These two statements are not mutually exclusive, are they?
That could say a lot about the East Midlands.
What could they say about the East Midlands that they couldn't say about large areas of the country.
If both or either of you want to have an away day, Farage is in Newark today. You could stay overnight and into Monday to see an array of MEPs, their office is near Northgate station. Of course the Tories have been there in force but it won't make any difference to the likelihood of them losing thousands of votes and maybe the by-election.
It would be a great scalp though, although I think I would rather see Ed Balls get unseated.
Yes, I don't think there's any need for Farage to stand until the GE, and then in one of the Kent or Essex 'floating voter' marginals where UKIP have seen a sustained surge.
I've certainly heard of Roger Helmer. He's notorious for his controversial views on rape and homosexuality, amongst others.
I've just looked him up. Some of his comments on gay marriage rung a bell but I couldn't put a name to them.
If i remember correctly I think he's the bloke who was on a r5 phone-in trying to defend his opposition to gay marriage by suggesting such dumb things as it would lead to siblings marrying or someone marrying their cat .
So a former tory MEP semi homophobic geriatric is the best UKIP could put up?
Don't think I'll panic about the rise of the kippers just yet
What could they say about the East Midlands that they couldn't say about large areas of the country.
I very much doubt if anyone with Helmer's views would get selected where I live. Even local Tories would baulk at selecting a homophobe just a few miles from Brighton, and his views on rape would be a handicap too.
The experience of the Lib dems suggests it is pretty hard to break the two party system in the UK as far as Westminster is concerned.
The next GE is going to be interesting - will these UKIP voters move back to the other 3 after it if, as expected, UKIP get a decent share of the English vote but don't convert into actual seats like the Libs have been doing for decades?
I am no supporter of UKIP (am SNP - but then I have another option, see) but I am also politically realistic. Once the General Public down south get that the norm is no more and there are alternatives they vote - whether that is good, bad or indifferent is not the issue here. Stop having a knee jerk reaction in your head.
The reason the SNP have, and probably will continue, to be the Party of power in Scotland is far less about people's attitude to independence but under the current system they are the best option for implementing real, practical policies that people want to see. And have done it more or less (political bias aside - this post is about perception rather than actual politics).
That is a very different mind set to the party political game, and once you break that in voters heads all bets are off.
I've just looked him up. Some of his comments on gay marriage rung a bell but I couldn't put a name to them.
If i remember correctly I think he's the bloke who was on a r5 phone-in trying to defend his opposition to gay marriage by suggesting such dumb things as it would lead to siblings marrying or someone marrying their cat .
So a former tory MEP semi homophobic geriatric is the best UKIP could put up?
Don't think I'll panic about the rise of the kippers just yet
See a previous post by me on being politically realistic. Google John Hayes - an actual Minister in Government-like- these views are not a one way street, sadly. Perception and publicity.
It isn't a case that it goes or doesn't go through Newark, it's the shear cost of HS2, how the money could be better spent and how large swathes of the countryside can be preserved.
The problem is that something needs to be done to upgrade public transport in this country, but whatever is suggested will be classed as too expensive or too destructive by someone.
See a previous post by me on being politically realistic. Google John Hayes - an actual Minister in Government-like- these views are not a one way street, sadly. Perception and publicity.
Apart from the photograph on conservatives.com and wiki that afaic sends all the wrong messages in the "trust me" department I can't really find much about him.
Apart from the photograph on conservatives.com and wiki that afaic sends all the wrong messages in the "trust me" department I can't really find much about him.
Give us a pointer.
Voting record especially around Gay marriage etc oh and just poor turn up record... Be fair to the guy great public speaker - just stay on anodyne subjects - yes before anyone asks I have met him in private (like Harman) and no not political - God I jump through hoops!
The problem is that something needs to be done to upgrade public transport in this country, but whatever is suggested will be classed as too expensive or too destructive by someone.
They could do a huge amount to upgrade public transport in this country, but all the time they're spending god knows how many billions on HS2, only the small number of people who want to get from the NW or W Midlands to London in record time will benefit.
Meanwhile, successive train operators in the south east treat their customers like cattle, knowing that they cannot vote with their feet unless they can find local jobs. The decrepit rolling stock, poor track maintenance and lines running close to capacity means that the slightest hitch brings the system to a halt. The poor commuter has no alternative in many areas.
