What DSLR?

GogfumbleGogfumble Posts: 22,155
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I know this is asked quite a lot in here and I could find old threads but I am after some up to date advice. ;)

I want to upgrade from a Bridge camera to a DSLR. I am flexible with my budget but if I could get something decent for £500 including a lens that would be good. I quite fancy one that has a remote control. Beyond that I really don't know, it will be my first SLR so will be learning as I go. Something that I can get to grips with but also some decent features that will keep me satisfied.

Anyone got any good recommendations? I will have a read on a few camera review sites but to see what people think would be good.

If you need to know what I will be photographing, a bit of everything, people, wildlife, scenery. The usual ;)

edit: also, jewellery! As I like to photograph pieces that I make.
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  • renard grisrenard gris Posts: 1,038
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    Gogfumble wrote: »
    I know this is asked quite a lot in here and I could find old threads but I am after some up to date advice. ;)

    I want to upgrade from a Bridge camera to a DSLR. I am flexible with my budget but if I could get something decent for £500 including a lens that would be good. I quite fancy one that has a remote control. Beyond that I really don't know, it will be my first SLR so will be learning as I go. Something that I can get to grips with but also some decent features that will keep me satisfied.

    Anyone got any good recommendations? I will have a read on a few camera review sites but to see what people think would be good.

    If you need to know what I will be photographing, a bit of everything, people, wildlife, scenery. The usual ;)

    edit: also, jewellery! As I like to photograph pieces that I make.

    My understanding is that if you are just starting out with a DSLR, then have a look at the Canon EOS 1100D

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-1100D-Digital-Camera-3-5-5-6/dp/B004MPQXZA/ref=pd_ts_zgc_ce_14335821_1?_encoding=UTF8&s=electronics&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-right-4&pf_rd_r=0EX74468WJHXBAG7VTKX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=428021747&pf_rd_i=14335821

    or the Nikon D3100

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-Digital-Camera-18-55mm-14-2MP/dp/B00403MA4M/ref=pd_ts_zgc_ce_14335821_2?_encoding=UTF8&s=electronics&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-right-4&pf_rd_r=0EX74468WJHXBAG7VTKX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=428021747&pf_rd_i=14335821

    If you were interested in a little bit of astrophotography, then the Canon cameras tend to be the favoured ones.

    I'm only a beginner, so I cannot offer you much more advice on lenses, only to say, make sure that you get a decent lens (but you probably already know that!)
  • bspacebspace Posts: 14,303
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    toss up between the Canon and the Nikon here

    http://www.whatdigitalcamera.com/roundups/camera/539892/1/best-mid-range-dslrs-of-2014.html

    Nikon has better spec, Canon has better control layout IMO

    reason I recommend sticking with Canon/Nikon is that you can pick up reasonable second hand lenses on ebay when the kit lense's limitations become obvious

    I wouldn't go for anything below these price wise as it probably won't be a significant step up from your existing kit
  • MustabusterMustabuster Posts: 5,975
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    Go for either Nikon or Canon within your budget. Both will have plenty of lenses and accessories when you wish to expand. You may wish to look at Sigma Macro lenses if you fancy close-ups of your jewelry.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sigma-50mm-Macro-Lens-Canon/dp/B0002P19PS
  • GogfumbleGogfumble Posts: 22,155
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    Thanks, that will give me something to be getting on with. I was thinking Nikon, a lot of people seem to rate them.
  • DarthchaffinchDarthchaffinch Posts: 7,558
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    You need to go to Jessops etc to have a feel of each camera in your budget.
    Don't waste any money buying camera magazines to help decide- look at talkphotography.co.uk (always people there asking same question)
  • mred2000mred2000 Posts: 10,050
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    Nikon all the way for me. A lot of it is personal preference, so it's worth having a play at a local shop.
  • GogfumbleGogfumble Posts: 22,155
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    Will have to make a journey. Closest Jessops closed down. Next one is about 40 miles away. Don't think we have any independents near by.
  • GogfumbleGogfumble Posts: 22,155
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    Early days, but liking the Nikon D5300 so far.
  • davethorpdavethorp Posts: 8,701
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    Gogfumble wrote: »
    Will have to make a journey. Closest Jessops closed down. Next one is about 40 miles away. Don't think we have any independents near by.

    Larger Currys and PC World stores tend to have a good range of cameras on display (especially in your budget range) and many are working for you to have a play with. I wouldn't necessarily advocate buying from them but you could certainly have a look as it might save you a longer journey to Jessops if you get an idea of what you like there and then buy online.

    I'm on the Canon side of the great divide but as others have said, have a look at them both and have a play and see which feels better to use for you and which gives you the best bang for buck in your budget range. Also have a look at lenses for each camera to get a feel for how much it will cost when you inevitably decide to expand your range of glass
  • barbelerbarbeler Posts: 23,827
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    I have to admit to being quite annoyed that my Nikon 5100 simply can't match the image quality of a much cheaper Panasonic Lumix bridge camera. It might if I used prime lenses all the time, but I can't afford to buy them to cover every possible focal length required.

