The last TV I bought was a 32" LCD in January this year - cost £240. I have a couple of HD receivers connected to it and the picture is big enough and good enough for me.
The sound could be better though.
But I am just about old enough to remember when colour was introduced in 1967.
Probably have about 3 channels in 4k, then they'll announce 8k coming
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So you have a link to a UK broadcaster that's announced they will be making or buying, and broadcasting 8K programmes then? And when?
And if you don't, who are these "they" of whom you speak?
I've never heard it's 'coming' - but Sky announced long ago that they were developing a 4K Sky box, ready 'just in case' they choose to launch a 4K service.
I'm pretty happy with the HD TV I have just bought. No need for this contstant changing all the time in TV's. Why was it that colour TV aside, there wasn't hardly any changes to TV's from the 70's to the early noughties?
I'm pretty happy with the HD TV I have just bought. No need for this contstant changing all the time in TV's. Why was it that colour TV aside, there wasn't hardly any changes to TV's from the 70's to the early noughties?
There was a big change to TV's in 1990 when widescreen TV's were introduced, plasma and HDTV's were not far behind.
B&W to colour was a big change and not a lot seemed to happen for two decades, probably because CRT was pretty limited and technology was concentrating on games consoles and recorders not TV's, but since the introduction of widescreen TV in 1990 technology seems to go through changes every 10yrs.
I've had a HDTV and have been watching HD for nearly 10yrs, I'm ready for a change, do you think it's fair to hold back on change just because there are those who have just adopted technology that's nearly a decade old?
There was a big change to TV's in 1990 when widescreen TV's were introduced, plasma and HDTV's were not far behind.
B&W to colour was a big change and not a lot seemed to happen for two decades, probably because CRT was pretty limited and technology was concentrating on games consoles and recorders not TV's, but since the introduction of widescreen TV in 1990 technology seems to go through changes every 10yrs.
I've had a HDTV and have been watching HD for nearly 10yrs, I'm ready for a change, do you think it's fair to hold back on change just because there are those who have just adopted technology that's nearly a decade old?
I've had a HDTV and have been watching HD for nearly 10yrs, I'm ready for a change, do you think it's fair to hold back on change just because there are those who have just adopted technology that's nearly a decade old?
So you're sooner pay a LOT of money, have a great many fewer channels, and all for very little improvement?.
So you're sooner pay a LOT of money, have a great many fewer channels, and all for very little improvement?.
if you don't have the change the prices won't fall. So many people are just about the now.
If you don't believe there is more than a little improvement, there is no compulsion for you to buy or participate.;-)
So you're sooner pay a LOT of money, have a great many fewer channels, and all for very little improvement?.
I said "I'm ready for change".
I'm more interested in 4k projection, once they start coming through fully spec'd I'll be looking at my options. Unlike 4k TV's where you can get them for equivalent 2k prices, projectors tend to be more expensive, I see cost as the major factor, I appreciate there is little 4k out there at the moment, but I'll still have the same amount of channels and I'll still be able to watch Bluray's as I do now, from the demos I've seen they look no different to what they do on 2k, certainly no worse - the advantage I will have is being able to view Netflix 4k and any other content or channel added in the future.
My plasma has a faulty ysus board, it's nine years old and not worth fixing, even though it's not used for main viewing I'll be looking at 4k upgrade when they also start coming through fully spec'd (phase 1).
I want the choice to invest in new technology when it becomes available, not to be dictated by late adopters who have just invested in a decade old technology.
if you don't have the change the prices won't fall. So many people are just about the now.
If you don't believe there is more than a little improvement, there is no compulsion for you to buy or participate.;-)
It's not going to be an option (which is why this thread has a totally pointless title ), all sets will become 4K, and potentially 8K once the technology reaches that point.
It's not going to be an option (which is why this thread has a totally pointless title ), all sets will become 4K, and potentially 8K once the technology reaches that point.
It's probably not going to be an option in the future, but why should that stop anyone buying into 4k now, obviously knowing it's constraints.
