M.J. would have died regardless...

16caerhos16caerhos Posts: 2,533
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He was an addict, he would have died with or without Murray's help! Michael demanded the propofol and Murray supplied it.

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  • bryemycazbryemycaz Posts: 11,737
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    I agree but I suppose it comes down to the Position of trust. If MJ had bought it from a dealer. It would have gone down as another tragic overdose.

    Id like Jim Morrison, Janice Joplins, Kurt Cobains, Keith Moon and Jimi Hendrix's suppliers to have been tried for Manslaughter but they were supplied by a faceless dealer.
  • CRMCRM Posts: 11,881
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    If Conrad Murray hadn't provided the drugs, another doctor would have. He was only administering what his "patient" wanted. The Jackson family (Jermaine in particular) need to stop their pathetic denial of who Michael was around this time - a junkie.
  • CroctacusCroctacus Posts: 18,290
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    Given that Murray was o ly Jacksons dcctor for a few weeks I want to know why his previous doctors/supplierswerent also on trial because surely their actions were contributory factors. I think Murray was well and truly stitched up
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 662
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    Most definitely. All the people that are saying that there's been justice clearly are not aware of the meaning of the word.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 832
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    I agree, MJ was a seriously bad addict who wasn't going to live much longer and it's almost amazing he made it to 50 but if you are the unluckly bloke to give the fatal dose, you are in deep trouble in the american legal system. MJ could've died under the care of any of the previous doctor (Drug dealers) but it was Conrad's unlucky day. I think you need to look at it as if MJ was your son, and he died that way, would you not want the person who gave him the fatal dose held responsible?

    I personally think MJ may have been a hopeless addict, someone who would not have stopped, but we don't know that factually.

    Should a doctor be allowed to provide illegal propofol in your home and administer it to you without the proper conditions to make you, hypothetically the addict, happy? You have to be kidding.
  • gladiator18gladiator18 Posts: 3,325
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    Agreed! feel sorry for the bloke, dont see why sky news keep showing this, id like to see other news.
  • EaglestrikerEaglestriker Posts: 3,559
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    I agree. Conrad might have lost his job if he refused MJ the drugs but would have (and has, quite rightly) lost his licence if he submitted.

    What he did was wrong but his portrayal by MJ's fans, family and the media of him being a cold-hearted killer is very silly.

    Listening to the MJ recording, he was clearly on the path to death.
  • Richard1960Richard1960 Posts: 20,340
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    Croctacus wrote: »
    Given that Murray was o ly Jacksons dcctor for a few weeks I want to know why his previous doctors/supplierswerent also on trial because surely their actions were contributory factors. I think Murray was well and truly stitched up

    i agree.

    And where i wonder were Michael Jacksons "caring" family at the time of his death he was obviously ill,being addicted to drugs as he was,in the trial they are seen everywhere except at the time of his death he was alone with just the doctor present.
  • goldieloxgoldielox Posts: 8,425
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    carlkyle wrote: »
    I agree, MJ was a seriously bad addict who wasn't going to live much longer and it's almost amazing he made it to 50 but if you are the unluckly bloke to give the fatal dose, you are in deep trouble in the american legal system. MJ could've died under the care of any of the previous doctor (Drug dealers) but it was Conrad's unlucky day. I think you need to look at it as if MJ was your son, and he died that way, would you not want the person who gave him the fatal dose held responsible?

    I personally think MJ may have been a hopeless addict, someone who would not have stopped, but we don't know that factually.

    Should a doctor be allowed to provide illegal propofol in your home and administer it to you without the proper conditions to make you, hypothetically the addict, happy? You have to be kidding.

    Really? Perhaps in that case you can enlighten us all as to why the autopsy revealed he was a relatively healthy 50 year old man with no physical signs of long term drug abuse. Not one sign.
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    goldielox wrote: »
    Really? Perhaps in that case you can enlighten us all as to why the autopsy revealed he was a relatively healthy 50 year old man with no physical signs of long term drug abuse. Not one sign.

    We are talking about dying from overdose, not failure of organs due to drug abuse. If they had pulled one strand of his hair, they could tell the number of drugs he had done over the months. He admitted to a very serious addiction in 1993 if you recall and the number of prescription drugs on his table near the bed where he died. So a healthy 50 year old male would be on all those prescriptions? He was a major drug addict, that's a pretty much an established fact. His risk of dying was from overdose as with many drug addicts and mixing of the drugs is ever so dangerous, like mixing his pain killers with propofol, incredibly dangerous combination.

    It's been factually stated by more than one medical expert, MJ could no longer sleep without propofol. What a weird thing to be addicted to, and it doesn't help you sleep anyway. Anyone who doesn't believe MJ was a drug addict is in denial.

    How much did he weigh at the time of his death? That's the picture of health? Why do you think he weighed so little, not the drugs?
  • vampirekvampirek Posts: 4,022
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    End of the day it doesn't matter what Jackson demanded from Conrad Murray. Murray was a Doctor and should follow the strict rules that apply to it, he should have refused (if he lost his job due to it, he should have resigned and not gained like he did). Simple as. Each profession be it a Doctor, a Lawyer, Judge and so on have certain codes, Conrad Murray broke those and even the Defence admitted this. Murray was responsible for the death for acting in an unprofessional way. There were many steps Conrad Murray should have taken that would more than likely result in Jackson being alive today. Had a reasonable Doctor been there instead of him, its a more likely outcome we wouldn't be talking about Jackson in the past tense.
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    Of course, Conrad Murray was left holding the bag so to speak. I still can't believe some fans deny Michael was a chronic drug addict.
  • i4ui4u Posts: 54,911
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    I agree. Conrad might have lost his job if he refused MJ the drugs but would have (and has, quite rightly) lost his licence if he submitted.

