So maybe we don't end-up with another Islamic State.
Prove it. Show us a credible a link. She is actually more left-wing as are most people who don't want the intolerance of Islam growing through world.
Knowing left from Right, usually causes confusion...I would say IS are right wing, far, far right.
Hopefully IS will be consigned to the History books, under the heading "Genocide" and a chapter about how another "Final Solution" group has bit the dust.
The number of girls under 18 at risk for FGM in the US has quadrupled since 1997. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates 513,000 women and girls are at risk of FGM in the US.
Knowing left from Right, usually causes confusion...I would say IS are right wing, far, far right.
Hopefully IS will be consigned to the History books, under the heading "Genocide" and a chapter about how another "Final Solution" group has bit the dust.
Most of them are still going, all relying on each other to prove a point...oddly enough the majority have one thing in common. (the un-Islamic Islam) ;-)
Have a look at this list, their locations and spot the difference.
I don't admire any one Islamic country. I don't have to. There are some features I might admire, art, carpets, food.
And no poster is required to answer questions.
carpets . . . ??
I'm talking bout islamic ideology and how it's represented by the vast sects and countries that use islam as their religion politics etc.
you just keep dodging this .
Most of them are still going, all relying on each other to prove a point...oddly enough the majority have one thing in common. (the un-Islamic Islam) ;-)
Have a look at this list, their locations and spot the difference.
I'm talking bout islamic ideology and how it's represented by the vast sects and countries that use islam as their religion politics etc.
you just keep dodging this .
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Good Luck with your quest for a logical answer Virgil...perhaps the "carpets" should read "prayer mats?"
I'm talking bout islamic ideology and how it's represented by the vast sects and countries that use islam as their religion politics etc.
you just keep dodging this .
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You aren't getting something. You seem to think that if someone defends X from attack, that means they admire X or want to be like X.
More likely it is against my ethics to attack religion in an unwarranted way.
It makes any religion vulnerable to attack.
So far I'm not seeing proof that Islam is a violent religion or that the Qu'ran compels to violence.
You asked me about a country and I answered. I don't have to admire an ideology either.
So you can't prove she is connected with 'right wing fundamentalists' and so moved the goalposts to 'political fundamentalists'.
Therefore you have lied.
No you are misinterpreting or misquoting. There are political fundamentalists in the US. I didn't say religious fundamentalists. Although truth be told, there are many religious fundamentalists in the right wing, and among neocons.
It is generally considered right wing in the US to be so against Islam. You will find it in Fox News and Christian Fundamentalists, generally.
Ali's brand of anti-Islamic speech is generally not welcome by left wing. She is a right wing darling.
You aren't getting something. You seem to think that if someone defends X from attack, that means they admire X or want to be like X.
More likely it is against my ethics to attack religion in an unwarranted way.
It makes any religion vulnerable to attack.
So far I'm not seeing proof that Islam is a violent religion or that the Qu'ran compels to violence.
You asked me about a country and I answered. I don't have to admire an ideology either.
What is the point of your question?
"Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
What is the literal interpretation of a verse which proscribes fighting ?
"Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
What is the literal interpretation of a verse which proscribes fighting ?
If you read the piece I linked to about why the Atlantic article dangerously misrepresents Islam, you will see that ISIS doesn't read the Qu'ran literally. It cannot in fact be read literally.
You aren't getting something. You seem to think that if someone defends X from attack, that means they admire X or want to be like X.
More likely it is against my ethics to attack religion in an unwarranted way.
It makes any religion vulnerable to attack.
So far I'm not seeing proof that Islam is a violent religion or that the Qu'ran compels to violence.
You asked me about a country and I answered. I don't have to admire an ideology either.
What is the point of your question?
the point is that if you want to talk about islam you can't ignore the vast sects and countries that use it as their ideology / politics/religion .
I think you don't want to talk about them because you know that you'll have all sorts of trouble defending them , and yet they represent the vast majority of islam and how it's operated and how it influences muslims . and of course affects many other countries /cultures.
If you read the piece I linked to about why the Atlantic article dangerously misrepresents Islam, you will see that ISIS doesn't read the Qu'ran literally. It cannot in fact be read literally.
Stop dodging the difficult question with external links.
""Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
What is the literal interpretation of a verse which proscribes fighting.
Stop dodging the difficult question with external links.
""Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
What is the literal interpretation of a verse which proscribes fighting.
You can't give a literal interpretation of one verse. You have to weigh it against the entire Qu'ran. That would be like picking something in the OT and doing it.
Also, didn't you omit the part that says if you are selfish or aggressive or a bully you deserve censure?
You can't give a literal interpretation of one verse. You have to weigh it against the entire Qu'ran. That would be like picking something in the OT and doing it.
Still can't answer the question.
The Qu'ran is not chronological. Any verse can be used with others.
