Nah that's not the reason why I would vote no. I don't think its a good idea for Scotland to separate from England.
And Northern Ireland and Wales. I think there are many excellent reasons why leaving Westminster's shenanigans will be very good for Scotland. I don't see the point in clouding the issue by trying to instil fear of immigration in people; especially when the conditions that (according to the likes of UKIP) give rise to mass immigration are actually conditions which already exist under UK rule.
SCOTLAND'S annual block grant is set to be cut by hundreds of millions of pounds in a knock-on effect from George Osborne's attempt to find £11.5 billion of extra savings across Whitehall budgets.
SCOTLAND'S annual block grant is set to be cut by hundreds of millions of pounds in a knock-on effect from George Osborne's attempt to find £11.5 billion of extra savings across Whitehall budgets.
That us subsidising the rest of the UK even more then :rolleyes:
A defence contract worth £600m has been awarded to French defence contractor Thales in a move that has undermined one of the key arguments against Scottish independence.
The latest scare story (in the P&J today) is that post independence the Heathrow slots for Scottish flights will not be guarenteed so flights to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Inverness will be cut. Inverness can hardly get worse and I don't think BA will abandon the most profitable route in the world to Aberdeen.
These silly scare stories are slowly startin gto make me pro-independence (but there's a long way to go!)
The latest scare story (in the P&J today) is that post independence the Heathrow slots for Scottish flights will not be guarenteed so flights to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Inverness will be cut. Inverness can hardly get worse and I don't think BA will abandon the most profitable route in the world to Aberdeen.
These silly scare stories are slowly startin gto make me pro-independence (but there's a long way to go!)
not sure if this is a scare story but it is shocking..
Video from the ONS explaining the wealth of the wealthiest in the UK
It looks at the distribution of total household wealth, as well as, the percentage of households in each UK region that are in the top 10% of the distribution.
Finally, it looks at the breakdown of total wealth for the top 10% and compares it to the bottom 50%.
I've met two guys today and I'm not joking, up to about Christmas time you had more chance of flying than them ever voting for Independence, yet one is now ''defo voting for Indy'' in his words and the other is now undecided.
It doesn't mean much on here, but truly is like someone like Michael Forsyth or Gordon Brown now backing the Yes campaign. If the 2 guys I know vote Yes, then it certainly is game on..
And both said the media's awful negativity is to blame.
So from a pro-indy point of view, maybe P and J, The North Britsman and the BBC can keep up their assault on the viewing public and starting their headlines with ''WARNINGS'' if it wins over a few more.
The next few polls will be interesting and also if YES will finally go on the offensive or continue just to sit tight until the turn of 2014.
Still, it's a huge time to go! And I think non-politicos are getting extremely fed up with the referendum talk. Near enough every subject on Newsnight or Scotland Tonight is about Independence and I can't see the public being engaged in this for a further what 16 months.
Wouldn't a threat like that be more believable if Scots hadn't made 3 breakthroughs in medicine which were widely trailed in the media this very week,- two for strokes and the go ahead to test artifical blood on humans? Think how many lives the latter alone could save if it proves as effective in clinical use as in the lab?
Scots have advanced medicine and engineering for centuries. Scottish researchers are part of programmes in co-operation with other academics all around the world in those fields.
If rUK and its institutions don't want to invest because they're stamping their little feet in the corner, someone with more insight WILL.
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"The fear is that in an independent Scotland there would be less incentive for English-based research councils and charities to favour Scottish institutions."
"The fear is that in an independent Scotland there would be less incentive for English-based research councils and charities to favour Scottish institutions."
"The fear is that in an independent Scotland there would be less incentive for English-based research councils and charities to favour Scottish institutions."
So Scottish institutions will continue to receive funding and independence wont change anything..
That would depend on just how much of that funding originates from the government and how much is truly private. It'd also depend on what the criteria governing where that funding is spent are.
Thanks to the press I have made up my mind of what I want to vote for. Therefore, I've got to do my own research on the issue from both camps and find that there is a definite imbalance towards one side.
I hear, listen, research everything that is said against Independence within the tv & media.
I don't listen to a one way opinion, I am open minded, therefore I've got to look at it from both sides.
I agree it is rubbish from the press or tv, however, does that not tell you how intellectual the scottish electorate is. I think many will feel the same & not just take it from the yes or no camp. It's not about political parties or leaders, it's about our country Scotland....
Every day or two we have Reporting Scotland starting their programming with "WARNINGS" about either Scots student being squeezed out of university at home or some other.
I too am trying to keep an open mind. I am going to vote Yes, but I want to see both sides raise the game. I suppose right now they don't need to as it's still a long time away and already many non-political buffs are bored of the electioneering and online battles between Yes and BT.
STV have been advertising a series on the Referendum which from the ads looks very interesting and at least they seem to be taking it from both sides unlike the BBC.
If anything, the negativity is backfiring and possibly worse than they can imagine. I met 2 guys that I used to work with, one is an ex Union rep and we mostly talk about football, but he knows I have a slight interest in politics and the first thing he said to me tonight was "You'll never guess what?'' and then went on to say he's had a Damascus moment and is now backing Independence and we ended up discussing why and he said a lot is to do with the negativity.
