I think Hamas need to show us the bomb and shell casings from the munitions Israel fired.
It's strange they haven't, isn't it.;-)
Yes it is odd. Due to the islamists disgregard for human life and there seeming desire for a high death rate, it would not be beyond them to plant bombs in schools and hospitals. Then blame Israel. Their cop out is to say 'they were martyred in the name of islam'. Sickening.
Meanwhile, US aircraft are currently bombing another lot of fundamentalists in two areas of Iraq - to protect US diplomats and forces on the ground and stop the ISIL genocide of the Yasdi. Obama has been on TV and said he authorised strikes if necessary - but they have already started.
Doubtless Clegg will demand we condemn the US if any bombs miss ........
Doubtless Warsi will be livid with rage too, lets not forget most of the murderous militant mahometans committing these barbaric blood curdling acts are (so-called) british islamics, taught, trained and tutored in the United Kingdom, many of whom could quite conceivably be her cousins or would-be constituents. International Law should extend Iraq and Syria the rights of self defence and Obama should acquiesce and obliterate their isis "trojan horse" bases in Tower Hamlets and Birmingham and Burnley.
Stop talking nonsense. Only the incredibly brave stand up to a war machine like Israel's and WWll Germany.
They arent really 'standing up to it' though are they. Their beliefs have made them weak, cowardly and corrupt and they hide in schools, UN shelters and hospitals among women and children. If hamas has one shred of decency they would come out of their holes in the ground and have a fair fight instead of deliberately endangering civilians in order to provokev a response by muslims and the hard-left, in the West.
They arent really 'standing up to it' though are they. Their beliefs have made them weak, cowardly and corrupt and they hide in schools, UN shelters and hospitals among women and children. If hamas has one shred of decency they would come out of their holes in the ground and have a fair fight instead of deliberately endangering civilians in order to provokev a response by muslims and the hard-left, in the West.
1) Funny how the UN and surgeons have been the loudest critics of Israel shelling schools and hospitals. You'd think they'd be criticising Hamas for putting people in danger. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything the Israel government tells you?
2) "a fair fight"? One side has billions of dollars of hardware, and the other has some smuggled side arms and crude missiles.
1) Funny how the UN and surgeons have been the loudest critics of Israel shelling schools and hospitals. You'd think they'd be criticising Hamas for putting people in danger. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything the Israel government tells you?
Hamas don't do criticism or honesty
Despite the large number of international journalists reporting from Gaza during Operation Protective Edge, images of Hamas terrorists have scarcely appeared in Western media outlets. This is primarily because Hamas threatens journalists who don’t tell the story the way Hamas wants it to be told.
Filmmaker Michael Grynszpan wrote on Facebook that a Spanish journalist had given him a straightforward explanation as to why images of Hamas terrorists were not appearing in the media. “It’s very simple. We did see Hamas people there, launching rockets. They were close to our hotel, but if ever we dared pointing our camera on them, they would simply shoot at us and kill us.”
The only people targeting schools and hospitals were the IDF.
The only people firing from schools and hospitals were Hamas. It's strange really how Westerners and Israelis have compassion for the children used in this way, while Hamas see them as a photo opportunity.
The only people firing from schools and hospitals were Hamas. It's strange really how Westerners and Israelis have compassion for the children used in this way, while Hamas see them as a photo opportunity.
The whole concept of a "human shield" requires that your enemy doesn't want to kill innocent people. In Gaza, I don't think either side cares about killing innocent people.
I'm sure the IDF will "investigate" the many atrocities they have been accused of committing, but I doubt they will ever admit the buildings they shelled were not being used by Hamas.
I'm sorry, but reading "IDF Blog" doesn't seem like a likely source of impartial information on events in Gaza.
Others in this thread would have you believe Al Jazaheera is impartial and treat it as gospel.
This is despite the fact it's headquarters are in Qatar and the Hamas leader live in Doha with $2.6 fortune.
If anyone can prove that any information on IDF blog is lies then feel free. I am sure you will find thet have been truthful throughout the campaign.
Others in this thread would have you believe Al Jazaheera is impartial and treat it as gospel.
This is despite the face it's headquarters are in Qatar and the Hamas leader live in Doha with $2.6 fortune.
If anyone can prove that any information on IDF is lies then feel free. I am sure you will find the truthful throughout the campaign.
That's why I prefer news from sources far less coupled to either side of the conflict.
Only an idiot would believe everything that he couldn't prove was a lie. I don't need to prove anything is a lie to be sceptical of a source of information.
The whole concept of a "human shield" requires that your enemy doesn't want to kill innocent people. In Gaza, I don't think either side cares about killing innocent people.
Got to disagree a little. The whole concept of a "human shield" (in this case) is to garner sympathy from other nations and paint the other fella as a bad guy.
Got to disagree a little. The whole concept of a "human shield" (in this case) is to garner sympathy from other nations and paint the other fella as a bad guy.
So when a bank robber takes hostages, he is expecting the Police to kill everyone, but he'll get good publicity?
No, because in virtually all cases, the authorities try to resolve the situation without killing anyone that happens to be nearby.
Sadly, normal rules don't apply in this blood bath.
Whether they are or are not purposely using human shields is a bit moot anyway as even if (and its a big if) then its certainly not morally right to say 'sod it' and bomb the crap out of schools and hospitals anyway.
It's like a bank robber surrounding himself with children in an attempt to escape and the police shooting the crap out of the lot of them with a minigun.
Edit: just saw someone else had mentioned the bank robber analogy, Great minds and all that...
