She really is making a fool of herself, caught a few snippets on GMB, suicide attempts, crying. She was hardly up for murder, so much for her gangster persona. Used to like her but this is Zleb list theatrics.
She really is making a fool of herself, caught a few snippets on GMB, suicide attempts, crying. She was hardly up for murder, so much for her gangster persona. Used to like her but this is Zleb list theatrics.
Basically it looks like the evidence(videos, recordings and texts) conclusively proved she was guilty, and that she got away with it on the issue of motivation. She didn't refuse to to what she was accused of, it was more of a "I don't usually do this sort of thing, but...." defence. The dealer plead guilty, but again, got away with it.:o Whatever she did or didn't say to the driver, doesn't change the FACT that she DID arrange things.
Basically it looks like the evidence(videos, recordings and texts) conclusively proved she was guilty, and that she got away with it on the issue of motivation. She didn't refuse to to what she was accused of, it was more of a "I don't usually do this sort of thing, but...." defence. The dealer plead guilty, but again, got away with it.:o Whatever she did or didn't say to the driver, doesn't change the FACT that she DID arrange things.
I don't personally think it was motivation, she basically got away with it because Mahmood was proven to have lied under oath.
The actual physical evidence presented, as you say, the videos, recordings, texts, all do point to the fact that she made contact with a drug dealer to discuss a possible deal, she forwarded the contact details of the dealer to Mahmood and the deal was subsequently executed.
I don't personally think it was motivation, she basically got away with it because Mahmood was proven to have lied under oath.
The actual physical evidence presented, as you say, the videos, recordings, texts, all do point to the fact that she made contact with a drug dealer to discuss a possible deal, she forwarded the contact details of the dealer to Mahmood and the deal was subsequently executed.
That part is without dispute.
And that is the part she was charged with. Saying something along the lines of "I wouldn't normally do this sort of thing, but.....", isn't a statement of innocence. Surely it's a matter for the Jury to decide, who and what they believe. If somebody burgles a property and the trial alleges it was for reason X, when it was actually for reason Y, it doesn't change whether they committed the offence or not.
If the journalist hadn't gilded the lily, this trial wouldn't have fell apart under its own weight despite the clear evidence.
If you believe Tulisa is innocent, I assume you also believe Kate Moss never snorted cocaine and R. Kelly never had sex with an underage girl. Because video evidence is always doctored and edited, right? That could have been anyone that looked, sounded and spoke like her called Tulisa.
I look forward to her next single, "Redemption" featuring Mike GLC, assuming the botox hasn't stunned her face totally. Here's to her future album "#notguilty" getting to number 83 on the iTunes chart.
Now she pushes the victim card to try to take attention away from what we all knew she was doing anyway. These people are pathetic specimens, determined to enjoy the limelight by any means. I note she remembered to carefully video her 'hell' for the meeja! Ugh, take her away.
No doubt when she's milked the last drop from this tedious rubbish, she'll be declared 'bipolar' or borderline autistic or somesuch, just to get another front-page mention. Sheesh.
I'd be inclined to take her more seriously if she just held her hands up and admitted that she'd been an idiot and that she only had herself to blame. Instead, it's excuses, excuses, excuses! She's even playing the 'class' card! *rolleyes* As for claiming that she was suicidal...any sympathy I might have had for her evaporated after reading that!>:(
You make a point
Dosent mean a person is ok inside tho.
Someone can be photo'd laughing and then commit suicide the next week
I have been to court to fight to see my kids and face nasty allegations and looked at best way to end it all but I still have been to Spain and have laughed on numerous occasions
So am I not hurting inside?
I saw a clip of this documentary and I thought I heard her say something about telling them she did or could get crack or something and she was laughing flippantly as if to say, tut! you know, eh, that's just something I said because...
And I'm like...WHY? Why even say sh1t like that? WTF are you telling anyone you do or can get crack -as a public figure- for?
Again, imo, it boils down to either a poor choice of words/naivety, wheedling out of it, or it being that the industry is riddled with/runs on the supply of drugs to get anywhere within it.
Take your pick. All those options are equally problematical.
You make a point
Dosent mean a person is ok inside tho.
Someone can be photo'd laughing and then commit suicide the next week
I have been to court to fight to see my kids and face nasty allegations and looked at best way to end it all but I still have been to Spain and have laughed on numerous occasions
So am I not hurting inside?