I'm hoping my plasma holds out until the new spec'd TV's come out, but if it were to pack up tomorrow I'd certainly think about replacing it with something that's available now, it will mean adding a stb later, but I can't see 4k TV broadcasts for a few years yet, besides, you are going to have to add other boxes if you want 4k Sky and 4k Bluray, if/when they arrive.
8k doesn't render itself to well for anything under 84", to big for the average home, but I doubt that will stop them making 19" 8k TV's, as it doesn't stop them making 4" displays full HD.
It's probably not going to be an option in the future, but why should that stop anyone buying into 4k now, obviously knowing it's constraints.
I'm hoping my plasma holds out until the new spec'd TV's come out, but if it were to pack up tomorrow I'd certainly think about replacing it with something that's available now, it will mean adding a stb later, but I can't see 4k TV broadcasts for a few years yet, besides, you are going to have to add other boxes if you want 4k Sky and 4k Bluray, if/when they arrive.
8k doesn't render itself to well for anything under 84", to big for the average home, but I doubt that will stop them making 19" 8k TV's, as it doesn't stop them making 4" displays full HD.
Tata Sky in India says it will launch 4k next year and Direct TV has stated that it will have VOD 4k late next year with live 4k to follow shortly thereafter...so I would expect such in the UK by 2016. By then most tvs being sold will be 4k compatible..IMO
It's probably not going to be an option in the future, but why should that stop anyone buying into 4k now, obviously knowing it's constraints.
Because most people don't know its constraints and wouldn't understand them if they were told. Poor sods will buy 4K sets and believe they are watching something better than HD. Except they won't be.
Only to discover a few years later that they are missing half of the UHD improvements over HD, by which time the industry will be trying to sell them UHD-1 Phase 2 sets to get "full colour and stunning fast frame rates" and we might have some actual genuine UHD-1 phase 2 content being broadcast mainstream.
But wait! UHD-2 sets will be out by then, no doubt missing half of the improvements over UHD-1 phase 2 and off we will go again. I'd slap a huge great black Health Warning on all current 4K/UHD-1 phase 1 sets:
"This set is less than half as good as you probably think it is and it can damage your wealth"
Because most people don't know its constraints and wouldn't understand them if they were told. Poor sods will buy 4K sets and believe they are watching something better than HD. Except they won't be.
Only to discover a few years later that they are missing half of the UHD improvements over HD, by which time the industry will be trying to sell them UHD-1 Phase 2 sets to get "full colour and stunning fast frame rates" and we might have some actual genuine UHD-1 phase 2 content being broadcast mainstream.
But wait! UHD-2 sets will be out by then, no doubt missing half of the improvements over UHD-1 phase 2 and off we will go again. I'd slap a huge great black Health Warning on all current 4K/UHD-1 phase 1 sets:
"This set is less than half as good as you probably think it is and it can damage your wealth"
In the same respect folk buy HD TV's and believe everything they watch is HD - You can't blame the manufacturers for consumer ignorance.
The info is readily available, if someone goes out and blindly spends £1k + without doing any research they only have themselves to blame for incompatibility issues later on - Misinformation from shop staff is a different matter.
I'd have no issue buying into 4k tomorrow, I don't think phase 2 will be agreed and the TV's on sale before 2019/2020, buy that time I'd be due an upgrade.
I'd have no issue buying into 4k tomorrow, I don't think phase 2 will be agreed and the TV's on sale before 2019/2020, buy that time I'd be due an upgrade.
What's the point in that though, for the vast majority of the population? All they'll get tomorrow are more pixels, not a significantly better picture and at any given price level, quite possibly worse than an equivalent HD set. Trouble is, they'll be led to believe it's a better picture (the usual pixel-counting nonsense from advertising).
What's the point in that though, for the vast majority of the population? All they'll get tomorrow are more pixels, not a significantly better picture and at any given price level, quite possibly worse than an equivalent HD set. Trouble is, they'll be led to believe it's a better picture (the usual pixel-counting nonsense from advertising).
