You will find most BNP voters are ex Labour. It's Labour areas where they poll well.
Where do you find that stunning piece of political analysis ? I think most people who vote BNP struggle with putting one foot in front of another, never mind voting.
Where do you find that stunning piece of political analysis ? I think most people who vote BNP struggle with putting one foot in front of another, never mind ....
Maybe because when the BNP won seats they were in solid Labour areas like Barking and Dagenham, Stoke, Sunderland! Burnley etc etc and not in Richmond upon Thames or Dorset. Just an observation.
Its so easy to sneer and belittle people who clearly are experiencing such a desperate struggle with life they end up being forced to turn to the BNP because the mainstream parties have ignored them or treat them as if they don't exist.
Maybe a little more understanding and a bit less sneering might be useful!
Let's be honest, UKIP have the 'luxury' of not actually having any MPs at the moment. Their MEPs (the few that are left in the party that is) are just as guilty of electoral sleaze as any other far right group are. If UKIP (heaven forfend) had any MPs, given the behaviour of their councillors - who are not exactly beacons of moral rectitude or keeping their mouth shut - they would also have their snouts in the trough.
UKIP Cambridgeshire county councillor Gordon Gillick 'deeply sorry' as probe into claim he called children in care 'takers' from society finds him guilty of breaching code of conduct
A UKIP councillor accused of branding children in care “takers” from society said he was “deeply sorry” after an investigation found him guilty of breaching the members’ code of conduct.
Cllr Gordon Gillick failed to treat three looked-after teenagers visiting Shire Hall for a training session with respect and brought Cambridgeshire County Council into disrepute, the probe concluded.
Cllr Gillick’s outburst on November 6 during the session on safeguarding children triggered a complaint on behalf of the three teenagers, another on behalf of nine councillors who were present, and four complaints from members of the public.
Investigator Steve Tinkler said Cllr Gillick had first interjected when Niki Clemo, the children’s social care director, was speaking about court hearings involved looked-after children, allegedly shouting: “These are secret courts aren’t they, come on, tell us the truth.”
Cllr Gillick then spoke after the teenagers showed a film about their experiences, although Mr Tinkler said it was “impossible” to be sure of the exact wording.
The cross-party complaint claims Cllr Gillick said: “It was all very ‘me, me, me’ your film. What about your responsibilities – to work, to give back, for example. Can you tell us, how does it feel to be takers from the system?”
But the complaint from the teenagers claimed Cllr Gillick said: “It’s a funny world where young people are taught to take, take. That film was all about ‘me, me, me’, and that children should be taught to give.”
Douglas Denny, a Ukip member, thinks that gays are abnormal. In January, the Sunday Mirror noted his contribution to an online forum where he wrote: “What irritates me is the way they and their leftie, neo-Commie followers seem to want to force the rest of us to consider them as normal. I just wish they would keep their homosexual nature and practices to themselves.”
Since then, he has been adopted as a Ukip candidate for a place on Portsmouth City Council, and has explained to the Portsmouth News that his online comments were “taken out of context” – of course – that he is not anti-homosexual – heavens, no – and that he does not believe in discrimination. It is just that he believes gays are “abnormal” in the sense that they are a minority, and objects to their claiming to be normal. To quote his precise words: “I wish that they wouldn’t try to keep ramming it down my throat.”
Oh dear, is that what they have been trying to do? No wonder the poor man is distressed.
Maybe because when the BNP won seats they were in solid Labour areas like Barking and Dagenham, Stoke, Sunderland! Burnley etc etc and not in Richmond upon Thames or Dorset. Just an observation.
Its so easy to sneer and belittle people who clearly are experiencing such a desperate struggle with life they end up being forced to turn to the BNP because the mainstream parties have ignored them or treat them as if they don't exist.
Maybe a little more understanding and a bit less sneering might be useful!
I think the BNP trade on hate and fear and exploit this. The BNP won in rock solid Lib Dem and Tory areas like Epping Forest and Three Rivers as well - I guess that was due to disillusionment with non-existent Labour Councils ? Frankly, I have nothing but contempt for anyone who vote for a holocaust denying, prejudiced bunch of ill-educated thugs in suits - BNP - Bloody Nasty People. Saying I should sympathise with them is like saying I should sympathise for people who have voted for far right oppressive regimes the world over
I think the BNP trade on hate and fear and exploit this. The BNP won in rock solid Lib Dem and Tory areas like Epping Forest and Three Rivers as well - I guess that was due to disillusionment with non-existent Labour Councils ? http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/hate-groups/bnp/councillors
Given that you are such an expert - do you know which bits of Epping Forest District they won seats in? The Debden area - a traditionally Labour area full of social housing. Buckhurst Hill it aint!