    What he did was wrong but his portrayal by MJ's fans, family and the media of him being a cold-hearted killer is very silly.

    Listening to the MJ recording, he was clearly on the path to death.

    I don't think it's a secret Michael didn't trust his family, hence his will only including his mother and children?

    As for fans, they need someone to put all the blame on so they can ignore the evidence that Michael was a deceitful, manipulative liar.
  • i4ui4u Posts: 54,911
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    vampirek wrote: »
    End of the day it doesn't matter what Jackson demanded from Conrad Murray. Murray was a Doctor and should follow the strict rules that apply to it, he should have refused (if he lost his job due to it, he should have resigned and not gained like he did). Simple as. Each profession be it a Doctor, a Lawyer, Judge and so on have certain codes, Conrad Murray broke those and even the Defence admitted this. Murray was responsible for the death for acting in an unprofessional way. There were many steps Conrad Murray should have taken that would more than likely result in Jackson being alive today. Had a reasonable Doctor been there instead of him, its a more likely outcome we wouldn't be talking about Jackson in the past tense.

    Michael didn't want a decent honest people around him, go back to 1993 he employed a crimminal thug Anthony Pellicano to 'negotiate' a deal with the family of child who'd slept with Michael.

    In 2004 employed Marc Schaffel to make a rebuttal video re child molestation accusations, a man Michael knew was a 'maker of pornagraphic gay films' and who Michael called a swindler.

    He chose Dr Murray, he chose to offer large sums of money to get what he wanted, therefore he chose to live in a very corrupt world of his own making.

    If Murray had said no, does anyone seriously believe Michael would not have continued in his quest for Propofol and may even had died from it's use earlier than June 25 2009.

    Michael must have lied on numerous occassions to some of his closest friends and families, Michael died knowing he'd allowed his children to carry the oxygen tanks to his room which enabled him to be administered Propofol, the drug of his choice.
  • Miss_MooMiss_Moo Posts: 8,997
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    Why are the media making a big deal of CM having children with different women and not paying for them and not commenting on the fact that MJ was a drug addict and was responsible for three children?
  • *Sparkle**Sparkle* Posts: 10,957
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    Murray was responsible for his own actions, but clearly Michael had been a drug addict for long before Murray took over, so I would argue that any of his doctors of recent years who didn't challenge him properly on it was also responsible, as was Michael himself. I'd also suggest that those who went ahead with ridiculous plastic surgery had a lot to answer for too.
  • iseloidiseloid Posts: 9,392
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    so its ok to give an addict more drugs, drugs which should never leave surgery? lol. murray deserved it. if he was fool enough to demand a huge salary p/a, then he should do his job. help the man off the damn drugs for 150k a month. honestly. help the man through his issues. didnt have a childhood, and seeked it throughout his adult life. so murray knew who michael was. why didnt he help him?
  • angelafisherangelafisher Posts: 4,150
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    Croctacus wrote: »
    Given that Murray was o ly Jacksons dcctor for a few weeks I want to know why his previous doctors/supplierswerent also on trial because surely their actions were contributory factors. I think Murray was well and truly stitched up

    I totally agree.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,328
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    What a stupid thread....well we will never know will we?!?:confused:
  • Richard1960Richard1960 Posts: 20,340
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    Taboo wrote: »
    What a stupid thread....well we will never know will we?!?:confused:

    What we do know however is he was addicted to prescription painkillers and addicts usualy succumb to death do they not.?

    So why is it a stupid thread quite reasonable in my view.
  • i4ui4u Posts: 54,911
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    iseloid wrote: »
    so its ok to give an addict more drugs, drugs which should never leave surgery? lol. murray deserved it. if he was fool enough to demand a huge salary p/a, then he should do his job. help the man off the damn drugs for 150k a month. honestly. help the man through his issues. didnt have a childhood, and seeked it throughout his adult life. so murray knew who michael was. why didnt he help him?

    The evidence was clear, Michael did not want to get off the drug...hence he offered to pay large sums, or should I say Michael conned AEG into paying for his drugs.

    Surely Michael had some say in demanding Dr Murray be on the payroll, it's not as if Murray could walk in and demand to be his doctor.

    I think you'll find Michael suggested the sum of $5m but he wasn't picking up the tab. Even so, AEG must have felt Murray was worth almost £2m.
  • i4ui4u Posts: 54,911
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    Taboo wrote: »
    What a stupid thread....well we will never know will we?!?:confused:

    I saw Matt Blank from the Michael Jackson World Network fan club, stupidly assert if Michael hadn't met Murray he'd be alive today.:rolleyes:

    In evidence, the day after Murray had ordered Propofol Michael was on the phone to Dr Metzer re Propofol, the following day he was on the phone to Cherilyn Lee saying he'd pay anything for 'Propofol', that it was safe to use.
  • Andy2Andy2 Posts: 11,948
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    I agree with the OP and I reckon the doctor is getting 'the treatment' just because it was MJ who died on his watch. OK, his attempts at resucitation were cack-handed and perhaps MJ would have lived if he had done a better job, but let's face it, MJ was on the downhill slope to some kind of early death anyway. He was paying handsomely to get his uppers & downers and the outcome was inevitable.
  • MiniMeTooMiniMeToo Posts: 17,674
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    the guy is guilty, it was his action that killed Michael, the drug he gave him should never had been given, the Dr's only interest was in how much money he could make, nothing more.
  • InspirationInspiration Posts: 62,702
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    MJ had been hooked on drugs since the day his hair caught fire according to some so you'd have a lot of people and doctors in the dock if you wanted to work out who helped him with his addictions.
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