Woman Mauled To Death By Dog In London

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  • Constant PMTConstant PMT Posts: 3,458
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    I honestly think you should need a licence for certain breeds of dogs. My auntie recently had her Japanese Akita destroyed because it bit a visitor on her face.

    Only trouble is Scott, what about the little angry dogs?My mums fluffly little Bijon frise is a metalist. Not even a foot off the ground. I'm sure if a kid wound it up it could do some damage. I dont believe licences are the answer anyway.
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 26,840
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    When something like this happens you very rarely hear that the dog was a nice gentle family dog who had never shown any sign of aggression before etc.

    These attacks are almost always carried out by dogs that have never been socialised, been left in yards for their whole life etc.

    I think that's what you'll find in this case as well.
  • Constant PMTConstant PMT Posts: 3,458
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    cosmo wrote: »
    When something like this happens you very rarely hear that the dog was a nice gentle family dog who had never shown any sign of aggression before etc.

    These attacks are almost always carried out by dogs that have never been socialised, been left in yards for their whole life etc.

    I think that's what you'll find in this case as well.
    Yes, is just on the news now. Apparently neighbours had complained to the police about the dog recently. It was left outside, chained up, howling. Sounds like it was a very frustrated dog :(
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 26,840
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    Yes, is just on the news now. Apparently neighbours had complained to the police about the dog recently. It was left outside, chained up, howling. Sounds like it was a very frustrated dog :(

    Why anyone would want to get a dog just to leave it chained up in the yard is beyond me.

    Just get rid of it if you don't want it.
  • Constant PMTConstant PMT Posts: 3,458
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    cosmo wrote: »
    Why anyone would want to get a dog just to leave it chained up in the yard is beyond me.

    Just get rid of it if you don't want it.

    Indeed. WHta do they get out of that then? They have to pay for food, but get no pleasure from the 'pet' I dont really understand it. Looks like the police are searching for a lodger in his 30's that lives there, seems it may have been his dog.
  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Posts: 15,357
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    No dog however big or small can never be fully trusted
  • SigurdSigurd Posts: 26,610
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    welwynrose wrote: »
    One thing that confuses me is that apparently the Belgian Mastiff is supposed to be extinct
    Apparently there have been some attempts to re-create the breed:
    ...[The Belgian mastiff] was used as an Army dog during the 1st World War, employed to pull carts with arms and ammo, as well as for transporting wounded soldiers. The Belgian government supported the military kennel "Caserne Prince Baudoin" which collected dogs from Belgian farms and bred them for service work. Not many specimens survived the war and by the time fanciers started revival efforts, the WW2 began, ensuring the breed's disappearance. It has been considered extinct ever since.

    In the late 1980's a reconstruction programme was started by Alfons Bertels and his granddaughter using some rural dogs believed to be descended from the original Matin Belge and crossing them with English Mastiffs, Bullmastiffs, Briards and Belgian Sheepdogs. After a decade of establishing type and following the original Standard, these efforts were reportedly successful in re-creating the mighty Belgian Mastiff breed...
    http://www.belgischemastiff.be/index_en.html

    I'd think it must still be extremely rare, though. Incidentally, if it was used in the First World War "to pull carts with arms and ammo" or "for transporting wounded soldiers", presumably it must have been a big, strong animal, despite what some sources seem to suggest.
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 26,840
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    No dog however big or small can never be fully trusted

    Fully trusted not to do what? Attack someone and rip their throat out?

    If you mean give someone a nip then I agree but to attack and kill someone is completely different. The chances of a well socialised and properly nurtured domestic dog doing that are very, very slim.
  • d0lphind0lphin Posts: 25,321
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    Only trouble is Scott, what about the little angry dogs?My mums fluffly little Bijon frise is a metalist. Not even a foot off the ground. I'm sure if a kid wound it up it could do some damage. I dont believe licences are the answer anyway.

    That's so true that small dogs can do damage too, but at least with a small dog there's a better chance of being able to over power it.

    I have a lhasa apso and when my son was 10 the dog bit him [it didn't draw blood but it left a mark] My son had provoked him by taking his bone off him.

    I kept the dog as it is/was the only time it has been vicious but I NEVER let other kids stroke him and keep him in the other room when friends visit with children.
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    d0lphin wrote: »
    That's so true that small dogs can do damage too, but at least with a small dog there's a better chance of being able to over power it.

    I have a lhasa apso and when my son was 10 the dog bit him [it didn't draw blood but it left a mark] My son had provoked him by taking his bone off him.

    I kept the dog as it is/was the only time it has been vicious but I NEVER let other kids stroke him and keep him in the other room when friends visit with children.

    Small dogs are no more likely to attack anyone than large dogs. The problem is always with the owners. Misbehaviour is easier to ignore with small dogs so not only is it ignored but it's often nurtured.

    If you had a rottweiler that was biting your ankles or jumping up at you, or barking all the time you'd get it sorted.
  • rickberickbe Posts: 613
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    welwynrose wrote: »
    One thing that confuses me is that apparently the Belgian Mastiff is supposed to be extinct

    That one certainly is!

    Hey I went to school just a few streets from where that happened.
  • The VixenThe Vixen Posts: 9,829
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    Yes, is just on the news now. Apparently neighbours had complained to the police about the dog recently. It was left outside, chained up, howling. Sounds like it was a very frustrated dog :(

    Did I also hear right that they are looking for the owner, so the mauled woman didn't own the dog?
  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    No dog however big or small can never be fully trusted

    Kinda like people then?
  • Rose BuddRose Budd Posts: 4,178
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    The Vixen wrote: »
    Did I also hear right that they are looking for the owner, so the mauled woman didn't own the dog?