And yes they did win a seat in Three Rivers - in the Ashridge ward which has traditionally voted Labour and is now represented by two Labour councillors.
And who was in national government at the time - Labour!
And who therefore were these ex Labour BNP converts - probably on low wages/unemployed, probably with housing problems and other challenges in life. So rather than sneering at these people in your so superior trendy lefty tone - you might actually take time to consider why they felt this way. Cos by recognising it - and addressing it - might actually stop these people voting BNP in future!
It is just that he believes gays are “abnormal” in the sense that they are a minority, and objects to their claiming to be normal. To quote his precise words: “I wish that they wouldn’t try to keep ramming it down my throat.”
The adjective "normal" is defined as conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. It's whatever the majority does within a particular group.
If 51% of people were born with one leg, then they would be classed as normal while the other 49% with two legs would be disadvantaged; had the world evolved catering for the majority. The behaviour of the 49% would be deemed abnormal for the 100%, but normal within the 49%.
Taking the population as a whole any behaviour of a minority is correctly deemed to be abnormal, but not necessarily wrong.
The adjective "normal" is defined as conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. It's whatever the majority does within a particular group.
If 51% of people were born with one leg, then they would be classed as normal while the other 49% with two legs would be disadvantaged; had the world evolved catering for the majority. The behaviour of the 49% would be deemed abnormal for the 100%, but normal within the 49%.
Taking the population as a whole any behaviour of a minority is correctly deemed to be abnormal, but not necessarily wrong.
Let's be honest, UKIP have the 'luxury' of not actually having any MPs at the moment. Their MEPs (the few that are left in the party that is) are just as guilty of electoral sleaze as any other far right group are.
My weekly personal opinion has just been published:
UKIP 36 (+2.9)
Green 30 (-3)
Bob Crow's Left Alliance 22 (+3)
Offical Monster Raving Loony Party 5.9 (New entry)
Lib Dems 3 (-9.9)
Labour 3 (+3)
Conservatives 1 (-2)
BNP 0.1 (+0.1)
I like it:D, but unusual split there between UKIP and Greens. I would consider them to be opposite sides of the spectrum, on just about every policy. From immigration to Climate Change
I like it:D, but unusual split there between UKIP and Greens. I would consider them to be opposite sides of the spectrum, on just about every policy. From immigration to Climate Change
Yes - you are quite right. That is, unless you are completely wrong.
(I have just technically rebalanced the figures in the OP as I remembered Labour had Minus 1 last time)
Good to see UKIP are up in the polls, on a nice 20% now, :
About the same as in the run up to the May 2009 UK EU parliamentary elections. In those elections, UKIP got 17% of the popular vote. And 19% of the seats.
My prediction for the May 2015 general election: UKIP with the largest party by popular votes - without parliamentary representation. Just like in 2010.
About the same as in the run up to the May 2009 UK EU parliamentary elections. In those elections, UKIP got 17% of the popular vote. And 19% of the seats.
My prediction for the May 2015 general election: UKIP with the largest party by popular votes - without parliamentary representation. Just like in 2010.
nah i think Farage will definitely get a seat and reckon Diane James could go one better at Eastleigh next time. Hopefully the people who wasted their vote on Tory will realise that UKIP is the way go if they want to get rid of the Lib Dems. Other than that you are probably right about the rest, with lot's of 2nds and 3rds. We need PR!
No way would I vote BNP, but if you think they are extreme, have a look at this lot! http://www.britainfirst.org/
The reason I won't be voting for the 3 main parties is that I voted for them for the last 40 years and they did very little for me.
So it's UKIP for me for the foreseeable future.
You might think they are bad , but I think the Muslim people they confront at demos are much worse . Terrorists walking the streets after 4 years in jail, the Muslim guy calling the English protesters racist , because in his words , they are holding union jack flags . We need some one here in UK like Marine Le Pen , she knows what she is talking about and she commands respect .
