In my post in last weeks thread, i mentioned that the Sky+ features were running on my FSFS box after adding BT Sport.
Well, today Sky sent me a letter demanding £14 by the 27th of this month with a breakdown of why.
£10 for Sky+ and £4 admin charge!
So BT are enabling this feature but Sky are demanding a fee from you for it.
(Please note this only applies to people that add BT Sport or other services to what is usually just a FSFS box)
Beware!
Just had an email from Sky taking responsibility for this error.
The CS guy added it when i called them to pair a card (Why?!?!?!?!)
Anyway, its been turned off and i will not have to pay the charge.
Resolved.
Plenty of predictably self serving arguments in that piece. Presumably the BBC are only saying though that they should get 101/102 (SD) and 141/142 (HD) for free. Can't see a case for them getting free EPG slots for BBC Three, BBC Four, BBC News, BBC Parliament, CBeebies, CBBC and the 20 or so regional variants at 951 to 972 if the argument is about the primary PSB channels.
'8900' - now has Dolby AC3 audio but badly out of sync with video, probably due to the fact the PCR PID (5300) isn't matched to the VPID but a totally different value (8191).
Plenty of predictably self serving arguments in that piece. Presumably the BBC are only saying though that they should get 101/102 (SD) and 141/142 (HD) for free. Can't see a case for them getting free EPG slots for BBC Three, BBC Four, BBC News, BBC Parliament, CBeebies, CBBC and the 20 or so regional variants at 951 to 972 if the argument is about the primary PSB channels.
I think all BBC services come under a PSB remit, as opposed to just ITV, C4, C5 in the commercial side of things. This would mean BBC Three, Four, Parliament and News but guess not the regional variations of BBC1/2 in the 900's.
In addition to the helpful summary of updates by Jimbo above, there are also a number of changes identified at post 3 by djrich. Some of these have been overtaken or included/updated by Jimbo but others not. I think the following still apply:
11.023H 8900 DVB-S2 8PSK SR 23000 has FEC 2/3, not 5/6 [this needs checking as others are still quoting 22000 5/6]
11.222 H, 27.500, 2/3.
"52060"....Showing 'Heat'.
"52065"....Showing 'Magic'.
Txp# D4S 11.527 V
50366______For 'BT Sport 1' (Commercial or ROI)
. Txp# 31 12.304 H should show DVB-S2 QPSK SR 29500 FEC 3/4
12.607 H is Txp# F3L , not F4L
Txp# F4L 12.607 V (not H!)
55336_______For 'BT Sport 2' (Commercial or ROI)
'8900' - now has Dolby AC3 audio but badly out of sync with video, probably due to the fact the PCR PID (5300) isn't matched to the VPID but a totally different value (8191).
How far out is the sound? I thought this was actually silent?
I think all BBC services come under a PSB remit, as opposed to just ITV, C4, C5 in the commercial side of things. This would mean BBC Three, Four, Parliament and News but guess not the regional variations of BBC1/2 in the 900's.
Forum member technologist clarified over in the Broadcasting forum that its not the EPG listing fee (that other providers including Digital UK and Freesat charge), it's the extra platform charge that's in dispute.
How far out is the sound? I thought this was actually silent?
I reckon it was about a second or so out. What are you using to monitor it with, it might be with no VPID PCR reference some receivers don't sync the audio at all?
Forum member technologist clarified over in the Broadcasting forum that its not the EPG listing fee (that other providers including Digital UK and Freesat charge), it's the extra platform charge that's in dispute.
Yep, I read that. It's interesting as if they waiver the BBC retransmission fees then surely everyone else will want the same!
[QUOTE=M60;66027942
Yep, I read that. It's interesting as if they waiver the BBC retransmission fees then surely everyone else will want the same![/QUOTE]
What 'retansmission'
The BBC pays for the transmission.
55305 - showing Box Nation
55306 - showing ESPN America[/QUOTE]
Interesting one with Box Nation being paired with ESPN on this Txp. Looks like movement for BT.
I reckon it was about a second or so out. What are you using to monitor it with, it might be with no VPID PCR reference some receivers don't sync the audio at all?
M60 - I am actually using a Technomate 5402HDCI+
On this on 8900 I just get video but the APID shows as 5301 and AC3. I am not aware of any way to get the sound. Hope that helps.
Hopefully this new HD test transmission from the BBC is going to be a red button channel for Wimbledon.
Maybe the BBC will finally succumb to the fact nobody else can afford the 5th DTT HD slot and surprise us all with a launch of 'Red Button HD' across all platforms for Wimbledon??
On this on 8900 I just get video but the APID shows as 5301 and AC3. I am not aware of any way to get the sound. Hope that helps.
That's wierd, I'm just using a Panasonic Freesat enabled TV. I wonder if the Technosat handles the audio differently if there's no correct PCR PID time-reference wise?
4Music and the whole Box network can now be viewed online via http://www.4music.com/watch-now. May be of more interest to Freesat users who currently don't have 4Music.
@Jimbo I have a TM5402HD also, sound is working but out of sync by about 1/2 sec at most.
Press info twice and I get this,
VPID 5300
APID 5301
PPID 8191
Correct. But the PCR PID is actually =1. 8191 is -1 or 1FFF in HEX). So the channel itslef is not configured properly. The PCR should be the same as the VPID on a TV channel and the same as an APID for a radio channel.
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Just had an email from Sky taking responsibility for this error.
The CS guy added it when i called them to pair a card (Why?!?!?!?!)