No matter the rights and wrongs of this case, who did what or who lied (I personally think they're all a tad dodgy), it was obvious that using the S-word was going to derail the issue and the public was then going to turn in on itself, fighting over that instead.
Coincidentally it's a perfect deflection imo. And completely unproveable on her part, though it's perfectly reasonable she did feel that way.
She seemed to side step the question on Sky News and instead talked about being possessed by a person she didn't know.. just sounded like she was reading a chapter of a book rather than recalling a difficult period. She didn't exactly seem upset or on the verge of tears.
We think we like rags-to-riches stories but this is all about trying to put a young woman who escaped an unpromising background back in her place by tainting her with drug dealing.
What a crock. She tainted her own image when she bragged about having loads of dealers in her phone, having a secret code and facilitating a large drug deal. I used to like Tulisa but her "poor me, it wasn't my fault" attitude is very off putting.
If she had any sense or proper advice, she would've kept the head down, let the fillers wear off and come back with a new attitude. Had she simply said "I was stupid, I made a mistake which I never plan on making again and I'm sorry", I think she would've been ok. Look at how Kate Moss turned it around. Instead Tulisa is trying to play the victim card when she is only a victim of her own stupidity.
If the journalist hadn't gilded the lily, this trial wouldn't have fell apart under its own weight despite the clear evidence.
If you believe Tulisa is innocent, I assume you also believe Kate Moss never snorted cocaine and R. Kelly never had sex with an underage girl. Because video evidence is always doctored and edited, right? That could have been anyone that looked, sounded and spoke like her called Tulisa.
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Funny how nobody set up Kate Moss and how she has been a known user and it has not harmed her at all. It is funny how A listers can use drugs, have contacts and suppliers and never be hurt by it. And we all know that people got away with underage sex for decades, without anyone investigating in the press, despite rumours.
Yet Tulisa gets set up, by a repugnant employee of the NOTW and now SOS....( so reputable and honest..) and she ends up ruined. Very few in that business don't know contacts that provide drugs, whether they take them or not, they are always around them. It is the Fake Sheik that bothers me and how a paper that has no quelms about phone hacking, stalking and harassing people, has the power to bring people down but only goes for easy targets, which in turn gives them stories to sell their papers with.
This girl was incredibly lucky to have ever been a judge on X Factor. There are so many high profile females out there who they could have got to do it, yet they picked her, only because they needed someone current. She was unbelievably lucky. I always remember her performace on Britain's Got Talent, where she tried to put on this big show, yet she came out dancing in flats and looked ridiculous...it was hysterical...a chav on stage thinking she's the enxt Beyonce. If a sex tape wasn't bad enough (which by the way, she performed horrifically in), this drug situation followed, and now she's been found guilty of assault too. Then there's her continued denial that she's had work done on her lips..."It's just good make-up she says". Sorry, but even if it was make-up (which it clearly isn't), I don't think anyone int eh world would call it "good". She is barking mad and deluded.
Your husband or boyfriend is a lucky fellow. Please feel free to donate to any future cloning programs. Assuming you also don't claim to be too tired or have a headache when they show interest in you, I think we can all agree you're awesome.
As for Tulisa, her initial denial was the incredulous part. Then her choice to act as if it was some hugely shameful act rather than, as you have, simply going "Yes, that's me, I didn't expect my ex to put this out as revenge porn, I was young and trying to please my boyfriend, I never claimed to be a nun, can we simply move on? I'm a singer, not a porn star, I'm here to promote my work, not my sex life." instead of trying to spin it on talk shows.
What would be even better is if a woman wasn't asked to justify her actions, when they are intended to be private and someone has sold the pictures or videos. She did not commit a crime. She shouldn't have to admit to it or even speak about it. It is about **** shaming women. If she was an A-Lister they would not have done any of this. She is an easier target because she is lower class and from a sink estate, she is fair game to be brought down.
I don't personally think it was motivation, she basically got away with it because Mahmood was proven to have lied under oath.
Sorry to be picky, but as yet, he hasn't been. The judge let it be known that he 'strongly suspects' Mahmood lied, but it hasn't been proven. It is this that causes me concerns over this case - it's possible that Mahmood lied, maybe even probable, but it's equally likely that Tulisa did the same. There seems to be actual, physical evidence that she orchestrated a drug deal, yet she was let off. I can't remember another case of such seemingly obvious guilt being overlooked in this way...