    You certainly don't need to use a DSLR to get excellent photographs of jewellery and if it wasn't for an occasional need to use wide angle down to 10mm, I would probably get better shots with the Panny, if only because of its sheer flexibility and avoiding the need to change lenses all the time – not a good idea in the open air when there's a lot of dust of pollen around. The 30x optical zoom on the Panasonic seems far better than it has any right to be.
  • JackKlugmanJackKlugman Posts: 5,362
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    A Sony Alpha A65 is a fine camera. I have one.
  • grumpyoldbatgrumpyoldbat Posts: 3,663
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    If you have one within a reasonable journey, I'd suggest a visit to John Lewis. Their customer service is good, and they generally have someone on cameras who is knowledgeable about photography.

    One thing my photography tutor said which has proved to be true - buy the best quality lenses you can possibly afford. My own experience backs this up - I went for a non-Canon lens on my old camera, picking up a Sigma lens and always found that the colours were washed out. We tried the lens on my husband's camera and found the same thing. When I bought the equivalent Canon lens, the difference in the colours was night and day.
  • JackKlugmanJackKlugman Posts: 5,362
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    If you have one within a reasonable journey, I'd suggest a visit to John Lewis. Their customer service is good, and they generally have someone on cameras who is knowledgeable about photography.

    One thing my photography tutor said which has proved to be true - buy the best quality lenses you can possibly afford. My own experience backs this up - I went for a non-Canon lens on my old camera, picking up a Sigma lens and always found that the colours were washed out. We tried the lens on my husband's camera and found the same thing. When I bought the equivalent Canon lens, the difference in the colours was night and day.

    Visit John Lewis and try a few camera's and then buy online and save hundreds
  • Mark39LondonMark39London Posts: 3,977
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    I'd personally recommend Canon, but that's just because I ended up with them after previously owning Nikon and Pentax cameras.

    There is very little between them, so as has already been suggested, go and pick one up to see which feels better in your hands and which layout you think you will be most comfortable with.
  • bspacebspace Posts: 14,303
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    If you have one within a reasonable journey, I'd suggest a visit to John Lewis. Their customer service is good, and they generally have someone on cameras who is knowledgeable about photography.

    One thing my photography tutor said which has proved to be true - buy the best quality lenses you can possibly afford. My own experience backs this up - I went for a non-Canon lens on my old camera, picking up a Sigma lens and always found that the colours were washed out. We tried the lens on my husband's camera and found the same thing. When I bought the equivalent Canon lens, the difference in the colours was night and day.

    while that is good advice, it doesn't necessarily translate into canon/nikon good sigma/tamron bad

    there are some real dogs in the canon range, and I expect the same can be said for nikon
    on the other hand my sigma 10-20mm is better than the canon equivalent IMHO
    mind you neither of them are cheap

    that said, the rest of my lenses are canon, but then I use them for work so I need to spend a bit more than I otherwise might.
  • TerraCanisTerraCanis Posts: 14,099
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    bspace wrote: »
    Nikon has better spec, Canon has better control layout IMO

    Having used Canons for the last 15 years (the earlier ones stored images on a narrow strip of plasticky material with only enough memory for 2-3 dozen images) I'm probably biased, but i do find the layout of their controls to be more intuitive. And maybe it's just me, but I find the Nikon mount where you turn the lens clockwise to remove it a little strange.
  • tiacattiacat Posts: 22,521
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    OP I hope you dont mind me butting in on this thread, but I used to do photography as a hobby some years ago, I bought a second hand SLR from a camera shop, used to do mainly black and white pictures, although didnt develop them myself. Then other things meant this got side tracked for a bit and by the time I wanted to get interested again, its all gone digital so I havent done anything since.

    I picked up my camera last year to try to pick up it up again but something is wrong with it and its not working, dont know whats wrong.

    I wouldnt mind getting back into it, but am completely confused at the digital thing, Im not even in possession of a fancy phone or anything.

    So along with what DSLR for the OP,, what for a sort of beginner, who hasnt used digital photography before. How do you get the photos off it? Would I manage to get a good second hand one? Or should I stick to my current one if I can get it fixed?
  • TerraCanisTerraCanis Posts: 14,099
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    tiacat wrote: »
    So along with what DSLR for the OP,, what for a sort of beginner, who hasnt used digital photography before. How do you get the photos off it? Would I manage to get a good second hand one? Or should I stick to my current one if I can get it fixed?

    I've no idea how much it costs to get a camera fixed these days, but in 1993 it was around the £100. I can well imagine that the present-day cost would go a long way toward financing a replacement.

    Downloading the pictures - there are two possibilities. Either connect the camera directly to the computer with (typically) a USB cable, or remove the memory card from the camera and plug it into a card reader (some computers / external hard drives have then built in, otherwise separate card readers are fairly cheap).

