we will obviously have to check his mental frame of mind, as this period before the window closes, always messes with players minds, whether they are in De Gea's contractual situation or not.
If he is in a good enough frame of mind to play, and LvG thinks that he is, I would play him.
If on the other hand, he is still not deemed in the right frame of mind, then he doesn't play, and we go with Romero, I don't think we will bring another keeper in if he stays, or we will know that he is going to stay.
From there, the managers press conferences will just become far more boring, as the same questions will be asked over and over again (the journalists should just leave a message over the speakers on repeat rather than turn up, such will be the obviousness of their questions).
It could depending on De Gea himself, and what type of person he is, and no-one here I am guessing really knows him personally, lead to unrest on the training ground, if he moves about and starts complaining regularly.
So, yes, it is a tough situation, but one that Real Madrid have so far forced upon us, and we are dealing with the fall out from that.
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It is indeed! But the best thing about it is how this weekend so far has been a slap in the face for the all-knowing pundits (who know much less than they'd have us believe).
Haha, indeed. They had Ranieri relegated, Arsenal were title challengers. Obviously they could still be correct but, as you say, it's a nice kick in the plums for them:)
A win on the first day looks the same regardless of other results, it's more about what it does for us and our confidence than where it places us in the league. There's so much football to be played that talking as if we've gained some kind of vital advantage is mad.
It's always nice to see our competitors get turned over though:D
Christ I've had longer lunch hours! 90 minutes is hardly defining.
United are fed up of being walked over by Real Madrid and have decided to make a stand. If Real really want DDG, they'll have to cough up with the money, and/or a suitable player. If they pull out, DDG will play as our main keeper for the rest of the season and as a pro, he'll soon get his form back once the uncertainty is over. In the meantime, we have the insurance policy of Romero, who did well yesterday, so the situation is under control IMO.
When has this actually happened. Please tell me.
I think Madrid are happy to wait but are probably enjoying all the fallout from their blatant tapping up.
However I'm crossing my fingers that Romero does a sterling job and gives the manager no option but to keep on starting him.
There are two factors here, one is whether de gea is staying and the other is the man united goalkeeping position in general.
If we know de gea isnt ready to play then whats the point in keeping him here and paying his wages. If he wants to leave but is professional enough to maintain his performances with us THEN you can argue about whether we sell now or let him go for free next year. But as we are already one game in and the manager has clearly stated he isnt mentally fit to be playing then thats a bloody issue. Its an issue of our making because he either shouldnt be here now, should be here and mentally prepared to play or we should have already got in his permanent replacement.
We shouldnt be going into the new season with 5 goalkeepers. 1 of which has been told has no place here, one is an untested at this level youngster, one isnt mentally focused, one seemingly hasnt a clue whats going on and the other was sampdorias no2 who apparently is going to be our temporary no1.
That is a ridiculous situation for the club to be in and its entirely uniteds fault. Real Madrids actions are irrelevant to that
Sun on Sunday
Louis Van Gaal ordered Real Madrid to pay the going rate for David De Gea - as he lined up a bid for Ajax and Holland keeper Jasper Cillessen.
De Gea, 24, was axed in favour of Argentine Sergio Romero as United edged to victory past Spurs at Old Trafford yesterday thanks to Kyle Walker's own goal. And United chief Van Gaal said: 'We do want to lose him'.
'He has been chosen by the fans as our best player for the last two or three years and that choice was correct'.
'We pay a lot of money for the players we want and we want to sell at the same level'
Quizzed how close Madrid were to matching United's £35million valuation Van Gaal added: 'That''s none of your business. I don't want to say anything anyway because I do not want to interfere with the situation'.
'I am not the most important part in this - the most important part is the player himself and then the club that wants to buy him'.
'He did not play against Spurs because a keeper has to have the highest concentration levels and the highest focus for the full 90 minutes'.
United will make a move for £30million rated Cillessen, 26, once Real come up with an acceptable bid for De Gea.
Sunday Mirror
Ajax boss Frank de Boer has warned Manchester United that the asking price for goalkeeper Jasper Cillessen is going up by the week.
