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2014 for freesat your views

bensterbenster Posts: 419
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What do you think 2014 will hold for freesat
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    Mickey_TMickey_T Posts: 4,962
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    Much the same as 2013 probably. IE: providing subscription free satellite tv.
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    M60M60 Posts: 5,597
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    benster wrote: »
    What do you think 2014 will hold for freesat

    The addition of potentially more HD services from C4 + 4music will also join.

    I think more niche channels will also get on board as the economy continues to improve.
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    mike65mike65 Posts: 11,386
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    electric sofa will make its debut Shirley! :p
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 70
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    Maybe the arrival of the remote recording smart phone App?
    Was promised by the end of 2013 but recent postings on the freesat community forum are saying early 2014.....
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    IanPIanP Posts: 3,661
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    With Astra 2E expected soon, Astra 2G expected to launch in June and Astra 1N expected to depart, there will be big changes to the fleet at 28.2E this year. This may be the time for more channels to go free to air and join the Freesat EPG. We may find out this month what the BBC plans are for BBC1 HD English Regions and BBC2 HD Nations. BBC HD EPG swaps should be implemented where the service corresponds to the current SD service later this year. BBC1+1 could arrive this year. Channel 4 may make some additional HD services available (I'm not banking on it though as they have been happy to do pay TV deals for HD). Some local TV channels may join Freesat. Emma Scott, Freesat MD said last year "We will soon be delivering more features to our next generation Freetime service including a remote app and in the future, additional movie and music channels."
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 16
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    freesat will become subscription only service :):):) possibly a dedicated sports channel?
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    onephatonephat Posts: 898
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    im hoping that the UKTV channels decide to join, mainly dave, drama and yesterday.
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    Nigel GoodwinNigel Goodwin Posts: 58,524
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    onephat wrote: »
    im hoping that the UKTV channels decide to join, mainly dave, drama and yesterday.

    As they rely on subscription money to survive that's not likely to happen.
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    onephatonephat Posts: 898
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    As they rely on subscription money to survive that's not likely to happen.

    does the money they get from sky help to fund their existance on freeview im guessing then?
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    M60M60 Posts: 5,597
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    As they rely on subscription money to survive that's not likely to happen.

    Six of their channels are subscription on all pay platforms, I believe their contract was recently renegotiated to include access to their programmes via Sky Go and on-demand. It could be that this allows their FTA DTT services to continue pay on DSAT but under no multi-year deal, pending 2E's arrival, alternatively they could just remain encrypted we'll not know until or if anything happens.

    It just seems strange now that UKTV's two shareholders both have all their UK services on Freesat, one of which half owns the platform too!
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    Nigel GoodwinNigel Goodwin Posts: 58,524
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    onephat wrote: »
    does the money they get from sky help to fund their existance on freeview im guessing then?

    That's what's always been assumed - broadcasting on Freeview (even on only the main stations) is VERY expensive.
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    es6300es6300 Posts: 298
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    benster wrote: »
    What do you think 2014 will hold for freesat

    Dont know
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    M60 wrote: »
    The addition of potentially more HD services from C4 + 4music will also join.

    I think more niche channels will also get on board as the economy continues to improve.
    IanP wrote: »
    With Astra 2E expected soon, Astra 2G expected to launch in June and Astra 1N expected to depart, there will be big changes to the fleet at 28.2E this year. This may be the time for more channels to go free to air and join the Freesat EPG. We may find out this month what the BBC plans are for BBC1 HD English Regions and BBC2 HD Nations. BBC HD EPG swaps should be implemented where the service corresponds to the current SD service later this year. BBC1+1 could arrive this year. Channel 4 may make some additional HD services available (I'm not banking on it though as they have been happy to do pay TV deals for HD). Some local TV channels may join Freesat. Emma Scott, Freesat MD said last year "We will soon be delivering more features to our next generation Freetime service including a remote app and in the future, additional movie and music channels."

    We might possibly (emphasis on that word) get C4+1 HD, 4Seven HD & Al Jazeera HD and the increasing availability of more UK spot beam capability in 2014 will hopefully mean a few more free to air and free to view SD channels joining Freesat including 4music.
    freesat will become subscription only service :):):) possibly a dedicated sports channel?
    onephat wrote: »
    im hoping that the UKTV channels decide to join, mainly dave, drama and yesterday.

    I'm afraid that varies between highly optimistic and unrealistic. At the current stage in Freesat's development, I just do not see any of those things happening. In the meantime, Freesat can be supplemented with the following online options:

    http://dave.uktv.co.uk/on-demand/ Dave
    http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/on-demand/ Yesterday
    http://really.uktv.co.uk/on-demand/ Really
    http://www.tvcatchup.com/watch.html?c=73#73 Quest
    http://www.tvcatchup.com/watch.html?c=141#141 Docubox
    http://www.skysports.com/radio Sky Sports News Radio
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    onephatonephat Posts: 898
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    Thanks for that.

    I run Freesat along side a Youview box with BT Player so my bases are covered. The Tv upstairs is solely freesat hence the requirement for those extra channels.

    I'll stay optimistic but not hopeful.
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    Mickey_TMickey_T Posts: 4,962
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    Surely the tv upstairs has at least a basic digital freeview tuner in it though that could be connected to an aerial?
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    onephat wrote: »
    Thanks for that.

    I run Freesat along side a Youview box with BT Player so my bases are covered. The Tv upstairs is solely freesat hence the requirement for those extra channels.

    I'll stay optimistic but not hopeful.