    Apparently she was a lodger in the house :(
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 26,840
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    Kinda like people then?

    Not quite as bad I'm afraid.

    UK dog population = 11,000,000.
    Recorded dog on human attacks in the UK last year = 3,800 or 0.035% of the total dog population.

    UK human population = 61,000,000
    Recorded human on human attacks last year = 650,000 or 1.05% of the total human population.

    Dogs are the least of our worries.
  • The VixenThe Vixen Posts: 9,829
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    Rose Budd wrote: »
    Apparently she was a lodger in the house :(
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    The poor poor woman!!! What the heck is the landlord thinking to allow a dog of that size be in a shared house? It's hardly fair on the other tennants. In my younger days I lived in a block of bedsits, one tenant had a dog, albeit a small one, but with no easy access to a garden the damned thing would shjt anywhere. Shared houses are no places to keep pets in most circumstances.
  • The VixenThe Vixen Posts: 9,829
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    cosmo wrote: »
    Not quite as bad I'm afraid.

    UK dog population = 11,000,000.
    Recorded dog on human attacks in the UK last year = 3,800 or 0.035% of the total dog population.

    UK human population = 61,000,000
    Recorded human on human attacks last year = 650,000 or 1.05% of the total human population.

    Dogs are the least of our worries.

    Those figures need to have factored in the dog attacks on family members who never report them. My son has been attacked three times by Jack Russells, I didn't report one of them even though they were strangers dogs. Once he ran into my car and we stopped harm by shutting the yapping mutt out, the second time the owner had him on a long leash but she didn't get it under control until it had shredded the bottom of his trousers, the third one came running at him and I picked him up.

    I used to have a Jack Russell as a pet but they used to make a beeline for my son for some odd reason. The trouser shredder was a rescue dog who the owner had only had for a day.
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 26,840
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    The Vixen wrote: »
    Those figures need to have factored in the dog attacks on family members who never report them. My son has been attacked three times by Jack Russells, I didn't report one of them even though they were strangers dogs. Once he ran into my car and we stopped harm by shutting the yapping mutt out, the second time the owner had him on a long leash but she didn't get it under control until it had shredded the bottom of his trousers, the third one came running at him and I picked him up.

    I used to have a Jack Russell as a pet but they used to make a beeline for my son for some odd reason. The trouser shredder was a rescue dog who the owner had only had for a day.

    How many human on human attacks do you think there are that also go un-reported?

    I presume the figures are a reflection of probably only the worst cases.
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    The BBC has named a man that police are "hunting". The police say they think he knows they want to speak to him. Perhaps this is not so straightforward as a pet that has gone beserk?
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    Unfortuantely the media in most cases do sensationalise these stories and you can bet that on most occasions the describe the dogs as Pitt Bull Type then show a photo of a Staffie.

    This is a terrible story and am sure the real reason will never be solved, but a dog normally will react if provoked, or something has happened that it does not like. A dog like this (which is actually extinct so must be a cross in there somewhere) would need specialist handling and really big facilities and regular walking and due to its size, proper handling, understanding and exercise and discipline. In a lot of these cases this does not happen.

    I have a 2 year old Staffie, and even before I got her I read up on the dog and though yep that the dog I want (before all the media hype), turns out these dogs are a fantastic family dog and superb. However, they are extremely clever and need a stack of walking and need a lot of training (she does obedience and flyball) and you have to set bounderies with these dogs. After all what she does, she does have issues at times with other dogs, so I am spacially aware of other dogs before I let her off lead or she is majority of the time on an extending lead. I take in to account her welfare and that of other dogs and people and I wish others would do so.

    The abuse I get from people just walking my dog on an evening is awful and people cross the road to avoid us, a fella two days ago shouted at her saying she was one of those Rottweiler dogs they are devil dogs, which saddend me as she is a Staffie and she just plain ignored him, she was so good.

    I chose a staffie, she is the right dog for me although is persecuted beyond belief but I would not change her for the world
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 26,840
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    The BBC has named a man that police are "hunting". The police say they think he knows they want to speak to him. Perhaps this is not so straightforward as a pet that has gone beserk?

    He can be charged with keeping a dangerous dog.
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    molliepops wrote: »
    I see from the report a puppy has been removed could be the dog was protecting her pup - actually could be any number of reasons.

    First thing I thought of too. Have they found the owner yet??
  • Stefano92Stefano92 Posts: 66,227
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    No dog however big or small can never be fully trusted

    Well then you can say that about anyone then... so we shouldn't be trusting a 6 year old girl, because you never know....

    No idea what got into the dog. My friend has a Staff Bull Terrier, and IMO even though it looks like an aggressive dog, it jjust so friendly towards kids and everyone... but you never know. A dog can just flip, just like humans can.
  • Stefano92Stefano92 Posts: 66,227
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    cosmo wrote: »
    He can be charged with keeping a dangerous dog.

    But... the dog was not a danger before?
    If it has done nothing wrong before, how could anyone know it was a dangerous dog.

    You could say that anybody can be charged for anyone having a dangerous dog, because EVERY dog, even the smallest can be dangerous, but haven't shown that side to them. Obviously the owners wouldn't know if their dog was dangerous.
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 26,840
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    Salv* wrote: »
    But... the dog was not a danger before?
    If it has done nothing wrong before, how could anyone know it was a dangerous dog.

    You could say that anybody can be charged for anyone having a dangerous dog, because EVERY dog, even the smallest can be dangerous, but haven't shown that side to them. Obviously the owners wouldn't know if their dog was dangerous.

    You've lost me there.

    Are you suggesting that it's likely this dog suddenly changed from being a 'pussycat' into a snarling killer without having shown any signs of being very dangerous beforehand?
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