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Lots of good economic news around at the moment - bad news for Labour

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Job security boosts holiday confidence

http://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?news_id=2013856
Well over half (57%) of all 5,017 adults questioned said they intend to take an overseas holiday in the coming 12 months, 3% more than at the same time a year ago and a 1% more than in the summer.

Almost one in 10 say they plan to take more holidays and over a third (37%) will take two trips abroad, compared with 34% in the summer and 35% a year ago.

While most holidaymakers are planning trips of the same length, slightly more people are considering longer ones.

There has also been a marked increase in those who intend to take shorter breaks of six nights or less, up to 26% from 22% in the summer and 24% a year ago.

The rises come as 31% of respondents said they expect the economy to continue to recover in the next 12 months and 41% are confident of job security.


Businesses upbeat about pay prospects as rapid hiring continues

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/11196074/Businesses-upbeat-about-pay-prospects-as-rapid-hiring-continues.html
Millions of workers are already enjoying above-inflation pay growth, according to a new report that showed more than half of UK companies plan to hire over the next 12 months.

Almost two thirds of businesses said they increased pay in line with or above price rises over the past year, according to the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC).
Small businesses were most likely to reward staff with pay increases that outpaced price rises, according to the BCC.

Its survey showed that 34pc of all businesses increased pay above inflation last year, while 25pc uprated worker pay in line with prices.

The business lobby group’s poll of 3,000 businesses also showed that 54pc of companies expect to expand their workforce over the next year, with the IT, energy and construction sectors most likely to hire new staff.


Insolvency rate falls to eight-year low

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29816814
The rate at which Britons are becoming insolvent has fallen to its lowest since before the financial crisis, according to official figures.

In the 12 months to September 2014, just 0.22% of the adult population became insolvent.

That is the lowest rate since the spring of 2006, according to the Insolvency Service.

The number of people going bankrupt was the lowest for 14 years, as people turned to other forms of insolvency.
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    Kiko H FanKiko H Fan Posts: 6,546
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    No point in fighting that £1.7 billion then. Pay it up.
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    wazzyboywazzyboy Posts: 13,346
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    Perhaps if all that stuff about private sector pay is true people can stop attacking public sector workers.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,997
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    Kiko H Fan wrote: »
    No point in fighting that £1.7 billion then. Pay it up.

    It would seem so, sadly they'll have to borrow it and this time they may as well plan for ano rise in EU contributions next year.
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    The bubblecovery for you.

    I would be wary of talking up any good economic news until the post 2009 bubbles burst because the root cause of the financial crash has not been resolved.
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    TheEngineerTheEngineer Posts: 7,789
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    wazzyboy wrote: »
    Perhaps if all that stuff about private sector pay is true people can stop attacking public sector workers.

    The public sector needs to be affordable.
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    StykerStyker Posts: 49,863
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    There is a lot of fiddling going on. A lot of people are being FORCED to get off JSA and go into self employment even if they are non jobs in effect. What the job cenrtres are making people do is declare themselves as self employed anything and then claim tax credits instead of JSA. This takes them off the dole figures and techincally as people who are working but they aren't.

    I really don't think people forced into that are going to see it the way you do OP! Nor will most of those foced onto zero hour contracts or those who haven't had a pay rise in years and have had pay cuts while bankers share 80 Billion in bonuses!

    I could go on OP but I doubt its looking as good for the Tories as you hope it is. If things were so great for the Tories, why aren't they ahead in the opinion polls and well ahead in that?
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    TheEngineerTheEngineer Posts: 7,789
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    Styker wrote: »
    There is a lot of fiddling going on. A lot of people are being FORCED to get off JSA and go into self employment even if they are non jobs in effect. What the job cenrtres are making people do is declare themselves as self employed anything and then claim tax credits instead of JSA. This takes them off the dole figures and techincally as people who are working but they aren't.

    I really don't think people forced into that are going to see it the way you do OP! Nor will most of those foced onto zero hour contracts or those who haven't had a pay rise in years and have had pay cuts while bankers share 80 Billion in bonuses!

    I could go on OP but I doubt its looking as good for the Tories as you hope it is. If things were so great for the Tories, why aren't they ahead in the opinion polls and well ahead in that?

    Did you actually read the articles?
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    BanglaRoadBanglaRoad Posts: 57,587
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    The public sector needs to be affordable.

    £12 billion paid to working families in housing benefit Yeah this is some recovery
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    TheEngineerTheEngineer Posts: 7,789
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    BanglaRoad wrote: »
    £12 billion paid to working families in housing benefit Yeah this is some recovery

    Agreed - we should freeze housing benefit and then gradually cut it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,772
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    Agreed - we should freeze housing benefit and then gradually cut it.

    No we should be making housing more affordable and not a toy of the idle rich.
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    What that first article fails to mention is how many people intend to pay for their foreign holidays with credit. That is something I would be very interested in knowing. We cannot keep funding our lifestyles with credit, the debt bubble is a catastrophe waiting to happen and government are actually trying to get us to throw more wood on that fire. It's crazy.
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    Agreed - we should freeze housing benefit and then gradually cut it.

