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The Baby Thread (Part 2)

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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,071
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    Merry Christmas to everyone and their babies, hope you all have a lovely day full of presents and fun!

    Wishing you all a Happy New Year in advance too as we fly off to Oz next Saturday so this will probably be my last time on here until my computer and our first shipment arrives overthere!

    So....take care of yourselves and your little ones and hope to be back on here soon posting from Oz! :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,071
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    Hi everyone, how are you all and your babies? It's gone very quiet in here!

    We are in Oz now and all is good, Jacob's settled back into sleeping properly and seems to like it here, he's been suffering with teething and a pretty bad cold with a sore throat and such so he's been struggling to eat...but other than that he's doing well.

    evamoo - Has your little one started nursery yet and if so how's he getting on? Jacob's nearly 15months now and has never been to nursery, but within the next two months we have to find our own place to live (currently in a company rented house), once settled we will be sending Jacob to nursery, got a feeling he's going to love it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,168
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    oooh it has gone quiet on here!! :D babies are now toddlers so no time to spare lol.

    Angel, hows oz?? wow must be lush over there.

    yep my son started nursary in school a couple of weeks ago, its only 9am-11:30, but its a nice little break, good for him to socialise and do activities.
    i was worried at first seeing as i was a SAHM and he never really mixed with anyone else, but he loves it...cant wait till sept and its full time!
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    spangledanglespangledangle Posts: 944
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    Too busy with toddler and tyring to keep the nausea from number two under wraps!

    Hope you're all well anyway.

    I was wondering actually what peoples experiences of those tandem pushchairs is. I've always thought it looks a bit mean on the baby who gets shoved at the back without a view, but then I'm not sure how i will manage with pushing a baby round and having holly walking when she's only 2 and a half.
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    All tandem pushchairs seem to look like a nightmare! Have you considered buying a baby sling or similar and carrying new baby in that for the first few months until Holly is older so she can walk?

    My mind is currently addled. Callie is 7 months old already and doing so much but she's sleeping worse now than she did as a newborn and we can't put our fingers on the cause. I'm knackered.
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    spangledanglespangledangle Posts: 944
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    All tandem pushchairs seem to look like a nightmare! Have you considered buying a baby sling or similar and carrying new baby in that for the first few months until Holly is older so she can walk?

    My mind is currently addled. Callie is 7 months old already and doing so much but she's sleeping worse now than she did as a newborn and we can't put our fingers on the cause. I'm knackered.

    wish I could offer some comfort but Holly slept through the night from 6 weeks to 6 months and then it all went down hill! Could be teething
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    diddygirldiddygirl Posts: 4,875
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    Too busy with toddler and tyring to keep the nausea from number two under wraps!

    Hope you're all well anyway.

    I was wondering actually what peoples experiences of those tandem pushchairs is. I've always thought it looks a bit mean on the baby who gets shoved at the back without a view, but then I'm not sure how i will manage with pushing a baby round and having holly walking when she's only 2 and a half.

    I got a buggy board, as my eldest was 2 and half when Jake arrived and I was not prepared to spend on a new buggy. She loved it. Might be worth a consider.
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    wish I could offer some comfort but Holly slept through the night from 6 weeks to 6 months and then it all went down hill! Could be teething

    yes that's roughly the same for us. We moved her into her own room and she's slept badly ever since apart from about 10 nights after Christmas when she slept through with not a squeak, whereas now she's crying (usually in her sleep) up to 5 times a night. It's probably my own fault because she ends up getting brought into our bed if it's after about 5.30.
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    i was worried about the double pram thing, didnt want little baby being stuck underneath, so i got a pushchair where the front seat is from 6months, back seat from birth, higher than front ( graco stadium duo) and tbh, i barely used it. so big and chunky and hard to put up!
    ended up pushing baby in pushchair and toddler in a stroller...ie only going out if i had someone with me!

    once they like to walk tho, its not a problem, you might even find the toddler wont want to go in a pushchair anymore.
    i always liked the look of the buggy boards, but they seemed to be around £50 for a piece of clip on plastic! :eek:
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    diddygirldiddygirl Posts: 4,875
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    evamoo wrote: »
    i always liked the look of the buggy boards, but they seemed to be around £50 for a piece of clip on plastic! :eek:

    To be fair if the kid likes them and they use them they are worth twice that much to the owner, but if they don't take to them then it is a lot of money. There are plenty on ebay for much less. In fact I am about to think about getting rid of ours if anyone wants to jump in and make me an offer.:)
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    Can anyone help as I'm about at the end of my tether!