What would be even better is if a woman wasn't asked to justify her actions, when they are intended to be private and someone has sold the pictures or videos. She did not commit a crime. She shouldn't have to admit to it or even speak about it. It is about **** shaming women. If she was an A-Lister they would not have done any of this. She is an easier target because she is lower class and from a sink estate, she is fair game to be brought down.
The main issue people had with the sex tape was that Tulisa initially tried to deny the woman in the film was her. If you're in the public eye and are daft enough to make a sex tape, then the worst thing you can do is try to lie your way out of it when the tape inevitably ends up online!
Tulisa may believe that she was targeted because she's working class, but that's not the case. She was targeted because she set herself up as 'Tulisa from the ghetto' and surrounded herself with dodgy people to perpetuate that image.
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I don't personally think it was motivation, she basically got away with it because Mahmood was proven to have lied under oath.
The actual physical evidence presented, as you say, the videos, recordings, texts, all do point to the fact that she made contact with a drug dealer to discuss a possible deal, she forwarded the contact details of the dealer to Mahmood and the deal was subsequently executed.
That part is without dispute.
If you believe Tulisa is innocent, I assume you also believe Kate Moss never snorted cocaine and R. Kelly never had sex with an underage girl. Because video evidence is always doctored and edited, right? That could have been anyone that looked, sounded and spoke like her called Tulisa.
I look forward to her next single, "Redemption" featuring Mike GLC, assuming the botox hasn't stunned her face totally. Here's to her future album "#notguilty" getting to number 83 on the iTunes chart.
No doubt when she's milked the last drop from this tedious rubbish, she'll be declared 'bipolar' or borderline autistic or somesuch, just to get another front-page mention. Sheesh.
Programmes on tonight 10pm, BBC3.
And photographed drowning her sorrows in Ibiza.
And don't forget the nights out with Chelsea.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/28/tulisa-constostavlos-middle-class-media-chav
It's probably the fault of Cameron I bet.
You make a point
Dosent mean a person is ok inside tho.
Someone can be photo'd laughing and then commit suicide the next week
I have been to court to fight to see my kids and face nasty allegations and looked at best way to end it all but I still have been to Spain and have laughed on numerous occasions
So am I not hurting inside?
And I'm like...WHY? Why even say sh1t like that? WTF are you telling anyone you do or can get crack -as a public figure- for?
Again, imo, it boils down to either a poor choice of words/naivety, wheedling out of it, or it being that the industry is riddled with/runs on the supply of drugs to get anywhere within it.
Take your pick. All those options are equally problematical.
No matter the rights and wrongs of this case, who did what or who lied (I personally think they're all a tad dodgy), it was obvious that using the S-word was going to derail the issue and the public was then going to turn in on itself, fighting over that instead.
Coincidentally it's a perfect deflection imo. And completely unproveable on her part, though it's perfectly reasonable she did feel that way.
If she had any sense or proper advice, she would've kept the head down, let the fillers wear off and come back with a new attitude. Had she simply said "I was stupid, I made a mistake which I never plan on making again and I'm sorry", I think she would've been ok. Look at how Kate Moss turned it around. Instead Tulisa is trying to play the victim card when she is only a victim of her own stupidity.
What would be even better is if a woman wasn't asked to justify her actions, when they are intended to be private and someone has sold the pictures or videos. She did not commit a crime. She shouldn't have to admit to it or even speak about it. It is about **** shaming women. If she was an A-Lister they would not have done any of this. She is an easier target because she is lower class and from a sink estate, she is fair game to be brought down.
Sorry to be picky, but as yet, he hasn't been. The judge let it be known that he 'strongly suspects' Mahmood lied, but it hasn't been proven. It is this that causes me concerns over this case - it's possible that Mahmood lied, maybe even probable, but it's equally likely that Tulisa did the same. There seems to be actual, physical evidence that she orchestrated a drug deal, yet she was let off. I can't remember another case of such seemingly obvious guilt being overlooked in this way...
The main issue people had with the sex tape was that Tulisa initially tried to deny the woman in the film was her. If you're in the public eye and are daft enough to make a sex tape, then the worst thing you can do is try to lie your way out of it when the tape inevitably ends up online!
Tulisa may believe that she was targeted because she's working class, but that's not the case. She was targeted because she set herself up as 'Tulisa from the ghetto' and surrounded herself with dodgy people to perpetuate that image.