OFCOM final decision on Pay TV review - Picnic to be allowed and wholesale prices set

mlt11mlt11 Posts: 21,092
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Per Sunday Times, two key points:

1) Sky will be allowed to sell Pay TV channels on DTT ("Picnic")

2) Wholesale price for Sky Sports 1 will be "close to £10.50 .... about a 20% cut"

NB:

- Current wholesale price of Sky Sports 1 (paid by VM) is £13.48 so a 20% cut would be £10.78

- OFCOM was consulting on a range between £9.41 and £11.24 so £10.50 would be a bit above the midpoint of the consultation range

- All above figures exclude VAT so to calculate retail break-even point (excluding all other costs) add 17.5%

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article7069785.ece
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  • tghe-retfordtghe-retford Posts: 26,449
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    mlt11 wrote: »
    1) Sky will be allowed to sell Pay TV channels on DTT ("Picnic")
    The very minute BSkyB announce from any final decision from Ofcom that they will launch Picnic, I will be contacting my MEPs. The consequences of BSkyB controlling the encryption and administration of the two biggest television platforms would be dire for both free-to-air television and competing platforms. BSkyB will not agree to simulcrypting if they can help it.

    It's going to be like what happened with Sky Italia in Italy where the EU demanded that Sky Italia give up its terrestrial operations because they had pay TV platforms on both satellite and terrestrial.
  • KIIS102KIIS102 Posts: 8,539
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    If true Sky seemed to of come out of this quite well. They may be losing 20% selling their premium channels to the likes of Virgin but in exchange they could make a larger profit by a paytv option on DTT.

    I'm sure Virgin/BT etc will all complain if this is true but it's their own doing to be honest.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,395
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    So OFCOM have caved again, big shock there :rolleyes:
  • mlt11mlt11 Posts: 21,092
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    KIIS102 wrote: »
    If true Sky seemed to of come out of this quite well. They may be losing 20% selling their premium channels to the likes of Virgin but in exchange they could make a larger profit by a paytv option on DTT.

    Yes, if the report is correct I would agree with that.

    The wholesale price consultation ranges were quite wide so the exact amounts set by OFCOM will be key. A price of below £10 for Sky Sports 1 would have been a pretty big blow for Sky - not only in lost revenue from VM re existing customers but because it would have given at least some potential for price cutting by VM and the likes of BT.

    But if the wholesale price is over £10.50 and possibly up around approx £10.80 then really Sky has nothing to fear from VM or BT.

    eg there have been various media reports of BT charging £15 for Sky Sports 1 - ie £12.77 excluding VAT. So with a wholesale price of between £10.50 and £10.80 that would give BT a gross profit of approx £2 per month out of which they would have to fund all other costs - ie subsidised boxes, installation, transmission, marketing, admin etc. That would mean a bottom line loss for certain.
  • Mark.Mark. Posts: 84,920
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    The very minute BSkyB announce from any final decision from Ofcom that they will launch Picnic, I will be contacting my MEPs. The consequences of BSkyB controlling the encryption and administration of the two biggest television platforms would be dire for both free-to-air television and competing platforms. BSkyB will not agree to simulcrypting if they can help it.
    Why shouldn't Sky be allowed to launch a service on DTT?

    Your argument seems to be "it doesn't matter if other offerings are crap, that should be what we're restricted to because Sky are bad".
  • mlt11mlt11 Posts: 21,092
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    Sky have said on many occasions that they will appeal re the regulated wholesale prices.

    But if this report is correct I wonder if they would be able to launch Picnic whilst at the same time appealing the wholesale prices? So Picnic would actually launch before regulated wholesale prices were introduced.

    If that happens expect a lot of noise!
  • tghe-retfordtghe-retford Posts: 26,449
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    Mark. wrote: »
    Why shouldn't Sky be allowed to launch a service on DTT?