Anyone who doesn't believe me should try the First Capital Connect service from Sussex to Blackfriars.
The problem is that something needs to be done to upgrade public transport in this country, but whatever is suggested will be classed as too expensive or too destructive by someone.
I cant see an anti HS2 campaign resonating with people not affected by it. I know someone whose parents would lose their home and If it went 2 miles away they wouldn't care less about it.
I cant see an anti HS2 campaign resonating with people not affected by it. I know someone whose parents would lose their home and If it went 2 miles away they wouldn't care less about it.
Not true.
I think there are lots of people now living in areas where local train services were axed who are having to commute for everything, not just work, and are looking at the abandoned railway lines (where they still exist) and asking why they can't be reinstated if there is this kind of money available.
Environmentally that would be a winner, cuts down on car use.
They could do a huge amount to upgrade public transport in this country, but all the time they're spending god knows how many billions on HS2, only the small number of people who want to get from the NW or W Midlands to London in record time will benefit.
Meanwhile, successive train operators in the south east treat their customers like cattle, knowing that they cannot vote with their feet unless they can find local jobs. The decrepit rolling stock, poor track maintenance and lines running close to capacity means that the slightest hitch brings the system to a halt. The poor commuter has no alternative in many areas.
Anyone who doesn't believe me should try the First Capital Connect service from Sussex to Blackfriars.
Are you really trying to persuade us that rail services in the SE and around London are getting a rum-deal because of a proposal to increase rail capacity to the northern regions? Really?
Tell you what, I'll swap you some of your FCC 319s for our Pacers here out west (once we get electrified).
Voting record especially around Gay marriage etc oh and just poor turn up record... Be fair to the guy great public speaker - just stay on anodyne subjects - yes before anyone asks I have met him in private (like Harman) and no not political - God I jump through hoops!
I'm finding it difficult to follow what you're saying. Are you saying you've met him in a situation where politics weren't involved? What did you think of him as a person?
Are you really trying to persuade us that rail services in the SE and around London are getting a rum-deal because of a proposal to increase rail capacity to the northern regions? Really?
Tell you what, I'll swap you some of your FCC 319s for our Pacers here out west (once we get electrified).
In all honesty we're all affected, not just by the railway network but by the infrastructure as a whole. The roads and road network in this country are a disaster as are the railways. And all caused by years of neglecting to forward plan, permit sudden population growth, particularly regional growth, and set aside enough money to carry out the work.
Consecutive governments have made serious mistakes in planning in all areas of infrastructure; HS2 is but one example.
I'm finding it difficult to follow what you're saying. Are you saying you've met him in a situation where politics weren't involved? What did you think of him as a person?
Both, Look, I would not consider him a "bad" person in any way - fundamentally disagree with his views on some issues. That's how I just react to people in general. But his views like many politicians I have the fortune and misfortune to meet in private are just that, opinions. And I either listen or walk away at that point. I don't need to when the private views become public record. The point I was making was ALL parties have the odious in them, and as stated elsewhere I am far from UKIP - but I am realistic and non-partisan (most of the time).
Both, Look, I would not consider him a "bad" person in any way - fundamentally disagree with his views on some issues. That's how I just react to people in general. But his views like many politicians I have the fortune and misfortune to meet in private are just that, opinions. And I either listen or walk away at that point. I don't need to when the private views become public record. The point I was making was ALL parties have the odious in them, and as stated elsewhere I am far from UKIP - but I am realistic and non-partisan (most of the time).
Would you mind if I gave up trying to understand what you're saying or would you like to have another crack at it?
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These two statements are not mutually exclusive, are they?
That could say a lot about the East Midlands.
Your "confusion" symbol tells you all you need to know.
What could they say about the East Midlands that they couldn't say about large areas of the country.
If both or either of you want to have an away day, Farage is in Newark today. You could stay overnight and into Monday to see an array of MEPs, their office is near Northgate station. Of course the Tories have been there in force but it won't make any difference to the likelihood of them losing thousands of votes and maybe the by-election.
I have a feeling that they will come pretty close, but maybe not quite close enough.
Losing by 2000 votes seems about right.
I don't see much mileage in him doing that.
It would be a great scalp though, although I think I would rather see Ed Balls get unseated.