    When I first got a digital camera, I intended to keep using the film camera in parallel. I never did.

    ETA: For an idea of what might be available second-hand, take a look here - or at your local camera shop if you're lucky enough to have one.
  • tiacattiacat Posts: 22,521
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    TerraCanis wrote: »
    I've no idea how much it costs to get a camera fixed these days, but in 1993 it was around the £100. I can well imagine that the present-day cost would go a long way toward financing a replacement.

    Downloading the pictures - there are two possibilities. Either connect the camera directly to the computer with (typically) a USB cable, or remove the memory card from the camera and plug it into a card reader (some computers / external hard drives have then built in, otherwise separate card readers are fairly cheap).

    When I first got a digital camera, I intended to keep using the film camera in parallel. I never did.

    ETA: For an idea of what might be available second-hand, take a look here - or at your local camera shop if you're lucky enough to have one.

    I bought it in quite a well known independent camera shop in Eltham I dont even know if its still there. I think it cost me £50 in 1997, it was second hand, its a pentax mzn or something like that.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,232
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    Any of the top branded DSLRs will produce excellent results.

    I would advise you to go into a camera shop and handle some DSLRs and get a feel for what seems right for you - the action of the lens being one important factor, also the size of the body and the way it sits in your hands.

    Canon lenses produce excellent results and offer amazing value for money.

    Personally, I prefer Pentax lenses - they tend to be fractionally less acute than canon lenses, but for portraiture they are superb, and produce an outstanding colour balance.

    If I was updating I would go for the K-500; or the K-50 if weather proofing was an issue.

    http://www.johnlewis.com/electricals/cameras-camcorders/cameras/all-cameras/pentax=brand/c800004002

    The lens fitting is backward compatible with a host of excellent older lenses – and there are a wide range of older lenses going for a song on ebay. Some may not enable the same level of automation, but if you are interested in photography that shouldn’t be a problem.

    If you like the look and the feel of the Pentax, you can probably get JL to drop the price through a price match.

    Park Cameras for example have the K-500 on at 329, which would leave you with 170 odd to spend on lenses.
  • smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    As others have said, go for Canon or Nikon. Not just for the moment but for the future because the quality of lenses is all important. I'm Canon through and through so wouldn't touch Nikon, but they are as good as Canon.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,232
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    Rather like Ford, Canon offer great value for money and tick the boxes on reviews, but when it comes to quality of construction and durability, not so hot.

    Your best bet is to go to somewhere like Park Cameras, or a camera shop where the assistants know something about cameras (so not Currys) and handle a few cameras and see how they feel to you - ask questions about the in's and out's of each brand.

    Pentax have a thoroughbred feel that Canon don't have, and it shows in the mechanical smoothness of their lenses. Canons are also quite plasticky.

    I have a Canon SLR and a Pentax, the Pentax is much nicer to use - it oozes quality.

    If you will be out and about in bad weather with the camera, the K-5 is excellent in performance and durability, having been sealed up to withstand poor conditions.

    Nikon has a good pedigree, but you do pay extra for the name.

    When Samsung decided they wanted to get into DSLRs, they chose Pentax and stuck a Samsung badge on. Says something about how they wanted to impress when starting out, and what they chose.

    Don't be too swayed by magazine reviews, they rely on advertising the stuff they review for revenue. Canon spend a lot of money on advertising.

    Take a look here...

    http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon_EOS_7D-vs-Pentax_K-5
  • grumpyoldbatgrumpyoldbat Posts: 3,663
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    bspace wrote: »
    while that is good advice, it doesn't necessarily translate into canon/nikon good sigma/tamron bad

    there are some real dogs in the canon range, and I expect the same can be said for nikon
    on the other hand my sigma 10-20mm is better than the canon equivalent IMHO
    mind you neither of them are cheap

    that said, the rest of my lenses are canon, but then I use them for work so I need to spend a bit more than I otherwise might.

    Agreed, which is why I didn't say, only buy the lens brand of the camera you have. It's always worth reading up on a range of reviews of a lens on a photography website (along with the comments). That will usually highlight if it's worth buying. Generally (but not always the case), the more you spend, the better quality you'll get - hence "buy the best you can afford".
  • KidMoeKidMoe Posts: 5,851
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    tiacat wrote: »
    I bought it in quite a well known independent camera shop in Eltham I dont even know if its still there. I think it cost me £50 in 1997, it was second hand, its a pentax mzn or something like that.

    What's wrong with it, exactly?
  • barbelerbarbeler Posts: 23,827
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    Peter_CJ wrote: »
    Personally, I prefer Pentax lenses - they tend to be fractionally less acute than canon lenses, but for portraiture they are superb, and produce an outstanding colour balance.
    How can a lens possibly affect the colour balance? :confused:
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