I do not think that is what I was saying - but for God's sake Toby is twenty six and an intensive care doctor - he got jaded long before retirement and is barely out of medical school.
Get real - it is nauseating that these guys get the best of an education in a privileged profession and then chuck it in for what?
It literally makes me sick the way we have doctors on Masterchef pouring their hearts and minds out and wanting to give up their training to become chefs.
Toby is the latest one to want to go - this time from intensive care to frying up pig innards for a living.
Could they not have left school at sixteen and gain experience in kitchen, instead of taking tax payers money.
God help us if we are ever in the hands of these would be chefs whilst on the operating table.:mad:
Good news Louise.
Gordon Ramsey is disenchanted with the cheffing world so is looking to retrain as a brain surgeon. Heston is fed up with life at the Fat Duck so is going into gyne and Michelle Roux Jnr is qualifying as and ear,nose and throat specialist.
They would be able to solve many of the NHS treatment problems, as they would all have a cure for any patient - most probably coated in salt and herbs for 12 hours, ideally overnight, as this seems to be a pretty well the perfect cure on cookery programmes, although it might leave the patient very tender and raw after. It would also cost a fraction of the normal NHS treatment.
It annoys me on a personal level because I'm one of the many, many people who applied for medical school but didn't get in as it is massively over-subscribed and is down to luck as much as anything else. Those places are precious and for someone to take it and then jack it in after a few years is very irritating.
But it's not my life and perhaps if I had got in, I would have hated it and changed my career path too. None of us are in a position to judge.
I am not sure where you got that statistic that 30% of qualified medics drop out of medicine. My parter is a medic so I have some idea about the medical profession and I have never seen any verified statistic showing that kind of fall out rate. I would put it nearer 10% or less. There is a small drop out rate. Some after a few months in University when some students realise that they can't cope and a few at the FY years. After that a fair few women will take time out to have a family but most come back, even if it is only part time. I would be intrigued to know where you got your very large, 30% figure from.
As for paying for the medical course. You are wrong about it costing the individual £100k. I know that for a fact because I know what it cost us. Yes, it does cost about £100k to train a doctor but even the highest fees at a medical school for a UK resident are only £9k a year. It is much less in Scotland. So over 5 years thats £45k, not £100k. The rest is subsidised by the government. The cost is more if you are a foreign (non EU) student.
No the number who drop out from beginning to starting the course through to career and changing career is about 30%, though somewhere between 10-15% once qualified.
£100k figure, it's around £9,500 pa actually, some courses are six years and if you intercalate the length goes up by another year. Factor in then books and learning materials, living, food, bills and the figure easily doubles for the entire duration. All of which now has to be covered by the student.
I think you need to get off your high horse, why not sit down and watch a nice cookery programme, dear, with your "medic" boyfriend.
It literally makes me sick the way we have doctors on Masterchef pouring their hearts and minds out and wanting to give up their training to become chefs.
Toby is the latest one to want to go - this time from intensive care to frying up pig innards for a living.
Could they not have left school at sixteen and gain experience in kitchen, instead of taking tax payers money.
God help us if we are ever in the hands of these would be chefs whilst on the operating table.:mad:
Have you considered the remote possibility that maybe the NHS isn't doing enough to keep them in the profession? People are allowed a career change.
Jo Brand used to be a Psychiatric Nurse, Clive Anderson is a Barrister, Bob Mortimer is a Solicitor......They all went down one path thinking that was where their future lay, and then they changed their minds, for whatever reason.
Why would you spend years qualifying as a doctor if you always wanted to be a stand up comedian?
Get over it. It's allowed and it doesn't mean they were taking the p*** when they started on their original career path. Stuff changes
It's all right he went out, back to the day job down the hospital.
Not sure anybody in the history of Masterchef has actually gone on to make a career out of cookery, most probably went back to their original jobs.
Loads have. Thomasina has been phenomenally succesful, several others have restaurants or work in very good restaurants and Stacey is currently on Food Glorious Food.
What about all those female doctors who go off and have babies? Most don't return to the profession, and of those that do return, they only come back part time.
It literally makes me sick the way we have doctors on Masterchef pouring their hearts and minds out and wanting to give up their training to become chefs.
Toby is the latest one to want to go - this time from intensive care to frying up pig innards for a living.
Could they not have left school at sixteen and gain experience in kitchen, instead of taking tax payers money.
God help us if we are ever in the hands of these would be chefs whilst on the operating table.:mad:
Best get yourself to a doctor then.
What about solicitors? There was one of them on Masterchef last week.
What about all those female doctors who go off and have babies? Most don't return to the profession, and of those that do return, they only come back part time.
Do they literally make you sick as well?
Not really - they have a hard choice to make - bringing up their beloved children without handing them over to childminders - most of them probably married other wealthy doctors so might have the lovely luxury of staying at home with their kids - that is a far cry away from pissing hundreds and thousands of pounds of taxpayers money up the wall.:mad:
What about solicitors? There was one of them on Masterchef last week.
Apologies for the wrong use of literally.
