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UK Slavery Law and the Coalition
koantemplation
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Once the Slavery Law comes into effect, should the Coalition be prosecuted for forced labour, with their policy of forcing the unemployed to work for their benefits?
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However now we are seeing a huge rise in slavery in this country, I cannot see how changes in legislation can put an end to slavery, yet still carry on with through the guise of compulsory workfare. It has been proven to cut the hours of employed people and yet still the people forced into this scam are not managing to find paid employment because it is taking jobs out of the economy.
So no.
As I said above slavery needs to be redefined because we are in modern times and it amounts to the same thing. People without money can't live, they have no choice but to request benefits, so its an underhand way of slavery in modern britain. Wonder why so many companies are so eager to sign up to it? Of course they are doing it for moral purposes, not to avoid paying wages, as if that would be their motive!
It might well be that "Workfare" fits the bill, since slavery in practice was not usually about whips/chains but economic coercion.
However I don't see we need to define Workfare as slavery to be strongly against it. For certain it's both exploitation of the individual and damaging to the UK economy.
It also works to pull down wages for people actually in a "proper job".
I agree but I'm all for people on benefit to play a role in society helping out. It shouldn't be seen as wrong to ask people taking benefits to help clean graffiti off walls, pick up little or gain experience doing charity work.
They should not be exploited and that is part of the problem with workfare.
No.
Slavery implies not only that people work for nothing but that they have no freedom to leave. Perhaps you should show some concern for the 13,000 people who are slaves in this country. The women forced into prostitution, "imprisoned" domestic staff and workers in fields, factories and fishing boats. There is nothing inherently wrong with a person working to put something back into the society that is helping them.
Most people on benefits have worked and paid into the system, so they are just getting back what they have paid in.
If you and other people want people to work then create real jobs with real pay.
So that there are not 2 million unemployed looking for 500,000 jobs.
These so called slaves are free to leave. They don't have to come to this country and they don't have to keep working for the people that keep them. They can leave both the slavers and the country.
Oh and don't say that the fear of death is a problem as you don't seem to care that the unemployed have to work or face death from hunger and homelessness.
What on earth are you on about?
At this level it would be reasonable to send claimants on work placement schemes in Iceland or wherever.
Oh please! The risk of being murdered is not a problem? To compare a women forced to sell her body to pay traffickers - they have no chance of breaking free of that. They are imprisoned, forced to work on the streets or in brothels and then any money they 'earn' taken from them to pay the debts accrued to pay for smuggling them in the first place.
Those on workfare will be the long term unemployed, they will already be in the system and do not face being murdered. What they will have found is that they often have not got used to the idea of going out to regular work and workfare in part gets them re-acclimatized to it.
I saw a brothel on one of those Police programmes, the women could have left if they wanted to.
And in case you don't understand. If you don't have money or a home, you end up homeless and hungry and then you die.
So forcing people to work or not get any money is slavery IMO>
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Absolutely. If there is a job to be done, then there should be a wage to be paid for doing it. Benefits is not a wage.
LMGTFY.....
- imprisoned domestic staff
- forced prostitution
- illegals in sweatshops
Google it yourself. Incomers exploiting incomers - nothing to see here.
I did some work in the house of a millionaire fund manager in Grosvenor Square - he owned the fund. I can't be sure if he was from a Gulf State or Indian but the dozen staff of cooks, cleaners and drivers were all Indian or Bangladeshi. Win-win, I suppose.
I don't agree. The long term unemployed are generally long term because they will not take low wage employment. IF that is the case then they should help out locally for the benefits that they receive.
The evidence doesn't agree with you view.
2 million unemployed and 500,000 jobs proves that.
Also you have not show that the long term unemployed turn down work.
The sandwich factory example showed that it was a fallacy that this happens. And the factory actually looked for immigrant labour rather than giving a real job to local people.
Are you really suggesting this is normal behaviour for immigrants?
They are free to leave if the want to. Just as you are saying that people are free not to work if they want to be hungry and homeless.
Normal?? It is part of the cultures which seems to be the point. It is not normal for every Brit to go into town on a Friday night and make a fool of him/her self, it is however part of the culture.
speak for yourself. Perhaps that is the culture you associate yourself with.
It is not the culture of immigrants to take slaves. It is explotive people who do this, knowing that the people they have effectively enslaved are petrified to do anything about it.
But I realise that almost everyone has some unsupportable viewpoint about a group of people they probably don't like.
Just think of the widely held views as to what bankers/financiers get up too. I know I have such prejudice against banks, I don't choose to let it go.
So it's hard to criticise people who do they same thing with the unemployed. It's important to realise that such views are entirely fictional and are a symptom of a prejudice.
They were free to leave though. There was no one in the house keeping them there, and there was no threat of violence.
The same with the brothel I saw. They just use the threat idea to fool the Police that they had to do it.