This is what the American people are getting fed. "Bashir: Suspected Boston Bombers Hurt 'Peace-Loving Religion' Of Islam."
Here's a small sampling of that peace, compassion and kindness:
"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter..." -- 2:191
"They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them..." -- 4:89
"Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle - nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning)." -- 7:179
"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies..." -- 8:60
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." -- 9:5
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." -- 9:29
"Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens..." -- 47:4
"Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures." -- 98:6
Here's a small sampling of that peace, compassion and kindness:
But how do you explain the actions of Muslims that are peaceful, compassionate and kind (despite any violent passages in the Koran)? Like the Imam who turned Boston Mosque into a disaster relief centre after the bombing and sent Muslim doctors to tend to the wounded? He will have read the same book as the bombers but he's a completely different type of person.
It's too simplistic to "blame" Islam for acts of violence and terror when there are also many Muslims out there doing good things. I think it's more about religion being exploited by people who have an agenda in order to justify their actions - and they prey on the weak, the disenfranchised, the socially excluded to join them.
But I don't think merely reading the Koran turns you into a violent individual anymore than watching a horror movie does.
OK, now that is interesting. If that were true this case starts to make a bit more sense. Elder brother is a psycho, knows he is likely going to get caught for murder sooner rather than later. He has general resentment against America in general for his lack of achievement academically there, failure to achieve boxing goals, maybe language issues, some slight(s) or embarassment(s) he experienced. He, with his mothers encouragement, winds himself up on Islamist preaching & jihadist videos from Chechnya/Dagestan, instills in himself a misplaced sense of piousness & authority.
Knowing he will get caught for the murder sooner ot later, after the departure of his parents, he immediately starts talking to the younger brother about wanting to carry out a suicide attack. The younger brother desparately tries to talk him out of it. Eventually the constant pressure of the idea of losing his only brother has an extreme negative effect psychologically on the younger brother, the elder brother basically emotionally blackmails the younger brother, allowing the possibility that they can carry out an attack & escape, but maybe the elder brother never intends to escape alive, strapping explosives to his body.
given the murder was on the 10th anniverary of 911, two of the victims were Jewish friends of Tsarnaev's best friend, so possibly an anti semitic motive, which would tie in with the jihadist ideology we are building up a picture of Tsarnaev forming. Waltham is the next town on from Watertown, bodies covered in Marijuana, Tamerlan was apparently a dealer. Did one of his visits to Russia follow shortly after Sep. 11th, 2011, I wonder?
If bombings by muslims was in fact because they were following the koran where it tells them to kill non believers, how can they guarentee that fellow muslims wont be killed in attacks?
Waltham is the next town on from Watertown, bodies covered in Marijuana, Tamerlan was apparently a dealer. Did one of his visits to Russia follow shortly after Sep. 11th, 2011, I wonder?
Is this something we actually know or is it more conjecture?
"A few months later and with no warning, Tamerlan, who used to deal cannabis, took off and travelled to his homeland of Chechnya and Dagestan for six months."
it would certainly explain where he got his money from, and the uncle's disdain for him
But how do you explain the actions of Muslims that are peaceful, compassionate and kind (despite any violent passages in the Koran)? Like the Imam who turned Boston Mosque into a disaster relief centre after the bombing and sent Muslim doctors to tend to the wounded? He will have read the same book as the bombers but he's a completely different type of person.
It's too simplistic to "blame" Islam for acts of violence and terror when there are also many Muslims out there doing good things. I think it's more about religion being exploited by people who have an agenda in order to justify their actions - and they prey on the weak, the disenfranchised, the socially excluded to join them.
But I don't think merely reading the Koran turns you into a violent individual anymore than watching a horror movie does.
Muslims make up 20% of the world's population, but their terrorist groups make up over 50%. That's more than the other groups in the world combined.
Islamic: 64
Secular nationalist: 36
Marxist/Maoist: 13
Other/Anarchist: 9
Christian: 2
Shinto and Jewish: 1 each
But I don't think merely reading the Koran turns you into a violent individual anymore than watching a horror movie does.
Obviously there are some admirable Muslims who don't take the Koran literally and turn a blind eye to the more grisly commandments, and there are plenty who are even tolerant of non-Muslims.
However, there is a problem as old as Islam, which the peace loving Mahatma Ghandi wrote about in his book, The Power of Pacifism.
While Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Parsees and Jews, along with several million adherents of an animistic religion, all coexisted in relative harmony, one religion that would not accept compromise stood out from the rest: Islam.
What was true in Ghandi's time, is even more true today. The global threat from Islamic terror is snowballing. Terrorism related arrests rose by 66 percent in the UK last year, and western authorities are working around the clock to foil an ever increasing number of plots and potential atrocities.
While most Muslims and their descendants who have migrated to the developed world appear on the surface relatively Westernised, the same is not true across the Islamic world. Firebrand imams, state leaders, and even kids TV shows preach about the virtue of Jihad against "the enemies of Islam". There is plenty of material in their scripture to back up the bloodthirsty call to arms against the infidels. To re-quote a tiny selection:
"Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." Koran 2:191
"Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood." Koran 9:123
"When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them." Koran 9:5
"Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable." Koran 3:85
"The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them."... Koran 9:30
"Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam" Koran 5:33
"Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies." Koran 22:19
"The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them." Koran 8:65
"Muslims must not take the infidels as friends." Koran 3:28
"Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur'an." Koran 8:12
"Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels." Koran 8:60
Some in the West like to refer to 'moderate' and 'extreme' Islam, however those in Islamic nations reject this concept. The Turkish PM said on the matter "These descriptions are very ugly; it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam, and that's it."
Islamic apologists in the West like to collectively stick their heads in the sand, ignore the evidence, and play down the problem. Hatred of non-Muslims is prolific in Islamic text, on Islamic websites, and in Islamic media. There is no doubt that the world is facing a serious and determined enemy, motivated by a horrific hate-filled ideology wrapped up as a religion.
According to at least one tradition this verse was sent down to those Arabs who had dedicated to bring up their sons as Jews if they were lucky enough to have a surviving son. So this verse relieved them of that responsibility.
Not that it matters. This verse is quite clearly abrogated. If you dispute it's abrogation then the only conclusion left to you is that Mohammed was quite clearly a terrible Muslim who didn't even understand his own revelation.
How convenient that ''whoever kills a person, it is as though he has killed all mankind'' has been left out.
How convenient that you partially quoted verse 5;32 and made no reference at all to verse 5;33. You know, the one which advocates torture and death for those who make mischief in the land.
You wouldn't want to be accused of cherry picking would you ?
Obviously there are some admirable Muslims who don't take the Koran literally and turn a blind eye to the more grisly commandments, and there are plenty who are even tolerant of non-Muslims.
Noor Inayat Khan did. She used the Koran as a driven reason to help Britain during WWII. She died for us, too.
In case you didn't realise, Sufism stems from an interpretation of the Koran. This is something you keep failing to recognise: there are hundreds of Islamic sects, just as there are hundreds of sects of other major religions.
Is this the thread on the Boston bombings or another DS religious thread between the pros and cons of a religion?
What a waste of time: People following a certain religion are never going to take any criticism so why bother? These are people that think nonsense is reality, so no progress of rational thinking will get anywhere. They don't want to know.
Mother of the Boston Bombers has said to a CNN reporter:
"They can kill me now, I will shout Allahu Akbar!"
Sounds normal for a Muslim.
I can't understand why Islam is legal in civilized countries. It's a political ideology like Nazism. Mein Kampf is banned in several countries but the Qu'ran, which is worse isn't.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/22/bashir_suspected_boston_bombers_hurt_peace-loving_religion_of_islam.html
This is what the American people are getting fed. "Bashir: Suspected Boston Bombers Hurt 'Peace-Loving Religion' Of Islam."
Here's a small sampling of that peace, compassion and kindness:
Well you know what i mean
... all human life is there - much of it pretty horrible.
But how do you explain the actions of Muslims that are peaceful, compassionate and kind (despite any violent passages in the Koran)? Like the Imam who turned Boston Mosque into a disaster relief centre after the bombing and sent Muslim doctors to tend to the wounded? He will have read the same book as the bombers but he's a completely different type of person.
It's too simplistic to "blame" Islam for acts of violence and terror when there are also many Muslims out there doing good things. I think it's more about religion being exploited by people who have an agenda in order to justify their actions - and they prey on the weak, the disenfranchised, the socially excluded to join them.
