I am a Latin teacher and I pronounce Vs as Ws but another member of my department pronounces vs as vs. It is partly due to the fact that in some manuscripts vs were written as us but aside from that no one can really have a clue how it was pronounced so to each his own I say!
Thanks for that:)
I can still remember going to see her statue in parliament square many many many years ago! That's how my primary school teacher pronounced it so that's how it sounds in my head.
And they reckon education is dumbing down nowadays pfft :mad:
I am a Latin teacher and I pronounce Vs as Ws but another member of my department pronounces vs as vs. It is partly due to the fact that in some manuscripts vs were written as us but aside from that no one can really have a clue how it was pronounced so to each his own I say!
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Yes, that might be what my Latin teacher said. That there was no proof so to pronounce it the way it looked. People generally don't say 'in wino weritas' in common conversation (in my experience) so, to me, Terry sounded a little silly.
Those of us who went to Grammar schools in the 50's and 60' s were taught that V was W ,
maybe it's changed.:rolleyes:
Sorry, are you rolling your eyes at me? I'm agreeing that v is pronounced w. Although there is a continuing argument about this rule, its how I was taught at a normal state school in the late 80s.
I am a Latin teacher and I pronounce Vs as Ws but another member of my department pronounces vs as vs. It is partly due to the fact that in some manuscripts vs were written as us but aside from that no one can really have a clue how it was pronounced so to each his own I say!
That's interesting. I had 2 different Latin teachers (in the 90's)and similar to you, they pronounced words differently. When I asked, I was told that Catholic taught teachers of Latin usually used V as V, but the more authentic was probably the W sound. (because of comparisons with loaned words I think)
I it wasn't for Terry we wouldnt be having this discussion about Boadicea, Latin etc. That's why I like him. Without him it would be hair straighteners, hos (sp?) and biting your toenails.
I have learned some new stuff reading this thread and how can that ever be a bad thing?
During his discussion about Latin yesterday Terry quoted the famous latin phrase 'in vino veritas' but unless my ears deceived me pronounced it completely wrong as 'in weeno wereitas'.
Now I know its not up there with 6 eggs make a dozen but for someone like Terry who seems to pride himself on his knowledge, I was surprised as its quite a funny mistake to make.
I am a Latin teacher and I pronounce Vs as Ws but another member of my department pronounces vs as vs. It is partly due to the fact that in some manuscripts vs were written as us but aside from that no one can really have a clue how it was pronounced so to each his own I say!
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I didn't realise what I started with this thread...
I agree with this, as no one really knows each to their own. I do agree though that the 'w' pronunciation sounds stupid, it's like someone not pronouncing their r's properly.
It must be a first for DS for everyone to be right
I didn't realise what I started with this thread...
I agree with this, as no one really knows each to their own. I do agree though that the 'w' pronunciation sounds stupid, it's like someone not pronouncing their r's properly.
It must be a first for DS for everyone to be right
I'm not having that, I demand that someone is found to be in the wrong.
Good one :thumbsup: (Oh drat "thumbsup" is on another forum - wish we had a thumbsup smiley )
Ummmm.... you do realise of course... that the 'thumbs up' sign... actually meant 'death' not 'save'..... according to the Romans... :D
It's like confusion over a vote to 'evict' or vote to 'save'.... The basis of a sideways clenched fist with a raised thumb was originally the equivalent to a vote to 'evict'....
The person who claimed that Terry's pronounciation was "completely wrong".
Incorrect statement = wrong.
And starting a thread about it in the manner in which they did, questioning Terry's intellect, simply adds to it.
Fair do's, although Ecclesiastical Latin pronounces the V as V, the fact that Classical Latin pronounces the V as W would indicate that Terry was indeed correct as opposed to being"completely wrong".
I am a Latin teacher and I pronounce Vs as Ws but another member of my department pronounces vs as vs. It is partly due to the fact that in some manuscripts vs were written as us but aside from that no one can really have a clue how it was pronounced so to each his own I say!