Uniteds goalkeeping problems resurfaced yesterday when Louis Van Gaal droppe first choice David De Gea and kicked off the season with reserve Sergio Romero. As we revealed in June. United are plotting a £25million swoop for Cilessen if De Gea gets his wish to join Real Madrid.
United want £35million for the Spaniard, resulting in a stand-off that has left the Dutch keeper and his club in limbo. And De Boer, who has missed out on three replacements, said: 'Man United will have to pay a huge fee for Cillessen'.
'Let it be clear that we are going to take a really strong attitude and we will fight against him leaving at this stage'.
'Why because we have seen all our three alternatives go out of sight and it gets harder and harder to find a decent replacement'.
'To make it clear, Jasper is getting more expensive by the week, although there are certain figures we just cant turn down'.
Sunderland are leading the chase for Manchester United's Adnan Januzaj.
Everton are rivals,but Black Cats boss Dick Advocaat has factors in his favour a he attempts to land Janujaj, 20 on a season-long loan.
It is understood Advocaat has spoke personally to United boss and fellow Dutch veteran Louis Van Gaal about the possibility of landing the Belguim winger.
And Sunderland have had a good relationship over the years in helping to develop their young players.
Centre-back Jonny Evans and striker Danny Welbeck now with Arsenal - both benefited from loan spells on Wearside.
But the Black Cats bis looks to hinge on whether United capture Barcleona's Perdo, 28 for around £20million.
Star on Sunday
West Ham boss Slaven Bilic has not given up trying to sign Javier Hernandez from Manchester United.
They are ready to make an improved offer of £12million for the striker as a replacement for injured Enner Valencia - out for at least three months with knee and ankle injuries.
They are eyeing QPR's Charlie Austin, bur Hernandez, 27, is still in their sights - they have had one offer of £8.5million rejected.
In the first half I got the feeling that he was not really certain that United were the team playing in red. At the end of the second half he was the reason we got all three points when none was quite a possibility.
Anyone know what the betting odds are as to when we actually score a goal ourselves? ;-)
Real Madrid have played a huge role in this situation, if they had not made their interest known in the player, then who knows, he might have signed a new long-term deal with us.
The fact is, they have made it known that they want him, which in turn made him turn down the deal we put in front of him last season.
They don't or are unwilling to match our current demands for him, so we are left in this current situation with him, since he has had his head turned by them.
If Real Madrid did not show any interest in nim, we would be in a far better situation, so quite how it is ridiculous to put a large slice of the blame on them is strange initself.
If Real do want him before the window shuts, then they are going to have to put in an offer which we find acceptable, it is that simple, so it is entirely down to them to show just how really serious they are about wanting to sign him.
the fact is they DID make their interest known and as such united should by now have had something in place. I.E. either bought a suitable replacement, signed de gea up themselves or got rid of him. As i said in the post you quoted there are TWO situations, not just the one you seem to focus on
all entirely irrelevant to the fact that United have allowed themselves to be in a position of having FIVE goalkeepers and not knowing if any of them are number 1.
United have signed a international goalkeeper this window, he may not be in the same class as DDG, but none the less he's a decent keeper whom LVG has previously worked with. We don't know if he's seen as a back up or replacement as LVG hasn't really stated that. However, he obviously has confidence in him.
We have offered DDG a contract to sign that he hasn't isn't United's fault, and so they can't be blamed for that, plus as Batty says if Madrid haven't matched the valuation that United have for DDG, then they won't sell him.
It isn't the most ideal situation, but it isn't United's fault entirely, and to blame them for this and no one else seems rather odd.
Yes we should have had this situation sorted by now, on that I agree, but as for getting rid of him, why should we accept a really low figure for him?
If Real like some reports have said, have only offered £12-15 million for him, then that would be stupid to sell him for such low figures.
So it is down to Real to put up or shut up basically, and show how much that they really want him at their club.
As for your bit about signing him up to a longer deal ourselves, well we did try that, and thanks to Real's interest he rejected that deal, however, we were at fault by not offering him a new deal sooner, so perhaps at the time Nani was getting his shiny new deal under Moyes, that would have been the best time to have got it sorted out.