    We should be cutting tax AND national insurance for the working poor to remove the need for people to claim housing benefit.
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    wazzyboywazzyboy Posts: 13,346
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    The public sector needs to be affordable.

    And if the private sector has got more spending power, then it ought to be.
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    TheEngineerTheEngineer Posts: 7,789
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    What that first article fails to mention is how many people intend to pay for their foreign holidays with credit. That is something I would be very interested in knowing. We cannot keep funding our lifestyles with credit, the debt bubble is a catastrophe waiting to happen and government are actually trying to get us to throw more wood on that fire. It's crazy.

    While I agree people should not be taking on too much debt the reduction in the number of insolvencies (see post 1) suggests that things are OK at the moment - although as interest rates gently rise things may change.

    Interestingly this "doom and gloom" article mentions a number of countries that are often held up as the "socially responsible" (high tax, generous welfare state)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/10817959/Household-debt-is-Britains-hidden-timebomb.html
    Government borrowing, however, has got nothing on household debt, which rose to an astonishing 170 per cent of disposable income just before the crisis. During the recession, it fell back a bit, but this appears to have been only a brief respite.

    These phenomena are by no means unique to Britain. It’s a characteristic shared by a number of our European neighbours. In Sweden, gross household debt to income is 170 per cent, in Norway it’s 180 per cent, in Ireland 198 per cent, in the Netherlands 250 per cent and in Denmark, a jaw-dropping 265 per cent. By these standards, Britain is almost a laggard.
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    TheEngineerTheEngineer Posts: 7,789
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    wazzyboy wrote: »
    And if the private sector has got more spending power, then it ought to be.

    In order to get it back into some sort of balance we need to restrict the cost of the public sector while the private sector grows to make it affordable.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,772
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    Debts are so high, because virtually all money is debt.


    We will always have massive amounts of debt until the banking system and money creation are reformed.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 279
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    What that first article fails to mention is how many people intend to pay for their foreign holidays with credit. That is something I would be very interested in knowing. We cannot keep funding our lifestyles with credit, the debt bubble is a catastrophe waiting to happen and government are actually trying to get us to throw more wood on that fire. It's crazy.

    Indeed,its all going to end in tears im afraid!!! you cant build an economic recovery on consumer spending,you need to export!!! something this country hasnt done for many many years!!! The slowdown is already happening across europe and while we lag,its coming up to bite us in the backside,and the govt can try and fool us all they like!!!
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    While I agree people should not be taking on too much debt the reduction in the number of insolvencies (see post 1) suggests that things are OK at the moment - although as interest rates gently rise things may change.

    Interestingly this "doom and gloom" article mentions a number of countries that are often held up as the "socially responsible" (high tax, generous welfare state)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/10817959/Household-debt-is-Britains-hidden-timebomb.html

    'At the moment' being the key phrase here. We haven't gotten to the root cause of the financial crash and global debt hit the $100 trillion mark this year ($20 trillion added since 2009). This is not sustainable, we have merely pushed the problem further down the road in refusing to deal with it adequately.
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    Debts are so high, because virtually all money is debt.


    We will always have massive amounts of debt until the banking system and money creation are reformed.

    Indeed. The whole monetary system is unsustainable and will come crashing down around us.

    "Gold is money, everything else is credit" JP Morgan
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,772
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    Indeed. The whole monetary system is unsustainable and will come crashing down around us.

    "Gold is money, everything else is credit" JP Morgan

    We may disagree on the definintion of libertarianism, but I'm with you on this.

    The global economy = massive ponzi scheme. This is something everyone needs to get their head's around.
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    northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    Lots of good economic news around at the moment - bad news for Labour

    That may be the Tory Party and the Daily Mail line but:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/29/tories-nightmare-red-ed-miliband-right-on-wages
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    BanglaRoadBanglaRoad Posts: 57,587
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    Agreed - we should freeze housing benefit and then gradually cut it.

    Same for rents?
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    TardisSteveTardisSteve Posts: 8,077
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    Agreed - we should freeze housing benefit and then gradually cut it.

    i suppose you would love to get rid of it completely
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    StykerStyker Posts: 49,863
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    Did you actually read the articles?
    Agreed - we should freeze housing benefit and then gradually cut it.

    There is nothing in that article that backs you up properly. People were spending loads up until 2007 and most of it was on the "NEVER NEVER"! I wouldn't be surprised that is still the case and as for 34% of businesses saying they have paid above inflation pay rises, what that includes housing inflation? The biggest cost we all face? I doubt it does. Nor do I think these pay rises make up for all the years pay was frozen and or cut.

    As for cutting housing benefits, yeah that really will work won't it? - NOT!
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    TheEngineerTheEngineer Posts: 7,789
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    Garry-paul wrote: »
    Indeed,its all going to end in tears im afraid!!! you cant build an economic recovery on consumer spending,you need to export!!! something this country hasnt done for many many years!!! The slowdown is already happening across europe and while we lag,its coming up to bite us in the backside,and the govt can try and fool us all they like!!!

    We do export, granted not enough. We are the 11th largest manufacturing nation on the planet worth $219 Billion in 2013.

    We are the second largest Aerospace manufacturer in the World and 75% of that is exported.

    Our electronics industry is the 5th largest in the World in terms of production.
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