You might think they are bad , but I think the Muslim people they confront at demos are much worse . Terrorists walking the streets after 4 years in jail, the Muslim guy calling the English protesters racist , because in his words , they are holding union jack flags . We need some one here in UK like Marine Le Pen , she knows what she is talking about and she commands respect .
And she may win both/either the next French Parliamentary elections and/or the presidential election....but they may find a reason to incarcerate her befor that, that's what the other parties would like.
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Where do you find that stunning piece of political analysis ? I think most people who vote BNP struggle with putting one foot in front of another, never mind voting.
Remind me again how many councils UKIP control....
Maybe because when the BNP won seats they were in solid Labour areas like Barking and Dagenham, Stoke, Sunderland! Burnley etc etc and not in Richmond upon Thames or Dorset. Just an observation.
Its so easy to sneer and belittle people who clearly are experiencing such a desperate struggle with life they end up being forced to turn to the BNP because the mainstream parties have ignored them or treat them as if they don't exist.
Maybe a little more understanding and a bit less sneering might be useful!
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Cambridgeshire-county-councillor-Gordon-Gillick-deeply-sorry-as-probe-into-claim-he-called-children-in-care-takers-from-society-finds-him-guilty-of-breaching-code-of-conduct-20140412073000.htm
UKIP Cambridgeshire county councillor Gordon Gillick 'deeply sorry' as probe into claim he called children in care 'takers' from society finds him guilty of breaching code of conduct
A UKIP councillor accused of branding children in care “takers” from society said he was “deeply sorry” after an investigation found him guilty of breaching the members’ code of conduct.
Cllr Gordon Gillick failed to treat three looked-after teenagers visiting Shire Hall for a training session with respect and brought Cambridgeshire County Council into disrepute, the probe concluded.
Cllr Gillick’s outburst on November 6 during the session on safeguarding children triggered a complaint on behalf of the three teenagers, another on behalf of nine councillors who were present, and four complaints from members of the public.
Investigator Steve Tinkler said Cllr Gillick had first interjected when Niki Clemo, the children’s social care director, was speaking about court hearings involved looked-after children, allegedly shouting: “These are secret courts aren’t they, come on, tell us the truth.”
Cllr Gillick then spoke after the teenagers showed a film about their experiences, although Mr Tinkler said it was “impossible” to be sure of the exact wording.
The cross-party complaint claims Cllr Gillick said: “It was all very ‘me, me, me’ your film. What about your responsibilities – to work, to give back, for example. Can you tell us, how does it feel to be takers from the system?”
But the complaint from the teenagers claimed Cllr Gillick said: “It’s a funny world where young people are taught to take, take. That film was all about ‘me, me, me’, and that children should be taught to give.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andy-mcsmiths-diary-the-ukip-candidate-who-finds-gay-rights-hard-to-swallow-9249353.html
Douglas Denny, a Ukip member, thinks that gays are abnormal. In January, the Sunday Mirror noted his contribution to an online forum where he wrote: “What irritates me is the way they and their leftie, neo-Commie followers seem to want to force the rest of us to consider them as normal. I just wish they would keep their homosexual nature and practices to themselves.”
Since then, he has been adopted as a Ukip candidate for a place on Portsmouth City Council, and has explained to the Portsmouth News that his online comments were “taken out of context” – of course – that he is not anti-homosexual – heavens, no – and that he does not believe in discrimination. It is just that he believes gays are “abnormal” in the sense that they are a minority, and objects to their claiming to be normal. To quote his precise words: “I wish that they wouldn’t try to keep ramming it down my throat.”
Oh dear, is that what they have been trying to do? No wonder the poor man is distressed.
I think the BNP trade on hate and fear and exploit this. The BNP won in rock solid Lib Dem and Tory areas like Epping Forest and Three Rivers as well - I guess that was due to disillusionment with non-existent Labour Councils ? Frankly, I have nothing but contempt for anyone who vote for a holocaust denying, prejudiced bunch of ill-educated thugs in suits - BNP - Bloody Nasty People. Saying I should sympathise with them is like saying I should sympathise for people who have voted for far right oppressive regimes the world over
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/hate-groups/bnp/councillors
http://www.britainfirst.org/
The reason I won't be voting for the 3 main parties is that I voted for them for the last 40 years and they did very little for me.