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I don't think that's right. I am not a Latin teacher but there is more to the debate than 'no one can really have a clue': up to around the 1st century AD it was clearly pronounced as a W - texts sometimes use a V interchangeably with a vowel or a Greek letter known to have a soft W-type sound. From the 1st century AD it became a V (sometimes used interchangeably with a B, which is not startlingly like a V but is a lot less like a W). Terry was using a perfectly acceptable classical Latin pronunciation, though not one that medieval scholars would have accepted.
Fair do's, although Ecclesiastical Latin pronounces the V as V, the fact that Classical Latin pronounces the V as W would indicate that Terry was indeed correct as opposed to being"completely wrong".
So yes, I agree with your findings.
The funny thing is, I'd imagine Terry is more than aware of the different pronunciations of the Latin V.
The same can certainly not be said for the OP who was, ironically, claiming Terry is not as clever as he thinks. An accusation which would perhaps be better pointed elsewhere
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What do you prefer John - Boo Dick er or Bo diss ia?!
Think it is now on it's second rotation since I was at school - maybe because teachers today were taught by my generation!
I am a Latin teacher and I pronounce Vs as Ws but another member of my department pronounces vs as vs. It is partly due to the fact that in some manuscripts vs were written as us but aside from that no one can really have a clue how it was pronounced so to each his own I say!
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Thanks for that:)
I can still remember going to see her statue in parliament square many many many years ago! That's how my primary school teacher pronounced it so that's how it sounds in my head.
And they reckon education is dumbing down nowadays pfft :mad:
maybe it's changed.:rolleyes:
The poster you quoted here said the same thing about V making the sound of W.
Sorry, are you rolling your eyes at me? I'm agreeing that v is pronounced w. Although there is a continuing argument about this rule, its how I was taught at a normal state school in the late 80s.
PS - I loved Latin
Unless it's Church Latin.
I have learned some new stuff reading this thread and how can that ever be a bad thing?
haha ur the big fool now:D
I didn't realise what I started with this thread...
I agree with this, as no one really knows each to their own. I do agree though that the 'w' pronunciation sounds stupid, it's like someone not pronouncing their r's properly.
It must be a first for DS for everyone to be right
haha big fool ur if you don't read all the replies and see that half (and the Oxford English Dictionary) agree with me
Oh I don't know, they seem to be able to write in English fine.
I'm not having that, I demand that someone is found to be in the wrong.
Ummmm.... you do realise of course... that the 'thumbs up' sign... actually meant 'death' not 'save'..... according to the Romans...
It's like confusion over a vote to 'evict' or vote to 'save'.... The basis of a sideways clenched fist with a raised thumb was originally the equivalent to a vote to 'evict'....
The person who claimed that Terry's pronounciation was "completely wrong".
Incorrect statement = wrong.
And starting a thread about it in the manner in which they did, questioning Terry's intellect, simply adds to it.
I dont miss Incontinentia Buttocks.
The cream worked wonders.
Fair do's, although Ecclesiastical Latin pronounces the V as V, the fact that Classical Latin pronounces the V as W would indicate that Terry was indeed correct as opposed to being"completely wrong".
So yes, I agree with your findings.
I don't think that's right. I am not a Latin teacher but there is more to the debate than 'no one can really have a clue': up to around the 1st century AD it was clearly pronounced as a W - texts sometimes use a V interchangeably with a vowel or a Greek letter known to have a soft W-type sound. From the 1st century AD it became a V (sometimes used interchangeably with a B, which is not startlingly like a V but is a lot less like a W). Terry was using a perfectly acceptable classical Latin pronunciation, though not one that medieval scholars would have accepted.
The same can certainly not be said for the OP who was, ironically, claiming Terry is not as clever as he thinks. An accusation which would perhaps be better pointed elsewhere