Anyway, its been turned off and i will not have to pay the charge.
Resolved.
Plenty of predictably self serving arguments in that piece. Presumably the BBC are only saying though that they should get 101/102 (SD) and 141/142 (HD) for free. Can't see a case for them getting free EPG slots for BBC Three, BBC Four, BBC News, BBC Parliament, CBeebies, CBBC and the 20 or so regional variants at 951 to 972 if the argument is about the primary PSB channels.
8900______Encrypted (M60)
Carrying BBC2 in HD with no sound
€utelsat 28A
Txp# D5S 11.545 H
50455______Channel Upgrade Caption (obrienmichael05/Digi Man)
Showing Zee News
Txp# D6S 11.565 V
6041_______ No Signal (Digi Man)
Showing Challenge - same stream as main channel
Txp# 26. 12.207 V
1441_______No Signal (Digi Man/jimbo)
Deleted
4761_______No Signal (Digi Man)
Showing Pick TV
[
€utelsat 28A
Txp# F4L 12.607 H.
55304_______Now Showing Bon TV (Digi Man/jimbo)
Launched at 571 - can be removed
All the above are AMENDMENTS to last week's list.
Please add
ASTRA 2E
Txp# 47 10.803 H.
6450
6452
6460
6466
6470
All left over from transponder changes of BBC national radio services and not yet removed.
Txp# C3L 11.307 H.
52225 - showing LFC TV
Txp# D4S 11.527 V.
50370 - no signal - left over from transponder change and not removed from mux
Txp# F4L 12.607 V.
55305 - showing Box Nation
55306 - showing ESPN America
'DM Digital' has been added back to Sky EPG 802.
Update
11.546 H, 27.500, 2/3.
'GayXchange' label has now been removed.
Update
12.643 V, 27.500, 2/3.
'Pitch TV' has now been relabelled as 'Armchair Shop'.
'Armchair Shop' is available on Sky EPG 646.
Disc.Real Time…………………….11876H (6203)
Travel & Living……………………..11876H (6205)
BT Sport 1**………………………. 11222H (52014 2344/2345 info card)
BT Sport 2**………………………. 12643V (54350 2354/2355 info card)
wedding tv**………………………..11.488 V (55510, 2369/2370 still on air)
[Radio Caroline**.........................11427H] ** (Still broadcasting).
11023H 22000 5/6
'8900' - now has Dolby AC3 audio but badly out of sync with video, probably due to the fact the PCR PID (5300) isn't matched to the VPID but a totally different value (8191).
I think all BBC services come under a PSB remit, as opposed to just ITV, C4, C5 in the commercial side of things. This would mean BBC Three, Four, Parliament and News but guess not the regional variations of BBC1/2 in the 900's.
11.023H 8900 DVB-S2 8PSK SR 23000 has FEC 2/3, not 5/6 [this needs checking as others are still quoting 22000 5/6]
11.222 H, 27.500, 2/3.
"52060"....Showing 'Heat'.
"52065"....Showing 'Magic'.
Txp# D4S 11.527 V
50366______For 'BT Sport 1' (Commercial or ROI)
.
Txp# 31 12.304 H should show DVB-S2 QPSK SR 29500 FEC 3/4
12.607 H is Txp# F3L , not F4L
Txp# F4L 12.607 V (not H!)
55336_______For 'BT Sport 2' (Commercial or ROI)
How far out is the sound? I thought this was actually silent?
I reckon it was about a second or so out. What are you using to monitor it with, it might be with no VPID PCR reference some receivers don't sync the audio at all?
Yep, I read that. It's interesting as if they waiver the BBC retransmission fees then surely everyone else will want the same!
Yep, I read that. It's interesting as if they waiver the BBC retransmission fees then surely everyone else will want the same![/QUOTE]
What 'retansmission'
The BBC pays for the transmission.
I need to know the resolutions of Sky Sports 1, 2, 3, 4, News & F1 SD channels.
Please?
55305 - showing Box Nation
55306 - showing ESPN America[/QUOTE]
Interesting one with Box Nation being paired with ESPN on this Txp. Looks like movement for BT.
12.607 V
55306 - showing ESPN America has EPG data for Racing UK at present. Very odd.
Maybe the BBC will finally succumb to the fact nobody else can afford the 5th DTT HD slot and surprise us all with a launch of 'Red Button HD' across all platforms for Wimbledon??
That's wierd, I'm just using a Panasonic Freesat enabled TV. I wonder if the Technosat handles the audio differently if there's no correct PCR PID time-reference wise?
Press info twice and I get this,
VPID 5300
APID 5301
PPID 8191
"52225" has now been relabelled as 'LiverpoolFCTV'.
'Livepool FCTV' has now changed transponders, moving from 11.585 H, 27.500, 2/3 to 11.307 H, 27.500, 2/3.
"55305" has now been relabelled as 'BoxNation'.
'Box Nation' has now changed transponders, moving from 11.585 H, 27.500, 2/3 to 12.607 V, 27.500, 2/3.
Correct. But the PCR PID is actually =1. 8191 is -1 or 1FFF in HEX). So the channel itslef is not configured properly. The PCR should be the same as the VPID on a TV channel and the same as an APID for a radio channel.
12.207 V, 27.500, 2/3.
"4761" has now been relabelled as 'PICK TV FSAT'.
11.565 V, 27.500, 2/3.
"6041" has now been relabelled as 'SKY Challenge TV FSAT'.