Progressive mosques that are gay friendly with women leaders.
Mosques with Sunni and Shiite under one roof.
Quite different from what has been linked to here as representative of Islam and 'the Muslims.'
From the first few paragraphs:
. While far from accepted by mainstream clerics(..)
This is not the norm for most of the 2.6 million-strong American Islamic community, accustomed to centuries-old traditions of gender relations and houses of worship that tend to draw primarily from a single ethnic group.
We can't move forward as a society, as a faith system, if we subscribe to these old draconian ways of practicing Islam
Your example of 'Islam as it is practiced in Western societies' is, according to the article itself, an exception not the rule.
Your example of 'Islam as it is practiced in Western societies' is, according to the article itself, an exception not the rule.
Probably so but it shows the direction that Islam is moving in.
I also gave an example of moderate Islam, as quoted here:
Therefore, a moderate Muslim recognizes that Prophet Muhammad promoted freedom of religion and speech for all mankind, without threat of punishment for blasphemy or apostasy. This is one reason why Ahmadi Muslims vehemently reject anti-blasphemy legislation and instead support both the First Amendment and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
I can give you a lot more examples, if you want, of what Muslims here call Western Islam.
Probably so but it shows the direction that Islam is moving in.
I also gave an example of moderate Islam, as quoted here:
Therefore, a moderate Muslim recognizes that Prophet Muhammad promoted freedom of religion and speech for all mankind, without threat of punishment for blasphemy or apostasy. This is one reason why Ahmadi Muslims vehemently reject anti-blasphemy legislation and instead support both the First Amendment and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
I can give you a lot more examples, if you want, of what Muslims here call Western Islam.
sounds great , islam in western / secular countries , seems to be moving in much more the right direction than the 'old' countries , if I can call them that . Ever wonder why that is - could it be something to do with our freedoms like freedom of speech , the right to question authority / institutions etc. to think and question .
something dogmatic versions of Islam just have to stamp out . See where I'm going ?
That is not Islam practiced in Western Countries. It is a very small, breakaway group of more enlighted Muslims in America.
If only there were more of them.
Meanwhile in the UK more and more mainstream muslims seem to be going backwards not forwards in the extent to which they follow the the Quran and all of it's more primitive and unpleasant tenets.
This is an unmitigated disaster for a 21st century secular democracy.
Meanwhile in the UK more and more mainstream muslims seem to be going backwards not forwards in the extent to which they follow the the Quran and all of it's more primitive and unpleasant tenets.
This is an unmitigated disaster for a 21st century secular democracy.
I agree and share your frustration. What have our 'Leaders' done to this country.
I agree and share your frustration. What have our 'Leaders' done to this country.
Well they are certainly doing bugger all to tackle the problem apart from the usual bullshit about the 'religion of peace' from Cameron.
When anybody with more than a few functioning neurons can see by it's very nature that Islam is precisely the opposite.
I feel sorry for those (especially women) born in a democracy who are then brainwashed at an early age into such a belief system - and they have no choice to practice it as they can never leave either.
I await, with barely concealed indifference, your evidence of posters branding all Muslims as radicals.
When posters say "the Muslims" and do not distinguish between radical and moderate, in fact imply that those who follow the Quran accept the violent verses as fact, because it is the living word of Allah, and cite Sunni Islam in links, and Hanafi Islam, and Islam as it is practiced in KSA, without distinquishing what most or many French Muslims actually believe, practice, or are taught.
sounds great , islam in western / secular countries , seems to be moving in much more the right direction than the 'old' countries , if I can call them that . Ever wonder why that is - could it be something to do with our freedoms like freedom of speech , the right to question authority / institutions etc. to think and question .
something dogmatic versions of Islam just have to stamp out . See where I'm going ?
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At the same time we frown on making inflammatory statements about other religions.
When posters say "the Muslims" and do not distinguish between radical and moderate, in fact imply that those who follow the Quran accept the violent verses as fact, because it is the living word of Allah, and cite Sunni Islam in links, and Hanafi Islam, and Islam as it is practiced in KSA, without distinquishing what most or many French Muslims actually believe, practice, or are taught.
When posters say "the Muslims" and do not distinguish between radical and moderate, in fact imply that those who follow the Quran accept the violent verses as fact, because it is the living word of Allah, and cite Sunni Islam in links, and Hanafi Islam, and Islam as it is practiced in KSA, without distinquishing what most or many French Muslims actually believe, practice, or are taught.
