Because devolution has allowed us to protect the welfare state to a degree while the England has had to suffer privatisation and the introduction of fee's etc. So when you say there is no sign that anything would be different devolution demonstrates how that is a stupid and ignorant statement that has no basis in reality.
Well, it's degrees of difference, isn't it. The welfare state in Scotland has to a certain extent been privatised just as England has.
Where we have no fees the rest of the UK has different things that we don't, different disease treatments or cancer medicines for example.
In general, were only different by a few minor points and some of our gains are offset by some of our losses.
Take one thing, there's no jobs for graduating nurses in any numbers right now and a great many of them are heading to England where there are jobs and they are actively recruiting Scots nurses. Nurses that most likely will never return here.
So where is the real difference? Devolution has I think been a positive thing for Scots but I'm not convinced it's been an entirely positive thing for Scotland.
Correct. It is a complete fallacy to accuse the Scottish government of discriminating against the other countries of the UK. Scotland will become an independent country, but it is not an independent country yet. After a yes vote in the devolution referendum the Westminster government devolved powers to Scotland, but Scotland is still part of the UK, and under a quirk of EU rules if Scotland wants to allow free tuition fees for people who live in Scotland then it has to allow students from other EU countries free tuition too.
Are you saying that if Scotland becomes independent then it will 'under a quirk of EU rules' (better known as anti-discrimination laws) have to allow students from all the other EU members free tuition?
Except that of course it hasn't. There is nothing remarkable about free tuition, it happens all across Europe so the idea that it can only happen by charging English students is a nonsense. England has exceptionally high fee's compared to any other EU state and to expect Scotland to take on the burden of paying English students when their own governments has refused to is not reasonable.
I précis this by saying I wholeheartedly agree with the Scots take on tuition.
However, do English and Scots students get treated differently in Germany or France?
If the answer is no, then it is discriminatory for them to be treated so in Scotland.
Correct. It is a complete fallacy to accuse the Scottish government of discriminating against the other countries of the UK. Scotland will become an independent country, but it is not an independent country yet. After a yes vote in the devolution referendum the Westminster government devolved powers to Scotland, but Scotland is still part of the UK, and under a quirk of EU rules if Scotland wants to allow free tuition fees for people who live in Scotland then it has to allow students from other EU countries free tuition too.
I précis this by saying I wholeheartedly agree with the Scots take on tuition.
However, do English and Scots students get treated differently in Germany or France?
If the answer is no, then it is discriminatory for them to be treated so in Scotland.
If were all Europeans, then?
A better way (and more accurate) is that although it does discriminate, it's ok, because we are all part of the UK and it is a solution agreed by Westminster.
However, if Scotland become independent, it would make no sense for the discrimination to continue.
What was that? A poor attempt at an Ad Homiem attack?
Nope. How is pointing out that you're a British Nationalist any more of an 'ad hominem attack' than you calling others simply 'nationalists'? Or is this a tacit admission that attacking posters is your game? :S
Of course, the old, if you aren't in favour of independence you must be a British Nationalist.
While the Blue Jacketed Salmond troopers are in no way evoking nationalism?
Ah, but you're not only 'not in favour of independence', you're vehemently and passionately opposed to the very idea of Scotland governing itself. Rather like a stick of rock, you'd have a Union Jack running right down the middle of you. Of course, it's rather sad that you have to resort to slurs about advocates of independence in order to make your cause look more appealing.
A better way (and more accurate) is that although it does discriminate, it's ok, because we are all part of the UK and it is a solution agreed by Westminster.
However, if Scotland become independent, it would make no sense for the discrimination to continue.
But it is still not discrimination . Are you also accusing the Welsh of discrimination as well?
Ah, but you're not only 'not in favour of independence', you're vehemently and passionately opposed to the very idea of Scotland governing itself. Rather like a stick of rock, you'd have a Union Jack running right down the middle of you. Of course, it's rather sad that you have to resort to slurs about advocates of independence in order to make your cause look more appealing.
No need to slur you as your idiotic statement there speaks volumes.
Are you saying that if Scotland becomes independent then it will 'under a quirk of EU rules' (better known as anti-discrimination laws) have to allow students from all the other EU members free tuition?
As Margo says the politics comes after the referendum. It is SNP policy to allow free tuition fees. It is not the policy of any of the unionist parties, and unless the SNP have another landslide, it should be a combination, or perhaps all three of them who will form an alliance to govern Scotland. I also expect them to sell Scottish Water at the earliest opportunity, and to start the ball rolling with privatisation of the NHS and other publically owned services. It will be 2026 before the SNP return to power.