    Your argument seems to be "it doesn't matter if other offerings are crap, that should be what we're restricted to because Sky are bad".
    Because they would have control of the vast majority of the market - it would be a monopoly. In many places without cable television or IPTV available, Sky could well be the only choice of pay TV and the likes of Top Up TV, Real Digital and I'd suggest even BT wouldn't be able to compete. It would also damage the Freeview and Freesat platforms by reducing free-to-air content, particularly if ITV and Five (maybe even Channel 4) carry out their threat and go pay. How is that good for consumers? Under a monopoly, Sky would control the encryption, administration and programme content, and if they're the only ones in business, you'll be paying a lot more for that content.

    Believe me, the second BSkyB announce the launch of Picnic on DTT, I will be contacting my MEPs - and just like in Italy, we'll see the EU demanding Sky give up Picnic on DTT.
  • Sesay2000Sesay2000 Posts: 2,291
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    All channels on DTT should be FTA IMO. The whole point should be to offer lo-cost access to TV services. Seeing valuable spectrum eaten up by pay TV leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

    Leave pay TV to satellite, cable and via phone lines.
  • AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    I really couldn't give two hoots if Sky have a monopoly on the pay-TV market as you can just cancel your subscription if you don't like it, but there really should be absolutely no subscription services on Freeview, and I'm pretty disappointed Ofcom think there should, though not entirely surprised as they're completely useless at the best of times.
  • jam2000jam2000 Posts: 3,361
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    Mark. wrote: »
    Why shouldn't Sky be allowed to launch a service on DTT?

    Your argument seems to be "it doesn't matter if other offerings are crap, that should be what we're restricted to because Sky are bad".

    Why should they be given space that is meant for FTA/Freeiew TV. They should have to pay and buy for space, there have been chances to buy slots but they never have.

    Sky already hold too much of a monopoly on the Pay market as it is.
  • NEWLINEtvNEWLINEtv Posts: 5,420
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    This is bad news for "Freeview" "only" customers, we will loose Sky 3, Sky Sports News, Sky News, AQUIVA had 2 slots up for sale last month with no reports of anyone buying them, I bet Sky will get them, I wonder also if Sky will get the overnight slots currently being used by the girls on sofas channels, it wouldn't supprise me if Sky launch a competitor to Top Up TV using the overnight slots from the porn channels, if that happens it sure would put Top Up TV out of business (my opinion).
  • bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,361
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    So no Sky News/Sky Sports Self Promotion (whoops meant news) on Freeview?
    I wonder what half my colleagues will watch at work now? Most visits to the staff canteen you will find Sky Sports News (and some are so addicted that they will watch even if an event is on another channel).
    But does this move open up the calls for a BBC Sports Channel especailly on Freeview? Not saying it should be all live Sport, but as we know the Red Button offers.

    -Five Live Sports with on screen graphics (football, cricket)
    -Australian, Paris and Wimbledon Tennis
    -British Golf Events - Following players over the course, not jumping from hole to hole.
    -Sports from multi sports events (Olympics, Commonwealth Games)
    -Magners League
    At present they have the sports news on loop, could they have a regular sports desk (subject to live events), half an hour at 8am, Midday, 6pm, 10pm. Then fill time with the loop or reruns of sports, as they do with the six nations, rugby league super league, football league show?
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,308
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    The Red Button service is expected to cater for ALL parts of the BBC's output, so to expect it to turn into a Sports service is to deny non sports viewers the opportunities offered by that service.

    But what this Ofcom move does mean is that the BBC News channel will become more important, as it will be the only free rolling news channel available.
  • RagnarokRagnarok Posts: 4,655
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    mossy2103 wrote: »
    The Red Button service is expected to cater for ALL parts of the BBC's output, so to expect it to turn into a Sports service is to deny non sports viewers the opportunities offered by that service.

    But what this Ofcom move does mean is that the BBC News channel will become more important, as it will be the only free rolling news channel available.

