Dragons' Den really seems tired now
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I used to really enjoy it but it's hard to get through an episode these days.
There are at least 2 throughly uninteresting dragons and Theo is badly missed.
Bannatyne is clearly tuned to the moon but how can Peter Jones be bothered anymore?
There are at least 2 throughly uninteresting dragons and Theo is badly missed.
Bannatyne is clearly tuned to the moon but how can Peter Jones be bothered anymore?
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Yes, on BBC2 just now.
Oh cheers. I missed it. I'll watch it on iplayer later.
BTW I agree. Used to be the best TV show for me but I lost interest a good few series ago.
I definitely won't watch it if Michelle Mone joins. She's absolutely horrendous and isn't a proper business person.
I know its always been entertainment but both shows were more serious before.
I used to enjoy it when it first started but now I just can't watch it. I am amazed the bbc still commission it!
I agree it's definitely not as good as it used to be. One of the reasons is the dragons aren't as good, I really don't like Kelly or piers for me they don't add much to the show. The second reason is that it's been on for so long now the premise of the show just isn't as interesting as it used to be and I generally find it quite boring now apart from the odd pitch.
The biggest issue is that it is very hard to see what you could change about the show to refresh it without destroying the fundamental point or making some ridiculous gimmick.
I suppose at the end of the day it is a lazy Sunday night show that I assume gets decent enough ratings for the production costs.
the guy has the charisma of a newt and is about as exciting to watch as paint that dried a decade ago! this is the extent of his input:
'the thing is, people can copy it.'
'the thing is, the big players can copy it.'
'the thing is, you don't really have anything you can protect, therefore people or the big players can copy it.'
'the thing is, what's to stop me copying it tomorrow?'
boring boring BORING ... goodbye piers, even if this show does just have one more run you won't be missed, nor will you hoppen, goodbye! as for mone, i'll reserve judgement but i'm already thinking NOOooo!
this show is in dire need of characters to liven it up. i used to love it but agree it's become pretty tired.
Anyone remember it?
Want to have a look at what happened to tonight's ideas.
i'm not sure he would tbh, as successful as he undoubtedly is, he can sometimes be a bit of a mumbling bumbling nervous type when on telly ... this show needs strong characters that come across well on tv and viewers are engaged by to revive it.
i wouldn't even want bill gates on it, too level headed / boring.
It's been knackered for years!
It's never sat right with me that out of sheer want of ego they take 40-50% of potentially someone's future income. Most small businesses will be lucky to break £100,000 a year. So what's £40,000 to someone like Duncan Bannatyne or Peter Jones? Whereas it could be a HUGE difference to some poor guy off the street who had a good idea.
It's a way to humiliate people with ambition for small change. It's a morally detestable programme.
I agree or that football woman from apprentice, neither are real business people
I thought that Piers was particularly difficult last night. He pulled that Cash and Carry guy's business apart and still said he's out, there was no reason for him to do that, he clearly wasn't intersted.
Theo was my all time favourite Dragon, not been quite the same since he left.
I hope it continues, I do enjoy the show, let's just hope that they can get three decent new additions to the show.
Maybe you haven't grasped the in's and outs of venture capital - it is not pretty, but can make a massive difference to 'some poor guy off the street'. You shouldn't just focus on the affect on the owners dividend. The exit strategy is often where the real money is earned
Well the saying goes.. 60% of something successful is better than 100% of nothing.
Example.. Levi Roots. Went into the Den with a home made food sauce he sold in Notting Hill. He'd sold 4,000 bottles and had a catchy tune for his product "Reggae Reggae Sauce". He wanted £50,000 for 20%. Peter and Richard gave him £50,000 for 40%.
He's now worth £35 million. Why? Because Peter used his contacts to immediately get the sauce sold in Sainsbury's to capitalise on the publicity from the show and I believe it's still on sale in every supermarket today. It was a very successful product and it's made him a lot of money.
The dragon's argument is they're not just handing over money and saying "Good luck, make me some money".. they're heavily involved with any product they invest in. They have various industry contacts already established who they'd call upon to ensure the product gets a huge head start and quite often this results in success. And they're opinion is this injection of capital and access to resources/contacts/experience is worth more than 20%. Especially if the offer is coming from a dragon who already has knowledge in the sector your product sits in.
Could Levi have succeeded on his own? Perhaps. Maybe someone would have called him after the show and made him a better offer. But do you think he regrets shaking hands with Peter & Richard? I very much doubt it.
Also, Piers last night was a d**k with that cash and carry guy. As Duncan said, if you wasn't going to invest then why bother picking it apart? JUst don't bother