So it's UKIP for me for the foreseeable future.
Given that you are such an expert - do you know which bits of Epping Forest District they won seats in? The Debden area - a traditionally Labour area full of social housing. Buckhurst Hill it aint!
And yes they did win a seat in Three Rivers - in the Ashridge ward which has traditionally voted Labour and is now represented by two Labour councillors.
And who was in national government at the time - Labour!
And who therefore were these ex Labour BNP converts - probably on low wages/unemployed, probably with housing problems and other challenges in life. So rather than sneering at these people in your so superior trendy lefty tone - you might actually take time to consider why they felt this way. Cos by recognising it - and addressing it - might actually stop these people voting BNP in future!
Indeed!
The adjective "normal" is defined as conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. It's whatever the majority does within a particular group.
If 51% of people were born with one leg, then they would be classed as normal while the other 49% with two legs would be disadvantaged; had the world evolved catering for the majority. The behaviour of the 49% would be deemed abnormal for the 100%, but normal within the 49%.
Taking the population as a whole any behaviour of a minority is correctly deemed to be abnormal, but not necessarily wrong.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-27020970
"An investigation into an alleged Islamic takeover plot of Birmingham schools has widened, with 25 schools now under the spotlight."
"Birmingham City Council leader Sir Albert Bore said it had spoken to local authorities in both Manchester and Bradford.
"There are certainly issues in Bradford which have similarities with the issues being spoken about in Birmingham"
Immigration - the subject the main parties won't talk about.
Not when used as an adjective:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=definition+of+normal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp&gfe_rd=cr&ei=nsFLU4zkIKPY8gf4soCYDw
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=definition+of+normal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp&gfe_rd=cr&ei=nsFLU4zkIKPY8gf4soCYDw#channel=np&q=definition+of+typical&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/April/Native-French-under-Attack-in-Muslim-Areas/
http://news.sky.com/story/1241625/ukip-poll-boost-tory-and-lib-dem-support-falls
Also it smacks of desperation that some people on here are still posting those silly local councillor stories.
That's if UKIP can be bothered to attend council meetings
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/tories-ukip-row-over-council-6433022
Or represent British interests in the EU parliament.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/85563e82-8f44-11e3-be85-00144feab7de.html#axzz2yrRrs3hI
UKIP are the laziest political party in the EU. Not my words, but a story from the Daily Express.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/405805/Nigel-Farage-defends-lunchtime-pint-as-UKIP-tops-LAZIEST-political-parties-in-Europe
My weekly personal opinion poll has just been published:
UKIP 36 (+2.9)
Green 30 (-3)
Bob Crow's Left Alliance 22 (+3)
Offical Monster Raving Loony Party 4.9 (New entry)
Lib Dems 3 (-9.9)
Labour 3 (+4)
Conservatives 1 (-2)
BNP 0.1 (+0.1)
No not censor, but to put things into perspective.
I like it:D, but unusual split there between UKIP and Greens. I would consider them to be opposite sides of the spectrum, on just about every policy. From immigration to Climate Change
Yes - you are quite right. That is, unless you are completely wrong.
(I have just technically rebalanced the figures in the OP as I remembered Labour had Minus 1 last time)
About the same as in the run up to the May 2009 UK EU parliamentary elections. In those elections, UKIP got 17% of the popular vote. And 19% of the seats.
My prediction for the May 2015 general election: UKIP with the largest party by popular votes - without parliamentary representation. Just like in 2010.
nah i think Farage will definitely get a seat and reckon Diane James could go one better at Eastleigh next time. Hopefully the people who wasted their vote on Tory will realise that UKIP is the way go if they want to get rid of the Lib Dems. Other than that you are probably right about the rest, with lot's of 2nds and 3rds. We need PR!
You might think they are bad , but I think the Muslim people they confront at demos are much worse . Terrorists walking the streets after 4 years in jail, the Muslim guy calling the English protesters racist , because in his words , they are holding union jack flags . We need some one here in UK like Marine Le Pen , she knows what she is talking about and she commands respect .
So did the Lib Dems.
But David Cameron offered the LibDems a referendum on the alternative vote - in return for supporting the Conservatives in government.
And she may win both/either the next French Parliamentary elections and/or the presidential election....but they may find a reason to incarcerate her befor that, that's what the other parties would like.