    Sky news, CNNI, CNBC, BBC News, Bloomberg, EuroNews, CCTV9, Russia Today, France 24, Al Jazeera, Press TV, NHK World. Are all still free to air and freely available to anyone with freesat.
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,308
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    Ragnarok wrote: »
    Sky news, CNNI, CNBC, BBC News, Bloomberg, EuroNews, CCTV9, Russia Today, France 24, Al Jazeera, Press TV, NHK World. Are all still free to air and freely available to anyone with freesat.
    Sorry,perhaps I should have been clearer - we were talking about Picnic on Freeview (and Picnic would mean the loss of Sky News on Freeview), therefore my comments apply to that platform and that platform only.
  • Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    Do people think this will affect the price Sky can pay for sports rights? Presumably Sky can offset some of the 20% reduction in wholesale rates by selling Picnic subs.
  • SpotSpot Posts: 25,124
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    Ragnarok wrote: »
    Sky news, CNNI, CNBC, BBC News, Bloomberg, EuroNews, CCTV9, Russia Today, France 24, Al Jazeera, Press TV, NHK World. Are all still free to air and freely available to anyone with freesat.

    However it seems reasonable to assume that if Sky News ceased to be free to air on DTT, the same thing would happen on satellite.
  • jam2000jam2000 Posts: 3,361
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    Do people think this will affect the price Sky can pay for sports rights? Presumably Sky can offset some of the 20% reduction in wholesale rates by selling Picnic subs.

    I would have thought less would bring in more subscribers so at the end of the day Sky would be receiving the same amount and also have larger advertising rates. At the end of the day the consumer will come out on top as they will be paying less.
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    Spot wrote: »
    However it seems reasonable to assume that if Sky News ceased to be free to air on DTT, the same thing would happen on satellite.

    Sky News isn't available on the UK Freesat service (Astra 28) but it is available on Astra 19.

    I'm not sure if BSkyB would bother taking it off Astra 19 because not many UK homes will have dishes that are able to receive this.
  • derek500derek500 Posts: 24,891
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    Westward wrote: »
    Sky News isn't available on the UK Freesat service (Astra 28) but it is available on Astra 19.

    You can tune it in manually in non-Freesat mode.
  • SpotSpot Posts: 25,124
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    Westward wrote: »
    Sky News isn't available on the UK Freesat service (Astra 28) but it is available on Astra 19.

    I'm not sure if BSkyB would bother taking it off Astra 19 because not many UK homes will have dishes that are able to receive this.

    I wasn't aware of its Freesat status but it is certainly available free-to-air, so 'non-Freesat' free to air boxes like mine can get it, and is it not possible to get it on a Freesat box if you 'tune it in' manually?
  • SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    derek500 wrote: »
    You can tune it in manually in non-Freesat mode.

    I would expect it to become encrypted on Astra 28, but left as it is on Astra 19.

    I think BSkyB want it to be part of their Picnic package, so I guess they wouldn't want to be giving it away for free to satellite viewers (even if it's only the tech savvy ones who tune it in manually).
  • derek500derek500 Posts: 24,891
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    mlt11 wrote: »

    - Current wholesale price of Sky Sports 1 (paid by VM) is £13.48 so a 20% cut would be £10.78

    Is that just Sky Sports 1? What about 2, 3 and 4?

    I assume Sky would be able to charge more for the HD versions?
  • tim123tim123 Posts: 3,552
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    Mark. wrote: »
    Why shouldn't Sky be allowed to launch a service on DTT?

    Your argument seems to be "it doesn't matter if other offerings are crap, that should be what we're restricted to because Sky are bad".

    I agree.

    As long as what sky broadcast is on an "open" platform, that is the same as the one everyone else uses, then as far as I'm concerned they can do what they like with their content.

    It's when they tie up their content to a platform, that is specific to them, that they then insist you rent from them, that I have a problem.

    It remains to be seen what they will do on DTTV.

    tim
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