No bookie would offer any odds up to Christmas on this guy voting for Independence. It's a full circle/sea change reverse and although it is only one guy who mean nothing to people who don't know him, but it really opened my mind that if he is now going to vote for Indy then truly anyone could.
I'd like to see more debates 1 on 1 like Sturgeon v Moore a few weeks back or even 3 on 3 or something including the lesser knowns in both camps. Maybe a Lib Dem, UKIP, backbench Labour MSP vs SSP, Greens, Labour for Independence.
Maybe it's eagerness and all this will eventually come around in the next year or so, but it's seeming a bit of a slow drag at moment.
All I want to see is a open playing field. Both sides getting a 50-50 chance to say their story and then let us decide.
I've noticed very recently that
BBC if doing a report on Independence tend to start it with a 'Warning' or some other, then the Yes person will counter it in the middle of the segment before the No campaign having the final word.
Yet if they ever produce a piece on Independence - they will run the Yes side for the first half and No/BT will always have the final say or some other ''Some reports have refuted the claim'' or so on.
There's a good debate on YouTube between two youth reps, MichaeI Low and Ross Greer. I was impressed with both. Good to hear from a Green who is not Patrick Harvie.
I thought the Socialist on Scotland Tonight was clearer than either Kenneth Gibson or Patrick Harvie. It seems there's talent at all levels in all parties. Scots are sick of the same handful arguing the toss.
I've got to the stage now that future debates won't change my mind, because if anything changes it's a little too late and would only be said to change your vote to suit either camp.
For me, I have thoroughly researched the debate against & articles or discussions said within tv interviews or media. And I don't research on newspaper articles as that is an opinion of the author in part truth & how they wangle it.
I've researched hansard, EU parliament debates, expert opinions of research regarding a future Scotland from all fields. Now it doesn't matter for me what is said to keep the Union. I've read, argued, debated, put my thoughts forward in many forums, listened, read etc.
And to be honest Scotland can look after herself, and yes initially it won't go smoothly, but we'll get there.
But one thing people must remember this is a political union within 4 countries that make up the UK, and if Scotland becomes Independent....it will not & shall not destroy the social, historic, family union as we will still be part of these British Isles. It's the political union that is being questioned and decided here, not that of our neighbours. Please remember that.
"In a new paper for the left-wing Jimmy Reid Foundation which analyses 30 years of data, Margaret Cuthbert says the UK consistently performs badly against other European states on a range of economic indicators, with Scotland typically worse still. Her report covers GDP, employment, population, industrial output, manufacturing, business start-ups, household income and benefits."
"In a new paper for the left-wing Jimmy Reid Foundation which analyses 30 years of data, Margaret Cuthbert says the UK consistently performs badly against other European states on a range of economic indicators, with Scotland typically worse still. Her report covers GDP, employment, population, industrial output, manufacturing, business start-ups, household income and benefits."
Not so good news only 21% of 16-17 year olds would vote for Independence. 60% against and the other 19% undecided. 67% want more information though from some BBC study of 1000 people.
Yes will definitely poll at least 40% next year though.
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And Northern Ireland and Wales. I think there are many excellent reasons why leaving Westminster's shenanigans will be very good for Scotland. I don't see the point in clouding the issue by trying to instil fear of immigration in people; especially when the conditions that (according to the likes of UKIP) give rise to mass immigration are actually conditions which already exist under UK rule.
SCOTLAND'S annual block grant is set to be cut by hundreds of millions of pounds in a knock-on effect from George Osborne's attempt to find £11.5 billion of extra savings across Whitehall budgets.
That us subsidising the rest of the UK even more then :rolleyes:
just for a year..;)
A defence contract worth £600m has been awarded to French defence contractor Thales in a move that has undermined one of the key arguments against Scottish independence.
OR has James VI's/I's claim to the throne of France been revived by Elizabeth, Queen of Scots/Queen Elizabeth II?
These silly scare stories are slowly startin gto make me pro-independence (but there's a long way to go!)
not sure if this is a scare story but it is shocking..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGdRM3C_wjc
Published on 3 Dec 2012
Video from the ONS explaining the wealth of the wealthiest in the UK
It looks at the distribution of total household wealth, as well as, the percentage of households in each UK region that are in the top 10% of the distribution.
Finally, it looks at the breakdown of total wealth for the top 10% and compares it to the bottom 50%.
It doesn't mean much on here, but truly is like someone like Michael Forsyth or Gordon Brown now backing the Yes campaign. If the 2 guys I know vote Yes, then it certainly is game on..
And both said the media's awful negativity is to blame.
So from a pro-indy point of view, maybe P and J, The North Britsman and the BBC can keep up their assault on the viewing public and starting their headlines with ''WARNINGS'' if it wins over a few more.
The next few polls will be interesting and also if YES will finally go on the offensive or continue just to sit tight until the turn of 2014.
