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New TV makes everything look like it was filmed on video in the 80s
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Hey all,
Long time no post. Our Philips TV died while we were away and I was shocked to discover that the price for getting it repaired would actually buy a new TV of similar quality. We wanted to get one that would last a little longer so we bought a Panasonic Smart Viera TX-L42ET60E - it's bigger at 42" compared to the Philips 37", has 3D and is connected to the net. Obviously being in France we can't get iPlayer and such through it (I know I could proxy to pretend to be in England), but it's a stonking set. The only issue is that watching The Walking Dead on it last night, and Iron Man 3 this evening and everything looks very cheap. The lighting is harsh and the update seems like video rather than film. The set supposedly supporting a 200Hz refresh for the 3D, but I don't think it can only be this. I haven't yet had the time (or energy) to really fiddle with everything, but skimming through the menus quickly doesn't bring anything immediately obvious to the fore. Anyone got a similar set?
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Long time no post. Our Philips TV died while we were away and I was shocked to discover that the price for getting it repaired would actually buy a new TV of similar quality. We wanted to get one that would last a little longer so we bought a Panasonic Smart Viera TX-L42ET60E - it's bigger at 42" compared to the Philips 37", has 3D and is connected to the net. Obviously being in France we can't get iPlayer and such through it (I know I could proxy to pretend to be in England), but it's a stonking set. The only issue is that watching The Walking Dead on it last night, and Iron Man 3 this evening and everything looks very cheap. The lighting is harsh and the update seems like video rather than film. The set supposedly supporting a 200Hz refresh for the 3D, but I don't think it can only be this. I haven't yet had the time (or energy) to really fiddle with everything, but skimming through the menus quickly doesn't bring anything immediately obvious to the fore. Anyone got a similar set?
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Turn off all the picture "enhancements" and turn down the colour - adjust the brightness/contrast etc restore colour to suit
Panny sells these sets with it set to MAX.
Switch it to OFF.
There is a similar setting that needs switching off when you view your Blurays ( can't recall its name off hand).
SMOOTH something IIRC
I've not tried it but I wonder what the Vidfired Dr Who stories look like?
These are film prints that have basically gone through an IFC type of gizmo to return them to the original look of video .
If the IFC of the Panny tv is on they must look weird .
I'll have to give it a try
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Probably as its only 576 (or whatever it is) on a full 1080p, and being on the bigger screens (40"+) won't help either.
Its about time every channel was HD now tbh, especially this day and age, HD looks great.
If you are lucky you'll come across a forum post/blog post where someone has paid the high charges (typically around 200-300 pounds) to have their set professionally calibrated and they have been kind enough to post the settings.
I did that with mine, found the settings and spent about half an hour or so following the setup. The difference in picture quality was quite marked too, SD massively improved (but it's a Plasma set which is generally better with SD than LCD) and a great improvement in HD picture quality too.
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I have a 3D Panny LED and Panny Bluray player with a Yamaha amp and I had lipsynch issues with a variety of discs ( even bought this new amp and sold a Denon to sort the problem out but it didnt) .
Tried changing all the settings as advised but nothing worked .
Just by chance I switched 24p off and hey presto problem solved.
I even contacted Panny about it but they had no answer.
The inconsistencies with the problem pointed to every device being at fault but since I switched 24p off on the Bluray and PS3 the problem has not appeared.
It should not happen as 24p is supposed to be the correct setting but the bottom line is that it works .
No point in introducing or changing delay settings as I'm sure you'll see the synch issues do not happen with every disc or recording so if you set a delay for one thing it will mess up the rest.
Some players and tv's even have a "synch" setting that is supposed to remove these issues when connected via HDMI but I don't seem to have that even though I'm supposed to.
Bluray at 60hz is supposedly inferior to 24p but I can't see any difference just as I couldn't see any difference when I first switched it on as my previous set wasn't 24p compatible
The ability to shift a YouTube vid from watching it on your phone to watching it on the telly is very cool, but it would be good to see the buffering taking place, like you do on the desktop, since our internet connection isn't great. I'd rather let it buffer, then be able to play the whole thing through rather than the Start/Stop we always get.