Are those the same rules that Hamas break every time.
Dressing as civilians in combat, using build-up areas to launch missiles and their own manual citing the use of human shields.
Somehow the bank robber analogy is inadequate,
I know its hard for you, but no where have I ever sided with Hamas. Try to understand that not everyone is either 100% pro-Israel, or 100% a Hamas supporter.
No one forced the IDF to fire on UN shelters or hospitals. Firing on UN shelters and hospitals then saying "they made me do it" isn't very convincing.
Then complaining that the people the IDF killed are helping Hamas win the PR war is even more pathetic. If they don't want dead women and children to be shown on the world's TV screens, try a little harder to kill less women and children.
Same old claim, same old excuse: it's all the fault of Hamas. Hamas has created an iron dome type structure built exclusively of human shields - Hamas are thus sheltered from sea, land and air.
News Flash: Hamas was created by Israel in 1987 - Palestinians have been slaughtered on a regular basis since the 1940s.
Amnesty Int. has claimed that the IDF uses Palestinians as human shields. There's a video on the thread somewhere showing how the IDF force a Palestinian to enter homes ahead of them.
Whether they are or are not purposely using human shields is a bit moot anyway as even if (and its a big if) then its certainly not morally right to say 'sod it' and bomb the crap out of schools and hospitals anyway.
It's like a bank robber surrounding himself with children in an attempt to escape and the police shooting the crap out of the lot of them with a minigun.
Edit: just saw someone else had mentioned the bank robber analogy, Great minds and all that...
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Yes it is odd. Due to the islamists disgregard for human life and there seeming desire for a high death rate, it would not be beyond them to plant bombs in schools and hospitals. Then blame Israel. Their cop out is to say 'they were martyred in the name of islam'. Sickening.
They arent really 'standing up to it' though are they. Their beliefs have made them weak, cowardly and corrupt and they hide in schools, UN shelters and hospitals among women and children. If hamas has one shred of decency they would come out of their holes in the ground and have a fair fight instead of deliberately endangering civilians in order to provokev a response by muslims and the hard-left, in the West.
Indeed. It is well known the IDF are so inefficient that all of the deaths and devastation caused in Gaza were, in fact, carried out by Hamas.
Which explains the unfortunate massive surge in popularity for them.
People, after all, love having their kids killed and mutilated.......
Hamas certainly seem to. Why else would they be turning schools and hospitals into military targets?
1) Funny how the UN and surgeons have been the loudest critics of Israel shelling schools and hospitals. You'd think they'd be criticising Hamas for putting people in danger. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything the Israel government tells you?
2) "a fair fight"? One side has billions of dollars of hardware, and the other has some smuggled side arms and crude missiles.
The only people targeting schools and hospitals were the IDF.
Hamas don't do criticism or honesty http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/08/07/invisible-face-hamas/
Israel have committed criminal acts by hitting UN-administered shelters.
The second Hamas store or fire rockets from them they are a legitimate military target
I'm sorry, but reading "IDF Blog" doesn't seem like a likely source of impartial information on events in Gaza.
The only people firing from schools and hospitals were Hamas. It's strange really how Westerners and Israelis have compassion for the children used in this way, while Hamas see them as a photo opportunity.
The whole concept of a "human shield" requires that your enemy doesn't want to kill innocent people. In Gaza, I don't think either side cares about killing innocent people.
I'm sure the IDF will "investigate" the many atrocities they have been accused of committing, but I doubt they will ever admit the buildings they shelled were not being used by Hamas.
Others in this thread would have you believe Al Jazaheera is impartial and treat it as gospel.
This is despite the fact it's headquarters are in Qatar and the Hamas leader live in Doha with $2.6 fortune.
If anyone can prove that any information on IDF blog is lies then feel free. I am sure you will find thet have been truthful throughout the campaign.
That's why I prefer news from sources far less coupled to either side of the conflict.
Only an idiot would believe everything that he couldn't prove was a lie. I don't need to prove anything is a lie to be sceptical of a source of information.
Got to disagree a little. The whole concept of a "human shield" (in this case) is to garner sympathy from other nations and paint the other fella as a bad guy.
So when a bank robber takes hostages, he is expecting the Police to kill everyone, but he'll get good publicity?
No, because in virtually all cases, the authorities try to resolve the situation without killing anyone that happens to be nearby.
Sadly, normal rules don't apply in this blood bath.
Are those the same rules that Hamas break every time.
Dressing as civilians in combat, using build-up areas to launch missiles and their own manual citing the use of human shields.
Somehow the bank robber analogy is inadequate,
It's like a bank robber surrounding himself with children in an attempt to escape and the police shooting the crap out of the lot of them with a minigun.
Edit: just saw someone else had mentioned the bank robber analogy, Great minds and all that...
I know its hard for you, but no where have I ever sided with Hamas. Try to understand that not everyone is either 100% pro-Israel, or 100% a Hamas supporter.
No one forced the IDF to fire on UN shelters or hospitals. Firing on UN shelters and hospitals then saying "they made me do it" isn't very convincing.
Then complaining that the people the IDF killed are helping Hamas win the PR war is even more pathetic. If they don't want dead women and children to be shown on the world's TV screens, try a little harder to kill less women and children.
News Flash: Hamas was created by Israel in 1987 - Palestinians have been slaughtered on a regular basis since the 1940s.
Amnesty Int. has claimed that the IDF uses Palestinians as human shields. There's a video on the thread somewhere showing how the IDF force a Palestinian to enter homes ahead of them.
It's nothing like a bank robbery.