What I meant was it figuratively makes me puke that NHS money is being used to educate time wasters and that somewhere along the line those time wasters might have you and me in their expert hands.
What I meant was it figuratively makes me puke that NHS money is being used to educate time wasters and that somewhere along the line those time wasters might have you and me in their expert hands.
You really should put a (three times fried) chip on the other shoulder to balance the one you clearly already have.
They're not time wasters. They started off wanting to be doctors and changed their minds, possibly because the medical profession didn't do enough to keep them.
I take it you've never changed your mind about anything?
You really should put a (three times fried) chip on the other shoulder to balance the one you clearly already have.
They're not time wasters. They started off wanting to be doctors and changed their minds, possibly because the medical profession didn't do enough to keep them.
I take it you've never changed your mind about anything?
Maybe you are right - I do have a chip on my shoulder about lack lustre professionals in the NHS- all I can say is I wish they had made their chef-orientated choices earlier in their over privileged lives.
Actually over 30% of medics quit medicine after qualifying. It is something many have to go through to realise it's not what they want after all.
The UK taxpayer hasn't been paying for their training and tuition for several years now and indeed with it now costing around £100k to go through med school with fee hikes the decision to quit is I'm sure not taken lightly.
But above all this thread is moronic. The OP may be better off with the commentary boxes on the Daily Mail site, outraged of Tunbridge Wells, the mother ship is calling you home.
You know, I didn't agree with the OP's comment but it was a good thread with some incisive comments and some real humour and genuine debate,.
And then along comes your name calling post. Okay, you don't like the OP's opinion. Debate it. Use the power of eloquence, but don't call a fellow poster a moron
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I think nearly every winner's gone on to a career in food at least 2 have opened their own places, quite a few of the finalists have as well
BIB: Didn't it say he was 35?
Good news Louise.
Gordon Ramsey is disenchanted with the cheffing world so is looking to retrain as a brain surgeon. Heston is fed up with life at the Fat Duck so is going into gyne and Michelle Roux Jnr is qualifying as and ear,nose and throat specialist.
They would be able to solve many of the NHS treatment problems, as they would all have a cure for any patient - most probably coated in salt and herbs for 12 hours, ideally overnight, as this seems to be a pretty well the perfect cure on cookery programmes, although it might leave the patient very tender and raw after. It would also cost a fraction of the normal NHS treatment.
But it's not my life and perhaps if I had got in, I would have hated it and changed my career path too. None of us are in a position to judge.
I know, I was surprised by that. Medical doctor for 6 years apparently
Lee nelson is not real. :rolleyes:
OK Simon Brodkin then for clarity;)
No the number who drop out from beginning to starting the course through to career and changing career is about 30%, though somewhere between 10-15% once qualified.
£100k figure, it's around £9,500 pa actually, some courses are six years and if you intercalate the length goes up by another year. Factor in then books and learning materials, living, food, bills and the figure easily doubles for the entire duration. All of which now has to be covered by the student.
I think you need to get off your high horse, why not sit down and watch a nice cookery programme, dear, with your "medic" boyfriend.
Have you considered the remote possibility that maybe the NHS isn't doing enough to keep them in the profession? People are allowed a career change.
Jo Brand used to be a Psychiatric Nurse, Clive Anderson is a Barrister, Bob Mortimer is a Solicitor......They all went down one path thinking that was where their future lay, and then they changed their minds, for whatever reason.
Why would you spend years qualifying as a doctor if you always wanted to be a stand up comedian?
Get over it. It's allowed and it doesn't mean they were taking the p*** when they started on their original career path. Stuff changes
Loads have. Thomasina has been phenomenally succesful, several others have restaurants or work in very good restaurants and Stacey is currently on Food Glorious Food.
Do they literally make you sick as well?
Best get yourself to a doctor then.
What about solicitors? There was one of them on Masterchef last week.
And James Nathan gave up his career as a barrister to win Masterchef and now works for RIck Stein in Padstow
Not really - they have a hard choice to make - bringing up their beloved children without handing them over to childminders - most of them probably married other wealthy doctors so might have the lovely luxury of staying at home with their kids - that is a far cry away from pissing hundreds and thousands of pounds of taxpayers money up the wall.:mad:
Apologies for the wrong use of literally.
What I meant was it figuratively makes me puke that NHS money is being used to educate time wasters and that somewhere along the line those time wasters might have you and me in their expert hands.
You really should put a (three times fried) chip on the other shoulder to balance the one you clearly already have.
They're not time wasters. They started off wanting to be doctors and changed their minds, possibly because the medical profession didn't do enough to keep them.
I take it you've never changed your mind about anything?
Maybe you are right - I do have a chip on my shoulder about lack lustre professionals in the NHS- all I can say is I wish they had made their chef-orientated choices earlier in their over privileged lives.
You know, I didn't agree with the OP's comment but it was a good thread with some incisive comments and some real humour and genuine debate,.
And then along comes your name calling post. Okay, you don't like the OP's opinion. Debate it. Use the power of eloquence, but don't call a fellow poster a moron
Anyone know what Dhruv and Selina are doing?
Matt Follas now has two restaurants in Dorset