As with any new technology it rarely appeals to the masses when it's released, it's the early adopters that get attracted first.
From your remarks I can only assume you've never seen any native 4k demos - I have seen plenty, even in it's current state the picture quality exceeds that of HD.
My slight concern, is how will 4k look on over the air broadcasts, I believe the demos I've seen have been uncompressed, OK for disc but I have a feeling it will be heavily compressed for broadcasting.
As with any new technology it rarely appeals to the masses when it's released, it's the early adopters that get attracted first.
From your remarks I can only assume you've never seen any native 4k demos - I have seen plenty, even in it's current state the picture quality exceeds that of HD.
My slight concern, is how will 4k look on over the air broadcasts, I believe the demos I've seen have been uncompressed, OK for disc but I have a feeling it will be heavily compressed for broadcasting.
I haven't seen any 4K demos because there's no point, because that's not what broadcast UHD-1 phase 1 broadcasts will look like. If we ever get any phase 1 broadcasts, that is (nobody's yet said they'll do any, have they?).
4K sets based on UHD-1 phase 1 specs (or less!) really are a pointless exercise and pointless purchase for nearly everyone and I wish they'd just pull them - until the phase 2 specs are agreed, they can build that into the sets, and broadcasters have said they'll actually do it (and when).
As with any new technology it rarely appeals to the masses when it's released, it's the early adopters that get attracted first.
From your remarks I can only assume you've never seen any native 4k demos - I have seen plenty, even in it's current state the picture quality exceeds that of HD.
My slight concern, is how will 4k look on over the air broadcasts, I believe the demos I've seen have been uncompressed, OK for disc but I have a feeling it will be heavily compressed for broadcasting.
Other countries are not hanging around for OTA broadcasting. The cable companies are leading the charge in Korea and Japan.
I would think that streamed and cable content will be well under way before OTA gets off the ground. Makes more sense for early adopters to look to those sources first.
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A better figure is to base it on the number of Households (25M) whch brings it down to 325,000
They've already said it's coming...
So you have a link to a UK broadcaster that's announced they will be making or buying, and broadcasting 8K programmes then? And when?
And if you don't, who are these "they" of whom you speak?
The sound could be better though.
But I am just about old enough to remember when colour was introduced in 1967.
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I've never heard it's 'coming' - but Sky announced long ago that they were developing a 4K Sky box, ready 'just in case' they choose to launch a 4K service.
Don't be silly.....
I said 8K was coming. Whether it's next week or in 2020 (the estimated possible year of introduction) it still falls into the word coming.
But, just to put an answer to your question, the Olympics were filmed and broadcast (limited) in 8K back in 2012.
The BBC and NHK who trialled the 8K Olympics broadcasts have already indicated that they could miss out 4K and wait and go straight to 8K.
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/forget-ultra-hd-8k-is-closer-than-you-think/14385/
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/bbc-not-interested-in-4k-tv-broadcasts-says-panasonic.
There was a big change to TV's in 1990 when widescreen TV's were introduced, plasma and HDTV's were not far behind.
B&W to colour was a big change and not a lot seemed to happen for two decades, probably because CRT was pretty limited and technology was concentrating on games consoles and recorders not TV's, but since the introduction of widescreen TV in 1990 technology seems to go through changes every 10yrs.
I've had a HDTV and have been watching HD for nearly 10yrs, I'm ready for a change, do you think it's fair to hold back on change just because there are those who have just adopted technology that's nearly a decade old?
Good point..:)
So you're sooner pay a LOT of money, have a great many fewer channels, and all for very little improvement?.
if you don't have the change the prices won't fall. So many people are just about the now.
If you don't believe there is more than a little improvement, there is no compulsion for you to buy or participate.;-)
I said "I'm ready for change".
I'm more interested in 4k projection, once they start coming through fully spec'd I'll be looking at my options. Unlike 4k TV's where you can get them for equivalent 2k prices, projectors tend to be more expensive, I see cost as the major factor, I appreciate there is little 4k out there at the moment, but I'll still have the same amount of channels and I'll still be able to watch Bluray's as I do now, from the demos I've seen they look no different to what they do on 2k, certainly no worse - the advantage I will have is being able to view Netflix 4k and any other content or channel added in the future.