The situation regarding having five potentially first team worthy goalkeepers (depending on your view over Sam and Anders as falling into that category) is I agree not ideal, and is something we should sort out proto, but that is an entirely different issue to the one surrounding De Gea.
Out of the four transfers from United to Madrid only one of them has been a reasonable deal, the three others they've walked over us, they were Beckahm, RVN and of course Ronaldo. Only the Heinze deal was a good one for United.
once again you are focusing on the one issue of whether we keep de gea or not and ignoring the situation at hand. We currently have 5 goalkeepers and seemingly have no idea who is the recognised no1. That is an issue entirely of uniteds making and can only be an destabilising influence. That is the actual point being made, the destabilising around the club going into the new season, not whether real madrid have offered a certain figure or not. Please try to look at a bigger picture and not just one single focal point.
It might not be even then, as if he is still here, you will get the speculation over when he will sign the deal to join them, will it be in January, or will it be at the end of the season.
So, if he stays, it won't be the end of things.
exactly the point being made. We have no idea who is the current no1. Obviously de gea would be but the manager himself has said he isnt mentally ready and he clearly wants to leave. So who is the no1? the guy we literally just signed? the guy we signed last year but now told he has no place at the club, the youngster or the guy thats been at the club as back up for a few years now?
That can only be a situation of our own making, no one elses.
Hang on, you were the one who said blaming Real for this mess was ridiculous, when it blatantly was anything but that.
As for the five keeper issue, I think it is actually rather clear, if De Gea stays, then I think he will play, Romero is his deputy, but if De Gea goes, will be our number one.
Valdes and Lindegaard are not going to play for us again, so don't really count on the pecking order of things, and Sam is third choice.
So really we have three keepers who have a chance of playing in our first-team, with a doubt over one of them.
The major argument over the fee will be over though (unless he signs a new contract).
Yes, and I guess that will at least bring a tiny bit of closure to this, even if there will still be a lot of other questions asked about him after the window if he stays.
yes, blaming real madrid for man united having 5 goalkeepers and not knowing who is the no1 is ridiculous.
So are you saying if we sell de gea thats it, romero is no1? You are accepting there wont be a replacement bought in if we sell de gea?
If de gea stays because madrid dont meet a valuation he will play? They havent met our valuation now and he isnt playing though, why is that going to suddenly change? If a player isnt mentally focused enough to be playing because he wants to leave that isnt going to change once the window closes. Why will he suddenly be focused come sept if he is still in a job he doesnt want to be in and with no way out for a year?
If he stays there will be a destabilising effect for the next year in that position whether he plays or not. If he plays and isnt upto last years standards it will be "he wants to leave, mind isnt on the job" etc.... if he stays and doesnt play we are paying a mans wages to sit in the stands just like valdes and lindegaard. In that situation any mistake made by whoever is playing will be magnified by people saying de gea should be playing.
Surely you can see how destabilising that is going to be?
The only good thing that can come from this is if de gea announces he really does want to stay and plays as well as he can or we cut the losses and get him out. Anything else is going to be affecting the club.
Di we have to take some, small portion of the blame, yes, as I have said previously, when Nani got his shiny nee deal, was the best time to have put together a new deal for De Gea.
If he is here with us beyond the window closing, then we will obviously have to check his mental frame of mind, as this period before the window closes, always messes with players minds, whether they are in De Gea's contractual situation or not.
If he is in a good enough frame of mind to play, and LvG thinks that he is, I would play him.
If on the other hand, he is still not deemed in the right frame of mind, then he doesn't play, and we go with Romero, I don't think we will bring another keeper in if he stays, or we will know that he is going to stay.
From there, the managers press conferences will just become far more boring, as the same questions will be asked over and over again (the journalists should just leave a message over the speakers on repeat rather than turn up, such will be the obviousness of their questions).
It could depending on De Gea himself, and what type of person he is, and no-one here I am guessing really knows him personally, lead to unrest on the training ground, if he moves about and starts complaining regularly.
So, yes, it is a tough situation, but one that Real Madrid have so far forced upon us, and we are dealing with the fall out from that.