    I really do have a great deal of sympathy for anyone who wants to see more choice on Freesat. I think, in the long term, that things will get better but two criteria will probably have to be satisfied first:
    1. That general economic growth and advert revenue growth continues going up over the next few years;
    2. That Freesat's strong customer growth will have to continue at the same level (see http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/freesat-to-outpace-sky-in-21st-consecutive-quarter-of-growth/).

    Factors such as those above will encourage media groups to put some more of their channels on Freesat. Actually, Freesat hasn't done at all badly this past year. There were a number of useful additions of channels of different genres and very recently we got some new HD channels from the BBC (we might possibly see more HD channels like C4+1 HD, 4seven HD & Al Jazeera HD at some stage too).
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    M60M60 Posts: 5,597
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    I really do have a great deal of sympathy for anyone who wants to see more choice on Freesat. I think, in the long term, that things will get better but two criteria will probably have to be satisfied first:
    1. That general economic growth and advert revenue growth continues going up over the next few years;
    2. That Freesat's strong customer growth will have to continue at the same level (see http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/freesat-to-outpace-sky-in-21st-consecutive-quarter-of-growth/).

    Factors such as those above will encourage media groups to put some more of their channels on Freesat. Actually, Freesat hasn't done at all badly this past year. There were a number of useful additions of channels of different genres and very recently we got some new HD channels from the BBC (we might possibly see more HD channels like C4+1 HD, 4seven HD & Al Jazeera HD at some stage too).

    I agree. Ad revenue this year is up about 3.5% with a strong 2014 predicted, helped by the 2014 World Cup too.

    I think with more and more people being aware of the platform now it will help to drive take-up too. According to Freesat's own sales research, 140k homes were added between July '12 June '13, more than Sky and VM. Not sure how they calculate this but will be interesting to see this Summer's results.
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    ds_readerds_reader Posts: 10,353
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    In the same press release that FREESAT claimed that 140k they admitted that represnted an increase of 15% in FREESAT homes which means there were just over 1 million homes mid 2013.
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    ds_reader wrote: »
    In the same press release that FREESAT claimed that 140k they admitted that represnted an increase of 15% in FREESAT homes which means there were just over 1 million homes mid 2013.

    That is your own erroneous figure. Here's what Freesat boss Emma Scott says:

    Emma Scott, Managing Director of Freesat: "The announcement today that BBC One will launch a +1 channel on Freesat is fantastic news for our 4 million viewers...
    http://www.freesat.co.uk/about-freesat/whats-new
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    M60M60 Posts: 5,597
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    ds_reader wrote: »
    In the same press release that FREESAT claimed that 140k they admitted that represnted an increase of 15% in FREESAT homes which means there were just over 1 million homes mid 2013.

    It's about 2m in total or just under. How many extra homes has Sky and Virgin added in this financial year? I think you'll find it's much less, if not in minor decline.
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    omnidirectionalomnidirectional Posts: 18,822
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    That is your own erroneous figure. Here's what Freesat boss Emma Scott says:

    Emma Scott, Managing Director of Freesat: "The announcement today that BBC One will launch a +1 channel on Freesat is fantastic news for our 4 million viewers...
    http://www.freesat.co.uk/about-freesat/whats-new

    To be fair, she's quoting the number of viewers rather than homes. If Freesat was in a million homes and each had 4 people that would make the 4million viewers.
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    David (2)David (2) Posts: 20,632
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    2014 for freesat = quite a lot of potential due to the new satellites arriving (even after sky take their slots for pay channels).
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    ds_readerds_reader Posts: 10,353
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    That is your own erroneous figure.

    TUT tut TUT ... don't you read your own links?

    http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/freesat_website/content/downloadables/freesat_q2_24.07.13__final.pdf
    24th July 2013

    FREESAT TO OUTPACE SKY IN 21st CONSECUTIVE QUARTER OF GROWTH

    • Freesat adds 145,000 homes in the last 12 months
    as more people wise up to free TV

    • Subscription free service continues to grow;
    15% of Freesat’s total customer base joined in the last 12 months

    A lesson in simple arithmetic...

    0.15x = 145,000
    x = 966,667
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,417
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    ds_reader wrote: »
    TUT tut TUT ... don't you read your own links?

    http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/freesat_website/content/downloadables/freesat_q2_24.07.13__final.pdf



    A lesson in simple arithmetic...

    0.15x = 145,000
    x = 966,667

    Yes, we all know that, for reasons best known to yourself, you have a bizarre anti-Freesat agenda that could just as easily have come from Osterley. It won't wash and you can persist in this Khedronite behaviour and worship Eris and Dysnomia as much as you like but you will still not get taken seriously here (or anywhere else for that matter).
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    StrathclydeStrathclyde Posts: 2,888
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    I'm a fan of Freesat, but the reality is that because Freesat has no subscription element, Freesat doesn't really know how many viewers it has. It can make estimates from the number of TV sets with built-in Freesat and the number of set-top boxes sold, but aside from BARB extrapolations and actual surveys (with of course the usual extrapolation), numbers still remain a guess.

    Freesat is currently running quite a clever promo to broadcasters (in effect, up a year's free EPG listing), which has helped its growth.

    And just to complicate things further, many consumers don't even know what they are watching, and will often (particularly in Ireland) claim to be watching "freesat", when they mean that the have a FTA satellite receiver which receives free channels.

    Nevertheless, it certainly is growing, and as Freesat set-top boxes continue to get better and smarter, numbers will likely continue to grow.
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