My plasma has a faulty ysus board, it's nine years old and not worth fixing, even though it's not used for main viewing I'll be looking at 4k upgrade when they also start coming through fully spec'd (phase 1).
I want the choice to invest in new technology when it becomes available, not to be dictated by late adopters who have just invested in a decade old technology.
It's not going to be an option (which is why this thread has a totally pointless title
Likely so. That early Seiki 4K 39" thing/one is now down to £200($339) on Amazon US.
And apparently it was as low as $299 !!!!
It's probably not going to be an option in the future, but why should that stop anyone buying into 4k now, obviously knowing it's constraints.
I'm hoping my plasma holds out until the new spec'd TV's come out, but if it were to pack up tomorrow I'd certainly think about replacing it with something that's available now, it will mean adding a stb later, but I can't see 4k TV broadcasts for a few years yet, besides, you are going to have to add other boxes if you want 4k Sky and 4k Bluray, if/when they arrive.
8k doesn't render itself to well for anything under 84", to big for the average home, but I doubt that will stop them making 19" 8k TV's, as it doesn't stop them making 4" displays full HD.
Tata Sky in India says it will launch 4k next year and Direct TV has stated that it will have VOD 4k late next year with live 4k to follow shortly thereafter...so I would expect such in the UK by 2016. By then most tvs being sold will be 4k compatible..IMO
Because most people don't know its constraints and wouldn't understand them if they were told. Poor sods will buy 4K sets and believe they are watching something better than HD. Except they won't be.
Only to discover a few years later that they are missing half of the UHD improvements over HD, by which time the industry will be trying to sell them UHD-1 Phase 2 sets to get "full colour and stunning fast frame rates" and we might have some actual genuine UHD-1 phase 2 content being broadcast mainstream.
But wait! UHD-2 sets will be out by then, no doubt missing half of the improvements over UHD-1 phase 2 and off we will go again. I'd slap a huge great black Health Warning on all current 4K/UHD-1 phase 1 sets:
"This set is less than half as good as you probably think it is and it can damage your wealth"
The info is readily available, if someone goes out and blindly spends £1k + without doing any research they only have themselves to blame for incompatibility issues later on - Misinformation from shop staff is a different matter.
I'd have no issue buying into 4k tomorrow, I don't think phase 2 will be agreed and the TV's on sale before 2019/2020, buy that time I'd be due an upgrade.
What's the point in that though, for the vast majority of the population? All they'll get tomorrow are more pixels, not a significantly better picture and at any given price level, quite possibly worse than an equivalent HD set. Trouble is, they'll be led to believe it's a better picture (the usual pixel-counting nonsense from advertising).
It is exactly 4 lots of 1080p. Incidentally those 2,6K tablet/smartphone screens are essentially 4 lots of 720p, again useful for multi display.
From your remarks I can only assume you've never seen any native 4k demos - I have seen plenty, even in it's current state the picture quality exceeds that of HD.
My slight concern, is how will 4k look on over the air broadcasts, I believe the demos I've seen have been uncompressed, OK for disc but I have a feeling it will be heavily compressed for broadcasting.
I haven't seen any 4K demos because there's no point, because that's not what broadcast UHD-1 phase 1 broadcasts will look like. If we ever get any phase 1 broadcasts, that is (nobody's yet said they'll do any, have they?).
4K sets based on UHD-1 phase 1 specs (or less!) really are a pointless exercise and pointless purchase for nearly everyone and I wish they'd just pull them - until the phase 2 specs are agreed, they can build that into the sets, and broadcasters have said they'll actually do it (and when).
Other countries are not hanging around for OTA broadcasting. The cable companies are leading the charge in Korea and Japan.
I would think that streamed and cable content will be well under way before OTA gets off the ground. Makes more sense for early adopters to look to those sources first.