    Callie is 7 months and is steady away with her solids now. But recently she's become a bit of a nightmare. She was going to bed at 7-7.30 but then she was continuously waking through the night so we shifted her bedtime closer to 8pm and she started sleeping better.

    She has porridge or cereal for breakfast made with 3oz milk, then she usually drinks about another oz from the bottle. About 11.30 she has her lunch - one stage 2 jar (about 200g) plus half a stage 2 jar of pudding and I offer her a 3oz bottle which she will only have a few sips from. She has a snack at about 2.30 which is usually a little biscuit and a fromage frais and again I offer milk but she rarely has more than 1oz tops, Tea is a repeat of lunch, usually between 5 and 5.30. Her bedtime bottle we usually try to get into her about 7.45 or 8ish, I make it up with 7 scoops so it's around 8oz when it's made, and she was drinking it all.

    However she was being a little monkey at teatime and just whinging and crying between mouthfuls and not bothering to do anything with the lumps, just holding them in the corners of her mouth and crying because they were annoying her. We thought this was perhaps because she was tired come teatime so I started to make her have a nap at about 3 or 3.30 in the afternoon and this seems to have helped with her being more relaxed at teatime.

    Now though, she is being a total nightmare with her bedtime bottle, she just refuses and refuses it and I don't know what to do. Eventually she will take some of it but the last 3 nights she has left 2,3 and then 4oz respectively. Last night we were still fighting to try to get milk into her at 9pm which is way too late so in the end I put her to bed, but then she cried every 15 minutes for 2.5 hours until we then brought her into our bed which we haven't done for ages but she just wouldn't settle (we tried giving her more milk and she refused it.)

    So I'm now at wit's end because I'm not sure where to go! I think we might have several issues here which we're trying to fix all at once and have wrongly assumed are related,

    reluctance to drink milk in general (she doesn't have much during the day and I know I can replace the calcium with foods but I'm worried she will get dehydrated as she won't drink anything else either)

    solving the problem of every teatime being a battle

    her refusing milk at bedtime and how to get round it.

    I'm not sure if the bedtime thing is because she's full and genuinely doesn;t want her milk (although the last 3 days I've given her less food at teatime and those are the days she's drank less) or if it's because she is swinging the lead so she doesn't have to go to bed, but it's really doing my head in! Obviously she's too young to put to bed with no supper. I toyed with the idea of giving her a biscuit or some porridge at bedtime so she stays full longer and will sleep through the night again but husband is quite panicked because she's not drinking much milk and doesn't like the idea of giving her stuff that might fill her up, causing her to drink less.

    Husband also thinks we should feed her less at teatime so she might be hungrier at bedtime but I don't know if taking food off her is a good idea. Also, when she was going to bed earlier she was practically begging for her bottle because she was so tired - and we usually have a good hour's mad play time on an evening which was probably tiring her out whereas the last few nights we haven't had it because I'm ill so I don; know if she has maybe just not been tired enough by bedtime or what.

    Has anyone got any ideas? I'm so confused and quite stressed out by the whole thing.

    Sorry it was so long but I really don't know what to do!
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    ....Think I'm going to take out snacktime this afternoon and see what time she asks for her tea, in the hope that she has it a bit earlier and then wants her bedtime bottle.

    But your advice is still needed (please!) in case this doesn't work.
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    Hi mrs_buckley - Sounds like you're having a bit of a nightmare time of it. Only thing I can think of is to miss out the snack time, our pediatrician advised against giving snacks until Jacob was at least a year old, she said 3 solid good sized meals a day as well as the normal milk intake for the childs age is sufficient and that snacks can interfere with their feeding schedule. You could move the mealtimes around a little, maybe change to lunch at 12noon, tea at 4pm then final bottle at 7pm. At the moment the time between her tea and last bottle is only just over 2hours...she may be feeling a bit full still from her tea to take all the bottle...it could possibly be giving her belly ache as she is trying to drink it all because that's what she's used to and you keep offering it to her? I would also say for breakfast and all other meals where she has milk, offer the milk first then top up with solids, this way you know she is getting her liquids so is unlikely to get dehydrate...especially as she isn't drinking any other liquids at the moment. Hope some of that helps (hug)