But I don't think merely reading the Koran turns you into a violent individual anymore than watching a horror movie does.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312814/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-Friends-suspect-Boston-bomber-murdering-American-friend-2011.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bomber-murder-best-friend-1848414
given the murder was on the 10th anniverary of 911, two of the victims were Jewish friends of Tsarnaev's best friend, so possibly an anti semitic motive, which would tie in with the jihadist ideology we are building up a picture of Tsarnaev forming. Waltham is the next town on from Watertown, bodies covered in Marijuana, Tamerlan was apparently a dealer. Did one of his visits to Russia follow shortly after Sep. 11th, 2011, I wonder?
Is this something we actually know or is it more conjecture?
"A few months later and with no warning, Tamerlan, who used to deal cannabis, took off and travelled to his homeland of Chechnya and Dagestan for six months."
it would certainly explain where he got his money from, and the uncle's disdain for him
How convenient that ''whoever kills a person, it is as though he has killed all mankind'' has been left out.
Both saying the FBI visited them "several" times from 2011.
http://www.channel4.com/news/mother-of-boston-bombers-fbi-rang-me-before-attacks
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/118691.html
'You must learn from Nazi Germany to grasp the true dangers of Islam today.' — Alfons Heck, Former Hitler Youth Officer
Yes.
Obviously there are some admirable Muslims who don't take the Koran literally and turn a blind eye to the more grisly commandments, and there are plenty who are even tolerant of non-Muslims.
However, there is a problem as old as Islam, which the peace loving Mahatma Ghandi wrote about in his book, The Power of Pacifism.
What was true in Ghandi's time, is even more true today. The global threat from Islamic terror is snowballing. Terrorism related arrests rose by 66 percent in the UK last year, and western authorities are working around the clock to foil an ever increasing number of plots and potential atrocities.
While most Muslims and their descendants who have migrated to the developed world appear on the surface relatively Westernised, the same is not true across the Islamic world. Firebrand imams, state leaders, and even kids TV shows preach about the virtue of Jihad against "the enemies of Islam". There is plenty of material in their scripture to back up the bloodthirsty call to arms against the infidels. To re-quote a tiny selection:
Some in the West like to refer to 'moderate' and 'extreme' Islam, however those in Islamic nations reject this concept. The Turkish PM said on the matter "These descriptions are very ugly; it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam, and that's it."
Islamic apologists in the West like to collectively stick their heads in the sand, ignore the evidence, and play down the problem. Hatred of non-Muslims is prolific in Islamic text, on Islamic websites, and in Islamic media. There is no doubt that the world is facing a serious and determined enemy, motivated by a horrific hate-filled ideology wrapped up as a religion.
According to at least one tradition this verse was sent down to those Arabs who had dedicated to bring up their sons as Jews if they were lucky enough to have a surviving son. So this verse relieved them of that responsibility.
Not that it matters. This verse is quite clearly abrogated. If you dispute it's abrogation then the only conclusion left to you is that Mohammed was quite clearly a terrible Muslim who didn't even understand his own revelation.
Take your pick.
How convenient that you partially quoted verse 5;32 and made no reference at all to verse 5;33. You know, the one which advocates torture and death for those who make mischief in the land.
You wouldn't want to be accused of cherry picking would you ?
There's been so much cherry picking in the last few pages, I'd say we've got enough for a good vat of cherry coke at least
Any coke's better than vanilla.
Surely hatred, envy or greed are all the justification some require.
Noor Inayat Khan did. She used the Koran as a driven reason to help Britain during WWII. She died for us, too.
In case you didn't realise, Sufism stems from an interpretation of the Koran. This is something you keep failing to recognise: there are hundreds of Islamic sects, just as there are hundreds of sects of other major religions.
What a waste of time: People following a certain religion are never going to take any criticism so why bother? These are people that think nonsense is reality, so no progress of rational thinking will get anywhere. They don't want to know.
"They can kill me now, I will shout Allahu Akbar!"
Should anyone be paying any attention to what the mother has to say?
Sounds normal for a Muslim.
I can't understand why Islam is legal in civilized countries. It's a political ideology like Nazism. Mein Kampf is banned in several countries but the Qu'ran, which is worse isn't.
Where they planning on killing the mother at any time?
The death penalty seems a little harsh for shop lifting.
The death penalty should be mandatory for terrorists and their supporters.