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Devices apart from the Panny tv are :
Motorised sat receiver
Tivo
PS3
Humax Freeview Recorder
Pioneer hdd/dvd recorder
Panny Bluray player
Yamaha amp
If its a tv recording with synch issues you'll probably find it won't happen too often .
Sometimes rewinding and playing again will restore synch
Budget and RF capacity limit that.
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It wasn't until I switched off 24p that it stopped completely.
I had the Bluray of Magnum Force and Scrooge (1970) and both had bad lipsynch issues ( these were the worst but there were lots that had issues including Cliffhanger and 3D Disneys) - but only in certain parts of the film . Other sections would be fine so adding a delay was a non starter.
With Magnum Force the synch was further out when playing the Dolby HD track than with the standard DD track .
Since I solved the problem a few months ago I changed my Panasonic tv to a different one and a couple of weeks ago I actually switched 24p back on again on the player and PS3 and tested both movies again and sure enough the synch was out .
Switched if off and everythings fine.
I can't find any rhyme or reason as to why this should happen . If it happened with certain discs you would at least expect the synch to be out for the whole film - but it isn't.
The whole thing makes no sense so I'm just happy that with 24p off it all works fine - although with 24p set to on the majority are ok but the synch issues are too bad to ignore when they are there
Proper calibration for the home is a different thing entirely, and something that is quite personal, and also affected by different lighting, TV positioning etc. but can take hours and hours of tweaking every little setting to get things just right. That's why some enthusiasts are prepared to spend a couple of hundred pounds getting professionals out to do the job for them.
TV manufacturers, even when it comes to built in settings like Cinema they usually include, do it to the lowest common denominator, essentially what they think will work for "most" people in standard conditions. For many people those settings will work fine, but for many they don't and can leave people disappointed with their £500 or £1000 purchase, that's especially true if those built in settings use the myriad of picture processing modes. They should ALL be turned off by default in my opinion as with most digital sources they tend to make things looks worse..
Googling to see if someone has had their set professionally calibrated and been kind enough to post the settings, can save many hours of tweaking and retweaking if you are someone who wants to try and get the best out of an expensive purchase. But again, it's a personal thing, so even someone's professional settings might not suit everyone and might still require some minor tweaking (usually just changes to brightness and contrast though I have found)..
I've Googled the settings on four TVs, my own, my mother's, a neighbours and my brother's, and in three cases the picture quality improved. The only one I couldn't find settings for was my neighbour's. On both my mother's and my brother's the changes were subtle, but noticeable. My brother's Samsung no longer gives images that slightly "cartoonish" look that many LCDs suffer from and my mother's was sharper with better, less muted colours. But on my own Plasma the difference was far more marked and the improvements much greater, I'm actually very glad I was able to find the proper calibration settings and they worked first time in my setting.Took about half an hour all in.
Yes the manufacturers could probably do better, but as I said, they tend to set things up for what they think is the most common setups.
Not at all, not for a good many years - anything remotely modern will ask during initial install if it's for Home or Shop use, and set it accordingly.
Even some old CRT sets did this as well, although previous to that it was fairly common that the default settings out of the box were for shop demonstration mode - presumably on the grounds that shop staff were too thick to adjust it accordingly?
I did find some settings for my tv (not sure what I would have done without them), but it said they are for blu ray and that settings are device specific. Is that correct? Not a prob, as I can multiple setups based on inputs.
No, the shop settings will tend to reset the settings to default after a certain time period because people like to change the settings when they're playing around with them in the shop. Home settings still tend to start on Dynamic and have everything enabled.
It would be pretty unusual to allow customers to alter settings, and catastrophic in most shops which is why you don't put remotes out for customers to play with (apart from the fact they get stolen).
No they don't, Home settings aren't 'Dynamic', they are suitable settings for the home.