Regeneration issue just got complex!
JCR
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So does he have 2 left, 497 left, or whatever River had left, left?
(I realize Time Lords are magic and it doesn't matter, but good luck to anyone trying to work this out.)
(I realize Time Lords are magic and it doesn't matter, but good luck to anyone trying to work this out.)
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One point - could it be that The Doctor in SJA was actually an older version, post - LKH, and due to the events of the episode his number of regenerations has increased?
He always could - its a sci-fi programme, people can come back from the dead, turn into a rabbit, grow additional limbs. Its a MADE UP SHOW - they can do what they want and explain it or not as they see fit. The master has been knocking around past his "last" regeneration for over 30 years. I struggle to see way anyone needs to see something that allows the produces to break the (supposed) rules...
Bear in mind that a) Melody isn't exactly a normal Timelord and b) she claimed to be able to control her aging while checking out her Alex Kingston body...
As for regenerations becoming complex, frankly that's been the case since Christmas Invasion where the Doctor grew a new hand. Or Journey's End and handy... This struck me more as Moffat taking the ideas RTD introduced and cranking them up a bit, while also tidying up a potential loose end regarding River regenerating in the Library (though to be fair he actually addressed that in episode when she told Ten he wouldn't regenerate if he did the transfer).
And as for Melody/River, who knows how many regenerations she would have had? Less, cos she was only partially Time-Lord; More, cos she was conceived in the Tardis?
So yeah. It's never really been black and white. And nothing's really changed.:D
Don't forget Romana and her closet Regeneration, just changing her body on a whim, haha, see folks, it's never been simple.
Exactly - so why speculate - it can be done any number of ways, yet many seem to want to see something that "allows" the programme to break the "rules" as if it is factual.
Personally, I would love it if on his 14th regeneration he just sits up having changed and says "blimey, I wasn't expecting that" and just carry on as if nothing major has happened. What we don't need is a long exposition about what made it possible...
Here's my take, If a Time Lord becomes a toddler when they regenerate, they may well age until they reach physical maturity then they'd presumably just sort of, stop ageing. But if they regenerate into a mature adult straight away, then no, they wont age.
But in their first life time lords age, and even if they make it through their whole life without getting killed, then their old age will kick start a regeneration anyway. (1st Doctor)
In Sarah Jane Adventures the Doctor said Amy & Rory were on their honeymoon on that honey moon he mentioned at the end of A Christmas Carol.
Romana could control her regenerations. And the Master seemed to control his when he made himself "young and strong again" in Utopia. The Doctor just seems to be a bit of a rubbish Time Lord... can't fly a TARDIS properly, can't regenerate properly. That's my opinion anyway.
If she was referring to the regeneration in episode 2 then she went from a child to a toddler according to the dialogue! At least that's my understanding.
Or, to put another spin on it, the Doctor just doesn't WANT to plan ahead that far and just takes his chances. Fits with the rest of his character, more than happy to let the winds of fate push him from one place to the next, usually prefers relying on the ol' Indy Ploy rather than actual plans...
Oh, and on the TARDIS thing, t's been established she really takes him where SHE wants, the fact he can fly her at all considering it's meant to take six people is a minor miracle and he clearly does know how to fly her properly considering Journey's End.
Rule 1....:p
It was just an idea. There's always the possibility of some timey-wimeyness going on.
TIME LINES!!
river did not regen into MELchild ..... the whoe thing is like a PARADOX, since we see BOTH river song's onscreen at the same time, but NOT in the same time line for each of them!!
CONFUSED???
I loved that bit, the excuse why in "her future" she would look younger
Exactly, she said something along the lines of 'the last time I regenerated I was a child', so she regenerated into a young Mels as a child. Keep up, people.
The 15-hour rule with regeneration can help you survive bullets? Intriguing!
As for regenerating into a child, the last person we saw regenerating WAS a child. Child-to-child regenerating? Or maybe regenerating can make you younger. May explain why Yana/The Master recalled being found as a child (unless that was part of his cover).
Or The Ponds decided being on a space-train thats about to crash isn't exactly the nicest honeymoon to have
... Donna can regenerate, I'm telling you :eek:;)