Yes, I don't think there's any need for Farage to stand until the GE, and then in one of the Kent or Essex 'floating voter' marginals where UKIP have seen a sustained surge.
I've just looked him up. Some of his comments on gay marriage rung a bell but I couldn't put a name to them.
If i remember correctly I think he's the bloke who was on a r5 phone-in trying to defend his opposition to gay marriage by suggesting such dumb things as it would lead to siblings marrying or someone marrying their cat .
So a former tory MEP semi homophobic geriatric is the best UKIP could put up?
Don't think I'll panic about the rise of the kippers just yet
I very much doubt if anyone with Helmer's views would get selected where I live. Even local Tories would baulk at selecting a homophobe just a few miles from Brighton, and his views on rape would be a handicap too.
I am no supporter of UKIP (am SNP - but then I have another option, see) but I am also politically realistic. Once the General Public down south get that the norm is no more and there are alternatives they vote - whether that is good, bad or indifferent is not the issue here. Stop having a knee jerk reaction in your head.
The reason the SNP have, and probably will continue, to be the Party of power in Scotland is far less about people's attitude to independence but under the current system they are the best option for implementing real, practical policies that people want to see. And have done it more or less (political bias aside - this post is about perception rather than actual politics).
That is a very different mind set to the party political game, and once you break that in voters heads all bets are off.
See a previous post by me on being politically realistic. Google John Hayes - an actual Minister in Government-like- these views are not a one way street, sadly. Perception and publicity.
The problem is that something needs to be done to upgrade public transport in this country, but whatever is suggested will be classed as too expensive or too destructive by someone.
Apart from the photograph on conservatives.com and wiki that afaic sends all the wrong messages in the "trust me" department I can't really find much about him.
Give us a pointer.
Voting record especially around Gay marriage etc oh and just poor turn up record... Be fair to the guy great public speaker - just stay on anodyne subjects - yes before anyone asks I have met him in private (like Harman) and no not political - God I jump through hoops!
They could do a huge amount to upgrade public transport in this country, but all the time they're spending god knows how many billions on HS2, only the small number of people who want to get from the NW or W Midlands to London in record time will benefit.
Meanwhile, successive train operators in the south east treat their customers like cattle, knowing that they cannot vote with their feet unless they can find local jobs. The decrepit rolling stock, poor track maintenance and lines running close to capacity means that the slightest hitch brings the system to a halt. The poor commuter has no alternative in many areas.
Anyone who doesn't believe me should try the First Capital Connect service from Sussex to Blackfriars.
Not true.
I think there are lots of people now living in areas where local train services were axed who are having to commute for everything, not just work, and are looking at the abandoned railway lines (where they still exist) and asking why they can't be reinstated if there is this kind of money available.
Environmentally that would be a winner, cuts down on car use.
I know someone from Newark who is sick of all the Polish and immigrants there.
But they are up against a massive majority . It's like saying will the Greens win the GE !?
Could be very interesting though ...
Shame if they express it that way though.
Are you really trying to persuade us that rail services in the SE and around London are getting a rum-deal because of a proposal to increase rail capacity to the northern regions? Really?
Tell you what, I'll swap you some of your FCC 319s for our Pacers here out west (once we get electrified).
I'm finding it difficult to follow what you're saying. Are you saying you've met him in a situation where politics weren't involved? What did you think of him as a person?
Why so down on the Polish? I've always found them charming people, kind, polite and very hospitable. And very hard-working.
In all honesty we're all affected, not just by the railway network but by the infrastructure as a whole. The roads and road network in this country are a disaster as are the railways. And all caused by years of neglecting to forward plan, permit sudden population growth, particularly regional growth, and set aside enough money to carry out the work.
Consecutive governments have made serious mistakes in planning in all areas of infrastructure; HS2 is but one example.
Both, Look, I would not consider him a "bad" person in any way - fundamentally disagree with his views on some issues. That's how I just react to people in general. But his views like many politicians I have the fortune and misfortune to meet in private are just that, opinions. And I either listen or walk away at that point. I don't need to when the private views become public record. The point I was making was ALL parties have the odious in them, and as stated elsewhere I am far from UKIP - but I am realistic and non-partisan (most of the time).
Would you mind if I gave up trying to understand what you're saying or would you like to have another crack at it?