    evamoo - Glad your son is enjoying nursery, can't wait for Jacob to start at nursery too! Well so far so good here in Oz thanks. Been really hot today, almost unbearable. Started full force with the house hunting now and have been pleasantly suprised with the properties, been to the beach a fair few times as it's in walking distance and everyday we spend a good hour and half at the park! Shopping here is amazing too compared to Switzerland, so many english products and the people here as so friendly you're hard pressed to get out of any shop without someone striking up a conversation! I'm feeling more settled here so far in the last 3/4 weeks than the whole 5 years or so in Switzerland...granted though that the language barrier was always going to be a problem whilst there.

    Hope everyone else and your babies are well!
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    Thanks Angelstar, that makes a lot of sense, I will see what happens today with feedings and naptimes and in particular bedtime!

    When I think about it I don't even know why I'm giving a snack - I think it's because my meddlesome mother convinced me I should do!
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    mrs_buckley - Hope you have some luck with getting Callie back on track with feeding and sleeping today. I had another thought about her whinging and crying at teatime and storing the lumps of food in her mouth, Jacob does this when another tooth is on it's way, happens just as the teething starts probably a few days or so before the full blown symptoms show/begin. I could give him three or four mouthfuls of food and he will swallow the juicy part, store the lumps like a hamster then spit them out all in one go...I guess he likes the taste of the food and is hungry but not hungry enough to go through the pain of biting down on those lumps! As for the snacks, from what I understood from our pediatrician, she explained that when you give snacks you are basically just topping up the food from the previous meal that's been digested, therefore when it comes to the next scheduled normal solid mealtime they may only eat/want half of it because the snack has filled them up half as much, if the next scheduled normal mealtime is near the end of the day then that's when it can cause problems as half of that solid meal by way of the snack is virtually digested before they even go to bed. Hope that makes some sort of sense, that was just my interpretation of what she explained, she advised snacks inbetween meals after the age of one are ok mainly because the child is crawling/walking and using up so much more energy than before.
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    spangledanglespangledangle Posts: 944
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    Mrs B my initial reaction to this was the same as Anglestar - teething. If you think it might be a cause then you could offer some calpol 20 mins before the bottle/feed which would make it less painful for her.

    If she's been a good feeder up until now then I wouldn't stress too much. She'll pick up again before long
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    Hi again Angelstar and Hi spangledangle,

    I think she could be teething actually - I wasn't too sure but she's had some runny poos the last few days (not all of them though weirdly) and a very slight rise in temp on and off, I don't think she's got a bad stomach or anything because she is eating still and she's not doing any more dirty nappies than usual. Tonight I noticed she does have a red cheek, and when I had a look in her mouth there seems to be a top tooth working it's way down. I don't think it's ready to push out yet but it's certainly on it's way. Could account for her rubbish sleep over the last few nights too.

    I did without her afternoon snack today and just offered her milk instead (I'd started giving her a snack at my mother's suggestion when she told me I should be replacing that bottle with food!) and she had a couple of oz, I gave her her tea early too and she missed a nap, so by about 7.30 she was begging for her bed. We made up her bedtime bottle and after a little bit of fighting she took 2-3oz, then fell fast asleep. So I'm wondering if she just genuinely doesn't want the bedtime feed. One of my friends has a son 2 weeks younger than callie and she just gives him his tea, the small amount of milk he will take, and puts him to bed by 6pm, and he sleeps through, so I'm hoping we will have the same tonight.
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    Mrs B, don't worry too much, my little one did similar to during one stage around the same age, if not a bit older. She kept storing food in her mouth and we would have to pull it out and distress her while doing it so she wouldnt sleep like that. She also went off milk too. But it really was a phase, be it a spot of teething or whatever, and she picked the milk soon enough again, and stopped the food storing too. I don't remember doing anything differently to solve it as I dont think I put it down to teething at the time and it just stopped before it became a major issue. Looking back I think i might have been teething though.

    Im sure she will grow out of it if its not teething and you can always ask your midwife for advice. Maybe try a variety of the jars too? Mine became really picky with some of them and absoloutly loved others.
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