Still, it's a huge time to go! And I think non-politicos are getting extremely fed up with the referendum talk. Near enough every subject on Newsnight or Scotland Tonight is about Independence and I can't see the public being engaged in this for a further what 16 months.
However, it's a recycled one.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/education/go-it-alone-scotland-could-los
Wouldn't a threat like that be more believable if Scots hadn't made 3 breakthroughs in medicine which were widely trailed in the media this very week,- two for strokes and the go ahead to test artifical blood on humans? Think how many lives the latter alone could save if it proves as effective in clinical use as in the lab?
Scots have advanced medicine and engineering for centuries. Scottish researchers are part of programmes in co-operation with other academics all around the world in those fields.
If rUK and its institutions don't want to invest because they're stamping their little feet in the corner, someone with more insight WILL.
.
If Scotland becomes independent why would the english based research council invest in Scotland?
Surely with independence you would have your own research council funded from your own money.
They are not English based they are UK based
I was quoting the article.
"The fear is that in an independent Scotland there would be less incentive for English-based research councils and charities to favour Scottish institutions."
Misread post
So Scottish institutions will continue to receive funding and independence wont change anything..
Exactly. Just not so much.
That would depend on just how much of that funding originates from the government and how much is truly private. It'd also depend on what the criteria governing where that funding is spent are.
Thanks to the press I have made up my mind of what I want to vote for. Therefore, I've got to do my own research on the issue from both camps and find that there is a definite imbalance towards one side.
I hear, listen, research everything that is said against Independence within the tv & media.
I don't listen to a one way opinion, I am open minded, therefore I've got to look at it from both sides.
I agree it is rubbish from the press or tv, however, does that not tell you how intellectual the scottish electorate is. I think many will feel the same & not just take it from the yes or no camp. It's not about political parties or leaders, it's about our country Scotland....
Every day or two we have Reporting Scotland starting their programming with "WARNINGS" about either Scots student being squeezed out of university at home or some other.
I too am trying to keep an open mind. I am going to vote Yes, but I want to see both sides raise the game. I suppose right now they don't need to as it's still a long time away and already many non-political buffs are bored of the electioneering and online battles between Yes and BT.
STV have been advertising a series on the Referendum which from the ads looks very interesting and at least they seem to be taking it from both sides unlike the BBC.
If anything, the negativity is backfiring and possibly worse than they can imagine. I met 2 guys that I used to work with, one is an ex Union rep and we mostly talk about football, but he knows I have a slight interest in politics and the first thing he said to me tonight was "You'll never guess what?'' and then went on to say he's had a Damascus moment and is now backing Independence and we ended up discussing why and he said a lot is to do with the negativity.
No bookie would offer any odds up to Christmas on this guy voting for Independence. It's a full circle/sea change reverse and although it is only one guy who mean nothing to people who don't know him, but it really opened my mind that if he is now going to vote for Indy then truly anyone could.
I'd like to see more debates 1 on 1 like Sturgeon v Moore a few weeks back or even 3 on 3 or something including the lesser knowns in both camps. Maybe a Lib Dem, UKIP, backbench Labour MSP vs SSP, Greens, Labour for Independence.
Maybe it's eagerness and all this will eventually come around in the next year or so, but it's seeming a bit of a slow drag at moment.
All I want to see is a open playing field. Both sides getting a 50-50 chance to say their story and then let us decide.
I've noticed very recently that
BBC if doing a report on Independence tend to start it with a 'Warning' or some other, then the Yes person will counter it in the middle of the segment before the No campaign having the final word.
Yet if they ever produce a piece on Independence - they will run the Yes side for the first half and No/BT will always have the final say or some other ''Some reports have refuted the claim'' or so on.
I thought the Socialist on Scotland Tonight was clearer than either Kenneth Gibson or Patrick Harvie. It seems there's talent at all levels in all parties. Scots are sick of the same handful arguing the toss.
For me, I have thoroughly researched the debate against & articles or discussions said within tv interviews or media. And I don't research on newspaper articles as that is an opinion of the author in part truth & how they wangle it.
I've researched hansard, EU parliament debates, expert opinions of research regarding a future Scotland from all fields. Now it doesn't matter for me what is said to keep the Union. I've read, argued, debated, put my thoughts forward in many forums, listened, read etc.
And to be honest Scotland can look after herself, and yes initially it won't go smoothly, but we'll get there.
But one thing people must remember this is a political union within 4 countries that make up the UK, and if Scotland becomes Independent....it will not & shall not destroy the social, historic, family union as we will still be part of these British Isles. It's the political union that is being questioned and decided here, not that of our neighbours. Please remember that.
"In a new paper for the left-wing Jimmy Reid Foundation which analyses 30 years of data, Margaret Cuthbert says the UK consistently performs badly against other European states on a range of economic indicators, with Scotland typically worse still. Her report covers GDP, employment, population, industrial output, manufacturing, business start-ups, household income and benefits."
http://reidfoundation.org/portfolio/the-dysfunctional-uk-economy/
The Dysfunctional UK Economy
It really is food for thought that staying in the UK is detrimental to Scotland's future & potential.
Yes will definitely poll at least 40% next year though.