As Margo says the politics comes after the referendum. It is SNP policy to allow free tuition fees. It is not the policy of any of the unionist parties, and unless the SNP have another landslide, it should be a combination, or perhaps all three of them who will form an alliance to govern Scotland. I also expect them to sell Scottish Water at the earliest opportunity, and to start the ball rolling with privatisation of the NHS and other publically owned services. It will be 2026 before the SNP return to power.
Margo is deed....... Should be as Margo said....
Its very telling that you believe that even under independence things will get a lot worse. Even under independence you see the NHS being privatised. Even under independence you believe water will be privatised and even under independence other services will be privatised.
I don't think any party would form an alliance with the SNP, ever.......
Its very telling that you believe that even under independence things will get a lot worse. Even under independence you see the NHS being privatised. Even under independence you believe water will be privatised and even under independence other services will be privatised.
I don't think any party would form an alliance with the SNP, ever.......
I think it is aninteresting idea that Labour, the libdems and the Tories would form an allegence to keep the SNP out .
Its very telling that you believe that even under independence things will get a lot worse. Even under independence you see the NHS being privatised. Even under independence you believe water will be privatised and even under independence other services will be privatised.
I don't think any party would form an alliance with the SNP, ever.......
I don't agree.. Scotland will be much better off as an independent country. I think the Unionist Parties need to win the election so that Scots like yourself feel reassured during the changeover.
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Well, it's degrees of difference, isn't it. The welfare state in Scotland has to a certain extent been privatised just as England has.
Where we have no fees the rest of the UK has different things that we don't, different disease treatments or cancer medicines for example.
In general, were only different by a few minor points and some of our gains are offset by some of our losses.
Take one thing, there's no jobs for graduating nurses in any numbers right now and a great many of them are heading to England where there are jobs and they are actively recruiting Scots nurses. Nurses that most likely will never return here.
So where is the real difference? Devolution has I think been a positive thing for Scots but I'm not convinced it's been an entirely positive thing for Scotland.
Are you saying that if Scotland becomes independent then it will 'under a quirk of EU rules' (better known as anti-discrimination laws) have to allow students from all the other EU members free tuition?
I précis this by saying I wholeheartedly agree with the Scots take on tuition.
However, do English and Scots students get treated differently in Germany or France?
If the answer is no, then it is discriminatory for them to be treated so in Scotland.
If were all Europeans, then?
You can't use logic with Nationalists, you should know that.
Wel perhaps if you tell me what they are buying we can see if they can get it elsewhere?
Does that include British Nationalists such as yourself?
Which, if there was independence, will all end.
A better way (and more accurate) is that although it does discriminate, it's ok, because we are all part of the UK and it is a solution agreed by Westminster.
However, if Scotland become independent, it would make no sense for the discrimination to continue.
What was that? A poor attempt at an Ad Homiem attack?
Whiskey and chemicals are big exports.
Nope. How is pointing out that you're a British Nationalist any more of an 'ad hominem attack' than you calling others simply 'nationalists'? Or is this a tacit admission that attacking posters is your game? :S
Of course, the old, if you aren't in favour of independence you must be a British Nationalist.
While the Blue Jacketed Salmond troopers are in no way evoking nationalism?
You brought it up you supply the info. If you do not know why bring it up?
Ah, but you're not only 'not in favour of independence', you're vehemently and passionately opposed to the very idea of Scotland governing itself. Rather like a stick of rock, you'd have a Union Jack running right down the middle of you.
Er, no you brought it up I think.
But it is still not discrimination . Are you also accusing the Welsh of discrimination as well?
No need to slur you as your idiotic statement there speaks volumes.
As Margo says the politics comes after the referendum. It is SNP policy to allow free tuition fees. It is not the policy of any of the unionist parties, and unless the SNP have another landslide, it should be a combination, or perhaps all three of them who will form an alliance to govern Scotland. I also expect them to sell Scottish Water at the earliest opportunity, and to start the ball rolling with privatisation of the NHS and other publically owned services. It will be 2026 before the SNP return to power.
No you did. In post 8313 where you said:
"This is why independence outwith a CU is a disaster before it starts.
The UK would seek cheaper alternatives to Scots goods if we became a foreign country."
How so?
Margo is deed....... Should be as Margo said....
Its very telling that you believe that even under independence things will get a lot worse. Even under independence you see the NHS being privatised. Even under independence you believe water will be privatised and even under independence other services will be privatised.
I don't think any party would form an alliance with the SNP, ever.......
I think it is aninteresting idea that Labour, the libdems and the Tories would form an allegence to keep the SNP out .
And so they would, wouldn't you?
However, if your saying that they may not be able to get some, you need to say what they won't be able to get.
Bearing in mind as it's 60% then it can't just be whiskey and Harris tweed.
Not accusing, they clearly do. However, as I've said. That is fine within the UK.
I don't agree.. Scotland will be much better off as an independent country. I think the Unionist Parties need to win the election so that Scots like yourself feel reassured during the changeover.