4k Ultra High Definition
Neil_Harris
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According to Charles Sale of the Daily Mail.
"Sky Sports made a big noise about their extensive 3D coverage at the 2010 and 2012 Ryder Cups. But the doomed format appears to have been kicked into the long grass with a substantial multi-million pound loss. There are no Premier League matches yet scheduled to be shown in 3D this season while Sky have moved on to testing 4K — ultra high definition — at next week’s Ryder Cup at Gleneagles."
Does anyone have more info on this?
"Sky Sports made a big noise about their extensive 3D coverage at the 2010 and 2012 Ryder Cups. But the doomed format appears to have been kicked into the long grass with a substantial multi-million pound loss. There are no Premier League matches yet scheduled to be shown in 3D this season while Sky have moved on to testing 4K — ultra high definition — at next week’s Ryder Cup at Gleneagles."
Does anyone have more info on this?
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As for 3D, Sky announced a long time back that they were looking in to designing a new 4K box, with a view to potentially broadcasting 4K. A number of tests have been done already, and presumably 4K sport (like this one) can be sold abroad at a higher price?
What sort of 'info' are you hoping for?.
Oh some people do, sit 5 feet away that is, and all 25 of them inhabit these forums! They will simply move their chairs a couple of feet closer... folding their legs under them to avoid the screen!
Well I see a difference...
It's not about sitting close it's about increasing the screen size when sat in the usual position, screen sizes of 84" to 150" will be commonplace within 10 years, most like through the likes of Sony's new short throw projector, sitting with 10cm of a large white wall a picture of size 100"+ is easily achieved.
They might be commonplace for the lucky few who
a) have the money
b) have the space ~(either in the lounge or a dedicated viewing/home theatre room)
Which probably leaves out the vast majority.
That's exactly what people said about 40 - 50 inch flatpanels a decade ago.
60 inch 4k panels are collapsing in price rather rapidly, and I'd wager that we will see 70 inch sets rather commonplace within the timescales that you've got to start building up services now for.
Also, 4k services aren't just going to be about resolution, it looks quite likely they'll also encompass higher framerates, better colour and dynamic range. They make a significant difference to picture quality even on smaller screens.
We were given a 42" Plasma for free a couple of years ago
There's one hell of a difference between 40 - 50 inch panels, 60 inch panels, and those of "84 inch to 150 inch". I doubt that those sizes will ever be that low in price, never mind affordable mass-market (if only for the space needed in the average home, or the ability to rearrange the furniture, ornaments and heating appliances in order to release a flat expanse of wall and a suitable viewing position.
3D wasn't given a leg to stand on
Sky's half-assed attempt to make it work was woeful
and 4K sets will have 3D in from the outset
so lots of scope for improvement
as always catch 22 with content and interest and cost and return
lots of naysayers on these forums
its obvious the majority of DS forum posters are anti-3D
so i don't expect any sort of support on this subject
Pixar are re-releasing ALL their previous movies in 3D
Many sporting events would look great with proper 4K 3D treatment.
Lots of documentaries and entertainment shows would benefit from the stereoscopic advancement in 3D technology
buy like i said catch 22
don't believe the drivel that will come in panning all i have said
That's not '4K' as is currently being marketed, that's UHD 1 phase 2 you are both referring to, and that is years in the future before the specs are even agreed, never mind sets being sold or broadcasts!
4K (i.e. pre-spec. agreement) and UHD 1 phase 1 (post spec agreement) are/will be pretty well just about pixel counting "oooh look, my 50 inch TV has more pixels than yours so the picture must be better". Poor deluded souls that some people are.
'4K' sets should not have been introduced to market before the UHD 1 phase 2 specs were agreed, corresponding sets could be mass produced and someone had announced content production and transmission or other distribution in that format. The main reason it's being pushed now is the (inevitable) failure of 3D, so the industry wanted another gimmick to fill the gap.
Well Said ....
