What the f*** was Britain's most famous nonce doing amongst other prisoners? Surely that's a huge security lapse?:o
He's on a Sex Offenders wing but a long term prisoner also on that wing took exception to him being there. Well he is probably just as bad as him. However thinks hes a hard man, nothing to be celebrated or congratulated for.
He's on a Sex Offenders wing but a long term prisoner also on that wing took exception to him being there. Well he is probably just as bad as him. However thinks hes a hard man, nothing to be celebrated or congratulated for.
"How dare they put that Gadd nonce amongst us good honest rapists?!"
"How dare they put that Gadd nonce amongst us good honest rapists?!"
Strange as it may seem, there is a fairly rigid lowerarchy of notoriety amongst sex offenders. Rapists are low, rapists of under 16's are lower, and rapists of under 13's are lower still. But the very bottom of the pile is reserved for those who drug their victims. They really are utterly despised.
(My partner is a prison officer, and I'm a trainee solicitor.)
Strange as it may seem, there is a fairly rigid lowerarchy of notoriety amongst sex offenders. Rapists are low, rapists of under 16's are lower, and rapists of under 13's are lower still. But the very bottom of the pile is reserved for those who drug their victims. They really are utterly despised.
(My partner is a prison officer, and I'm a trainee solicitor.)
I guess everyone needs somebody they can feel superior to.
Why are those who drug their victims at the bottom? It could be argued that being unconscious spares them at least some trauma compared to other attacks.
I guess everyone needs somebody they can feel superior to.
Why are those who drug their victims at the bottom? It could be argued that being unconscious spares them at least some trauma compared to other attacks.
Hmm. Wouldn't really like to speculate. But I will, anyway. Perhaps they see it as equivalent to "cheating"? Can't charm, dominate, bully or use violence against the victim, so they resort to removing the victim's agency from the equation?
I think he's going to get something like 16 years: 13 for sexual intercourse with an under 13yo, 8 years for attempted rape, 2 years for each indecent assault. The first sentence will run concurrently with the next 5, which will run consecutively.
But at his age, that's probably life anyway. He will probably start his prison career in a B Cat "local", where he will be on the vulnerable prisoners' wing for several months, maybe even a couple of years. He may even be in solitary for some time, for his own protection. He will then be eligible to transfer to a C Cat "specialist" prison which has treatment programmes for sex offenders. There are a handful of these. He won't go to one of the "soft" ones, though - they are reserved for sex offenders who have accepted their guilt. Someone who is in denial won't be eligible - and even if he later comes to accept his guilt he will have to go on a waiting list: the "soft" C Cats are full and will always give priority to offenders who have shown remorse and genuinely acknowledged their crimes from the outset. Towards the end of his sentence, usually the last couple of years, he might be transferred to a D Cat "open", but only if i) they think that he isn't a high risk, and ii) they think that there isn't a high risk to him.
So I'd say he will spend 2 years in a B Cat, 4-6 years in a C Cat, and maybe 2 years in a D Cat. He won't be released until he's 78-79. He is apparently quite frail with heart problems, so there's a reasonable chance that he will be leaving prison in a box.
I think he's going to get something like 16 years: 13 for sexual intercourse with an under 13yo, 8 years for attempted rape, 2 years for each indecent assault. The first sentence will run concurrently with the next 5, which will run consecutively.
But at his age, that's probably life anyway. He will probably start his prison career in a B Cat "local", where he will be on the vulnerable prisoners' wing for several months, maybe even a couple of years. He may even be in solitary for some time, for his own protection. He will then be eligible to transfer to a C Cat "specialist" prison which has treatment programmes for sex offenders. There are a handful of these. He won't go to one of the "soft" ones, though - they are reserved for sex offenders who have accepted their guilt. Someone who is in denial won't be eligible - and even if he later comes to accept his guilt he will have to go on a waiting list: the "soft" C Cats are full and will always give priority to offenders who have shown remorse and genuinely acknowledged their crimes from the outset. Towards the end of his sentence, usually the last couple of years, he might be transferred to a D Cat "open", but only if i) they think that he isn't a high risk, and ii) they think that there isn't a high risk to him.
So I'd say he will spend 2 years in a B Cat, 4-6 years in a C Cat, and maybe 2 years in a D Cat. He won't be released until he's 78-79. He is apparently quite frail with heart problems, so there's a reasonable chance that he will be leaving prison in a box.
These ones are. He is due to be sentenced tomorrow for these offences (as fas as I remember anyway). He may also have to stand trial on other offences but that won't delay the start of the sentence for this batch. Same thing with Stuart Hall - he was produced to court for subsequent offences, leading to his effective jail-time being kicked up a notch.
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He's on a Sex Offenders wing but a long term prisoner also on that wing took exception to him being there. Well he is probably just as bad as him. However thinks hes a hard man, nothing to be celebrated or congratulated for.
Strange as it may seem, there is a fairly rigid lowerarchy of notoriety amongst sex offenders. Rapists are low, rapists of under 16's are lower, and rapists of under 13's are lower still. But the very bottom of the pile is reserved for those who drug their victims. They really are utterly despised.
(My partner is a prison officer, and I'm a trainee solicitor.)
I guess everyone needs somebody they can feel superior to.
Why are those who drug their victims at the bottom? It could be argued that being unconscious spares them at least some trauma compared to other attacks.
Hmm. Wouldn't really like to speculate. But I will, anyway. Perhaps they see it as equivalent to "cheating"? Can't charm, dominate, bully or use violence against the victim, so they resort to removing the victim's agency from the equation?
I think he's going to get something like 16 years: 13 for sexual intercourse with an under 13yo, 8 years for attempted rape, 2 years for each indecent assault. The first sentence will run concurrently with the next 5, which will run consecutively.
But at his age, that's probably life anyway. He will probably start his prison career in a B Cat "local", where he will be on the vulnerable prisoners' wing for several months, maybe even a couple of years. He may even be in solitary for some time, for his own protection. He will then be eligible to transfer to a C Cat "specialist" prison which has treatment programmes for sex offenders. There are a handful of these. He won't go to one of the "soft" ones, though - they are reserved for sex offenders who have accepted their guilt. Someone who is in denial won't be eligible - and even if he later comes to accept his guilt he will have to go on a waiting list: the "soft" C Cats are full and will always give priority to offenders who have shown remorse and genuinely acknowledged their crimes from the outset. Towards the end of his sentence, usually the last couple of years, he might be transferred to a D Cat "open", but only if i) they think that he isn't a high risk, and ii) they think that there isn't a high risk to him.
So I'd say he will spend 2 years in a B Cat, 4-6 years in a C Cat, and maybe 2 years in a D Cat. He won't be released until he's 78-79. He is apparently quite frail with heart problems, so there's a reasonable chance that he will be leaving prison in a box.
Really???
These ones are. He is due to be sentenced tomorrow for these offences (as fas as I remember anyway). He may also have to stand trial on other offences but that won't delay the start of the sentence for this batch. Same thing with Stuart Hall - he was produced to court for subsequent offences, leading to his effective jail-time being kicked up a notch.
No danger of that, with these crimes.
Let's hope so.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31657929
He may see freedom again, but that's a long stretch considering he's got health problems
Good.
His victims got a life sentence though.
Bet he won't be singing "I'm the leader of the Gang."
It is good to know that these sickos are finally getting their comeuppance.
And why he got fans at the court??
Because some people are in denial.