So
"Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
the point is that if you want to talk about islam you can't ignore the vast sects and countries that use it as their ideology / politics/religion .
I think you don't want to talk about them because you know that you'll have all sorts of trouble defending them , and yet they represent the vast majority of islam and how it's operated and how it influences muslims . and of course affects many other countries /cultures.
What do you think of Pakistan ?
Sharia law ?
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That's wrong. I don't have to defend sharia law, or Pakistan, in order to point out that many interpretations of Islam function quite well without sharia. Or without emulating Pakistan. There are many imams who teach no such thing.
Are you going to say peaceful Muslims are wrong? How are they wrong?
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Her support of neocons is well known in the U.S.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/hirsi_ali_ayaan
Fox News jumps to defend her.
Much anti-islamic stance is found in the right wing.
I asked for a credible source, not someone else's opinion on a web blog.
Can you provide a link to the 'right fundamentalists' which she is connected with.
Rightweb is part of Institute for Policy Studies.
Knowing left from Right, usually causes confusion...I would say IS are right wing, far, far right.
Hopefully IS will be consigned to the History books, under the heading "Genocide" and a chapter about how another "Final Solution" group has bit the dust.
Can you tell us which 'right fundamentalists' she is connected with.
Yes or No.
Neocon fundamentalists.
Who is us? Aren't you just one poster?
I'm asking you about the major countries and sects which make up the vast majority of islam , but as usual you prefer to dodge that .
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Which ones ? What are their names.
The 'us' are the other people waiting for your mountain of evidence that is connected 'right wing fundamentalists'.
http://www.theahafoundation.org/female-genital-mutilation/
Is standing against FGM being a fundamentalist ?
well the Taliban are still going .
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The article names one of the neocons.
Neocons are political fundamentalists.
Is there a problem with nuances?
I don't admire any one Islamic country. I don't have to. There are some features I might admire, art, carpets, food. Or do admire.
And no poster is required to answer questions. I might ask why the questions.
Most of them are still going, all relying on each other to prove a point...oddly enough the majority have one thing in common. (the un-Islamic Islam) ;-)
Have a look at this list, their locations and spot the difference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations
carpets . . . ??
I'm talking bout islamic ideology and how it's represented by the vast sects and countries that use islam as their religion politics etc.
you just keep dodging this .
.
Most of them are still going, all relying on each other to prove a point...oddly enough the majority have one thing in common. (the un-Islamic Islam) ;-)
Have a look at this list, their locations and spot the difference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations
Good Luck with your quest for a logical answer Virgil...perhaps the "carpets" should read "prayer mats?"
So you can't prove she is connected with 'right wing fundamentalists' and so moved the goalposts to 'political fundamentalists'.
Therefore you have lied.
You aren't getting something. You seem to think that if someone defends X from attack, that means they admire X or want to be like X.
More likely it is against my ethics to attack religion in an unwarranted way.
It makes any religion vulnerable to attack.
So far I'm not seeing proof that Islam is a violent religion or that the Qu'ran compels to violence.
You asked me about a country and I answered. I don't have to admire an ideology either.
What is the point of your question?
No you are misinterpreting or misquoting. There are political fundamentalists in the US. I didn't say religious fundamentalists. Although truth be told, there are many religious fundamentalists in the right wing, and among neocons.
It is generally considered right wing in the US to be so against Islam. You will find it in Fox News and Christian Fundamentalists, generally.
Ali's brand of anti-Islamic speech is generally not welcome by left wing. She is a right wing darling.
"Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
What is the literal interpretation of a verse which proscribes fighting ?
If you read the piece I linked to about why the Atlantic article dangerously misrepresents Islam, you will see that ISIS doesn't read the Qu'ran literally. It cannot in fact be read literally.
Here:
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/02/18/3624121/atlantic-gets-dangerously-wrong-isis-islam/
the point is that if you want to talk about islam you can't ignore the vast sects and countries that use it as their ideology / politics/religion .
I think you don't want to talk about them because you know that you'll have all sorts of trouble defending them , and yet they represent the vast majority of islam and how it's operated and how it influences muslims . and of course affects many other countries /cultures.
What do you think of Pakistan ?
Sharia law ?
.
.
Stop dodging the difficult question with external links.
""Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
What is the literal interpretation of a verse which proscribes fighting.
You can't give a literal interpretation of one verse. You have to weigh it against the entire Qu'ran. That would be like picking something in the OT and doing it.
Also, didn't you omit the part that says if you are selfish or aggressive or a bully you deserve censure?
Still can't answer the question.
The Qu'ran is not chronological. Any verse can be used with others.
So
"Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
What is the literal interpretation of that verse.
That's wrong. I don't have to defend sharia law, or Pakistan, in order to point out that many interpretations of Islam function quite well without sharia. Or without emulating Pakistan. There are many imams who teach no such thing.
Are you going to say peaceful Muslims are wrong? How are they wrong?