Just back from IBC where it was very clear that the standards were on track -and would reflect the technology that will be available / is needed ( rather t65han now)
You moight like to read this http://content.yudu.com/A32yjn/IBC2014Sept15/resources/34.htm
and are report on a SMPTE Led session -
http://www.tvbeurope.com/ibc-dilemma-deploy-uhd-1-wait-uhd-2/
The speaker list - http://www.ibc.org/page.cfm/action=Seminar/libID=2/libEntryID=68/listID=66
Basically the conclusion was that UHD 1 Phase 2 was the right answer for almost any platform and it was very achievable to make a standard to last sufficiently long
and to get the HDR (ikegami had a SMPTE EOTF camera)
and BT2020 Gamut and HFR (NHK Stunning demo )
and immersive sound Without which it has no "Wow "
BTW a display of 4K 3D by ETRI did not look much different from the adjacent UHD1 Phase1 display - and you need glasses.
There is an issue with TV 3D from the small and mechanically impractical Inter ocular, to the display.......
One the other hand the New Christie Projector at 14 Ft Lamberts gave a brightness to the screen and with Dolby Atmos - we enjoyed a very immersive Cinema experience in 3D .
Oh for gods sake. Every time we get higher resolution we get this rubbish posted.
Have you actually seen a 4K set in person?
Go down to your local Curry's and I can assure you that from quite some distance back ie across the room, you can see instantly which sets are 4K and which are Full HD. The extra sharpness and detail is apparent.
From 10-15 feet you can see the extra detail (in detail).
The thing that's missing atm from the sets in the shops is the wider colour space and that's the most important thing as ultimately that's the thing that's going to give 4K and 8K the real wow.
Well in that case the broadcasting industry will be in a real mess because 8K will land in or around 2015 according to this now:
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140907/technology-latest/article/4k-might-soon-be-old-chapter-8k-tvs-go-sale-soon
It is starting to like 4K might have to be skipped with that news.
No doubt if true, the current 4K mess is responsible. Now if they don't get the standards sorted before an 8K launch, then its going to be a real disaster.
It's format wars that destroyed Blu Ray in my opinion and the same is happening with TV. You simply can't have something going out to consumers that could be obsolete a year later when it costs X hundred or even X thousands of pounds.
Is it true that this is bad for the eyes, or is this an old wives tale?
To be fair all this (including a higher bit-rate feed) could be implemented with 1080p output. The main thing that 4K brings to the table is HEVC H.265 encoding apart from the obvious increased number of pixels.
Hopefully they get 4K broadcasts right because they almost certainly didn't with 1080p ...
It's a myth.
1080p HFR was pushed to one side in place if a proper UHD1 phase 2 which is what everyone is working to .... ( except CE industry )
HD was just a better SD ,
UHD 1 phase 2 is an immersive experience sitting say1.5 H from the screen .. It is not like TV
Which may be an editorial challenge
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Ideal Viewing distance needs to be at the limit of visual acculity I.e one minute of arc....
Further away you cannot see the detail much closer you see the pixels ......
After what the CE industry did with HD and 3D the content creators and the technical folk are determined to get it as right as possible before emitting services....
And waiting a few months to get the latest technology in...
But reminder. That 1989 was the year of HD at ibc ..... And we have service in USA in 2002-3 and Europe who got it a lot better in 2005-8 say 15 years on
If you say that 2004-8 was when NHK SHV was launched at ibc
and the standards for. UHD 1ph 2 will be ready in 2018 with some transmissions
..so all working by 2020...
3D for films is good, when well-used, but for sport is a waste of time. Any effect you get is just from basic depth perception, and when I saw it on golf, it was like a badly-made 3D film where everything looks like cardboard cut-outs stuck in at certain depths. Not exactly Life of Pi(!)
As well as all those prats who stick the TV in the corner of the room!
You mean those flicktards at Currys actually set a TV up properly?! Even in the days of DVD, they were stretching a widescreen image across the screen so everyone looked like a member of the Roly Polys.
Which in some cases might be down to having to fit the TV around the room layout, fireplace, radiators, doorways and furniture.
But most people are quite happy listening to MP3s through £1 earbuds and watching their videos on tiny, shiny, little phone or tablet screens with low quality highly compressed content. So given that most individuals are less interested in the technical quality, colour, resolution and blockiness of their stuff and are more concerned with the scripts, characters and programme content - will there really be much demand for even-higher-definition TV?
So apart from the aficionados who (like their counterparts in the 1970 and 80s) are more concerned with the technical quality than the artistic content, will there really be that many people who care? And more importantly, be prepared to pay for all these extras.