That would be too many posts to go back over.
Stop talking shite, if you are going to quote things I did don't put words at the start I never said.
Who are you even talking about?
Are you just making things up and having a conversation with yourself because i haven't got a bloody clue what you are talking about, you just say random things.
But denying that Islam, or "that corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the centuries" (al-Sisi), is part of the problem is just as bad as pretending it isn't.
Originally Posted by exlordlucan
NOT at all, the majority (in the West) do not wear robes and those that do are more likely to be the militant ones such as seen with this shower of shite in Luton
academia
Islamists are the enemy of diversity everywhere in the world
There are dozens of posts, that was just on the first pages I was on.
Stop talking shite, if you are going to quote things I did don't put words at the start I never said.
Who are you even talking about?
Are you just making things up and having a conversation with yourself because i haven't got a bloody clue what you are talking about, you just say random things.
I said "when posters say." And all those things have been said.
Why did you link to Hanafi related to Algeria then?
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From the first few paragraphs:
Your example of 'Islam as it is practiced in Western societies' is, according to the article itself, an exception not the rule.
That is not Islam practiced in Western Countries. It is a very small, breakaway group of more enlightened Muslims in America.
Probably so but it shows the direction that Islam is moving in.
I also gave an example of moderate Islam, as quoted here:
Therefore, a moderate Muslim recognizes that Prophet Muhammad promoted freedom of religion and speech for all mankind, without threat of punishment for blasphemy or apostasy. This is one reason why Ahmadi Muslims vehemently reject anti-blasphemy legislation and instead support both the First Amendment and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
I can give you a lot more examples, if you want, of what Muslims here call Western Islam.
I'll let the freudian slip go
well that's nice , y'see - that's the freedom they get from practising their religion in a secular country .
they're not all like that one tho .
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I await, with barely concealed indifference, your evidence of posters branding all Muslims as radicals.
sounds great , islam in western / secular countries , seems to be moving in much more the right direction than the 'old' countries , if I can call them that . Ever wonder why that is - could it be something to do with our freedoms like freedom of speech , the right to question authority / institutions etc. to think and question .
something dogmatic versions of Islam just have to stamp out . See where I'm going ?
.
If only there were more of them.
Meanwhile in the UK more and more mainstream muslims seem to be going backwards not forwards in the extent to which they follow the the Quran and all of it's more primitive and unpleasant tenets.
This is an unmitigated disaster for a 21st century secular democracy.
It would be only fair, otherwise everyone is smeared.
I agree and share your frustration. What have our 'Leaders' done to this country.
Well they are certainly doing bugger all to tackle the problem apart from the usual bullshit about the 'religion of peace' from Cameron.
When anybody with more than a few functioning neurons can see by it's very nature that Islam is precisely the opposite.
I feel sorry for those (especially women) born in a democracy who are then brainwashed at an early age into such a belief system - and they have no choice to practice it as they can never leave either.
When posters say "the Muslims" and do not distinguish between radical and moderate, in fact imply that those who follow the Quran accept the violent verses as fact, because it is the living word of Allah, and cite Sunni Islam in links, and Hanafi Islam, and Islam as it is practiced in KSA, without distinquishing what most or many French Muslims actually believe, practice, or are taught.
That would be too many posts to go back over.
At the same time we frown on making inflammatory statements about other religions.
Have a wee go.
no , I'm afraid on this occasion bolly is right , have a look at this rather shocking exchange back on page 193:
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You seemed to suggest you had some in mind.
I already quoted them if you look back, though.
You want me to go trawling back through a 220+ page thread to find evidence for an assertion you made and said you'd show evidence of?
batgirl doesn't have to POSE as one.
What a pot-ly kettle-y illustration that is !
Stop talking shite, if you are going to quote things I did don't put words at the start I never said.
Who are you even talking about?
Are you just making things up and having a conversation with yourself because i haven't got a bloody clue what you are talking about, you just say random things.
There are dozens of posts, that was just on the first pages I was on.
Then she should have known what Western Islam is.
And that there is a practical difference between radicalized Islam and non-radicalized, even if some try to deny it.
Perhaps she is referring to the stereotype of Islam from 30 years ago?
I said "when posters say." And all those things have been said.
Why did you link to Hanafi related to Algeria then?
Quite. Just another example of the hypocrisy which pervades so many of bolly's posts.