Is it impossible for Wenger to carry on for much longer after the Bayern result
Joey Boswell
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After the home defeat in the Champions League tonight against Bayern Munich, Arsenal now have an almost impossible mountain to climb in the return fixture in Germany.
When and should Wenger stand aside and call it quits at Arsenal, or will he stay on for a few more years, I personally think it is time for him to go and actually think he should have gone a couple of years ago.
I am not an Arsenal fan and am not trying to cause trouble, but a friend of mine is a season ticket holder and has said he truely has had enough of Wenger and wants him out.
What does everyone think.
When and should Wenger stand aside and call it quits at Arsenal, or will he stay on for a few more years, I personally think it is time for him to go and actually think he should have gone a couple of years ago.
I am not an Arsenal fan and am not trying to cause trouble, but a friend of mine is a season ticket holder and has said he truely has had enough of Wenger and wants him out.
What does everyone think.
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I can't see Arsenal sacking him, especially if they finish fourth this season and get into the Champions League play offs next season.
I reckon you may just be glad to see Wenger leave , as they constantly make your team ( Utd) plus all the other teams , look bland in comparison .. Arsenal are everyone's fave team to watch as they play football the other teams dream of playing . Granted the results have been up and down this season but on their day they are a joy to watch.
I'd imagine a fair proportion of Arsenal fans would sacrifice 'pretty' football (which they haven't played consistently for at least 3 or 4 years now) for a few trophies.
Results are rather important, you know !
And I really doubt so many folk think Arsenal are these days better to watch then say Man Utd and Spurs.
They'd be better off fighting for a cl position under a fresh manger in charge, whether that be Bould or an external candidate...
Expecting them to win the Champions League is also silly and if you look at the teams that have knocked them out over the years, it has always been a side that was just fundamentally better than them.
If we are talking trophies, then that leaves the FA Cup and Carling Cup, both of which are straight knockout competitions and therefore have high variability. It is easy to go this long without winning the domestic cups, particularly if you are the 3rd/4th best team entering them and don't prioritise them.
I agree that Arsenal over an 8 year period should have won a trophy or 2. Over that same 8 years period they should've also failed to make Champions League football a few times and certainly failed to make the knockout stages. It's swings and roundabouts really. If they fired Arsene 8 years ago they might've found their way to a domestic cup or two, but I'd say they would probably be a worse side than Liverpool by now. Very few managers would be able to make a side as good as Arsenal with the quality of players that leave them every year. You can't say those players would've stayed if there was someone other Arsene in charge.
I had a discussion about this earlier today funnily enough. This boll*cks has been spouted for years upon years now, even when Arsenal have been challenging for third and fourth and nowhere near challenging for the title or any other honors. There was a time when a case could be made for Arsenal playing 'THE BEST FOOTBALL' (even though, ya know, unless you're winning the trophies, you're not actually playing THE BEST football), that wasn't any recent time though. The media and pundits used to try to make these claims all of the time, despite Arsenal consistently being bettered by other teams. It's now got to a stage where they cant print it or say it, because they'll get laughed at, because most are finally coming to the realisation that it's sheer nonsense.
When FFP comes into effect, Arsenal will be laughing, that's when people will thank Wenger for the brilliant job that he's done.
Do you think the other clubs won't find a way around the regulations?
We have already seen the stadium naming rights at City, i think Liverpool signed the biggest ever shirt sponsorship deal (don't quote me on that).
Clubs will find a way, and they will laugh at the FFP.
I agree... from the minute the FFP was put forward the lawyers/financial managers and accountants at big spending clubs have been looking for ways around and through the rules... the FFP will make very little difference imo.
Doing a fantastic job ?? Not from my observations and the Arsenal thread is an ongoing interesting read as to what many Arsenal supporters think.
Arsenal's supposed lack of money I notice is a debated point, though undoubtably they are not up with the super rich.
You don't need to have money though to apply some more basic organisation to a defense including international players of undoubted ability. But then defense has never really been Wenger's thing and he is rumoured to be a terrible delegater. He was probably lucky early on at Arsenal to have inherited a superb defense thst could basically organise and look after itself.
5th in the Premier League ( 21 points off the top ), knockef out of the two domestic cups by Bradford and Blackburn, and soon to be knocked out of the Champions League by an admittedly very good Bayern Munich side, is to my mind some distance from "fantastic".
Likewise the board have given him the license to do what he wants -- the power he has is unthinkable.
They both are made for each other and if Arsenal were to finish fourth, he'll probably stay other year.
My problem is Wenger naively sets up his teams to focus on their strengths instead of the opposition. Like one style of football is good enough to beat anyone on any given day.
I cannot see a title challenge or a point where Arsenal will threaten to win silverware until the board get a shake up and/or Arsene leaves. Only then will the mentality change.
Season ticket renewals -- why bother? Waste of money and the club don't even bother to win trophies. Arsenal have made me realise there's a life outside football and I shouldn't stress out. Heck, yesterday's result didn't even make me feel sick. Won't be paying to these chumps anytime soon.
What is it about teams beginning with 'B'?!
I agree too. Well put.
Another problem is the lack of quality within the squad...he hasn't got the unknown gems of a few years ago and they'll never be able to get the really top quality proven players.
Mind you if they are paying Walcott 100k clearly some cash is there to spend.