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Flat USB cables?

Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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So, they seem like the "trendy" thing at the moment.

Bought a few of them and, I gotta say, I don't really see the attraction at all.
Because they're flat they're more noticeable, they're harder to coil up tidily for storage and they seem to get kinked and squashed easily too.

Seems like there's no good reason for them except that they're new and different and that, seemingly, makes them "cool".

Am I missing something?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,078
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    They're cool. I think you nailed it. :)
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    RobinOfLoxleyRobinOfLoxley Posts: 27,040
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    So, they seem like the "trendy" thing at the moment.

    Bought a few of them and, I gotta say, I don't really see the attraction at all.
    Because they're flat they're more noticeable, they're harder to coil up tidily for storage and they seem to get kinked and squashed easily too.

    Seems like there's no good reason for them except that they're new and different and that, seemingly, makes them "cool".

    Am I missing something?

    Every generation of designers forget some of the lessons learned by previous generations.

    Also, 'designers' may be mechanical, electrical or aesthetics. They all have different agendas (although good designers will appreciate the nuances and constraints of the other disciplines).

    Or Management and Marketing know they might have problems but sell because they look 'modern'. They monitor how many are returned as 'not fit for purpose' and whether the company gets a bad reputation for selling crap products.
    Often, products are sold as 'good enough' rather than starting again.
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    LION8TIGERLION8TIGER Posts: 8,484
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    I have not seen a flat USB cable yet apart from pics that I just googled, I didn't know they existed and I can't see any reason for them.
    I don't like flat HDMI cables, we have one of them and it works fine but hardly ever gets used.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    I've read that flat cables are made because they supposedly don't easily, or at all, get tangled.
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    RobinOfLoxleyRobinOfLoxley Posts: 27,040
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    zx50 wrote: »
    I've read that flat cables are made because they supposedly don't easily, or at all, get tangled.

    I had something like this once http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-A3L791-RTC/

    It did get tangled and was cheap and nasty rubbish.

    If you stand on a flat cable, when it is twisted, so that you make a crease in it, it is often ruined.

    Also, flat cables suffer more from noise and crosstalk.
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    LION8TIGERLION8TIGER Posts: 8,484
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    I had something like this once http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-A3L791-RTC/

    It did get tangled and was cheap and nasty rubbish.

    If you stand on a flat cable, when it is twisted, so that you make a crease in it, it is often ruined.

    Also, flat cables suffer more from noise and crosstalk.

    Yes I definitely don't like them.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    I had something like this once http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-A3L791-RTC/

    It did get tangled and was cheap and nasty rubbish.

    If you stand on a flat cable, when it is twisted, so that you make a crease in it, it is often ruined.

    Also, flat cables suffer more from noise and crosstalk.

    I suppose it will get tangled if you're careless with it. I like to keep all my cables separate from the others, and in a straight line.
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    zx50 wrote: »
    I've read that flat cables are made because they supposedly don't easily, or at all, get tangled.

    Funny thing there is, there's a grain of truth in that.

    If you have a length of rope and you knot it and pull it really tight, it'll be difficult to get the knot out.
    If you do the same thing with a similar length of flat webbing it'll be easier to get the knot out because it won't knot as neatly.

    Course, if you're pulling computer cables so tight that they get properly knotted, what you need is a good slab on the head rather than a different kind of cable.

    I bought them 'cos I wanted a bunch of long (and colour-coded) cables for stuff like tablets and phones and I can confidently report that they quickly tangle into a right old rat's nest at the side of the sofa, just like regular cables. :(
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    Funny thing there is, there's a grain of truth in that.

    If you have a length of rope and you knot it and pull it really tight, it'll be difficult to get the knot out.
    If you do the same thing with a similar length of flat webbing it'll be easier to get the knot out because it won't knot as neatly.

    Course, if you're pulling computer cables so tight that they get properly knotted, what you need is a good slab on the head rather than a different kind of cable.

    I bought them 'cos I wanted a bunch of long (and colour-coded) cables for stuff like tablets and phones and I can confidently report that they quickly tangle into a right old rat's nest at the side of the sofa, just like regular cables. :(

    My cables don't tangle because I arrange them so that they don't look like the Spaghetti Junction.
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    RobinOfLoxleyRobinOfLoxley Posts: 27,040
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    zx50 wrote: »
    My cables don't tangle because I arrange them so that they don't look like the Spaghetti Junction.

    Yes, you pointed out before when you suggested I was careless too in my cable management.

    Your gaff must be immune from the 'Laws of Physics' (Entropy, Chaos Theory etc)


    Robin's Law: If a cable can get tangled, it will.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    Yes, you pointed out before when you suggested I was careless too in my cable management.

    Your gaff must be immune from the 'Laws of Physics' (Entropy, Chaos Theory etc)


    Robin's Law: If a cable can get tangled, it will.

    No, I just have them arranged in the right way.
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    zx50 wrote: »
    No, I just have them arranged in the right way.

    That being the case, surely no cable will get tangled, regardless of type? :confused:
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    That being the case, surely no cable will get tangled, regardless of type? :confused:

    I suppose.
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    RobinOfLoxleyRobinOfLoxley Posts: 27,040
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    I do get annoyed by people who don't appreciate cables though.

    Who tug at rat's nests, wire appliances up with blue and brown primary insulation clamped and who step on trailing temporary and extension cables.

    I won't even step on rubber cable protection strips.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?pws=0&gl=uk&q=rubber+cable+protection+strip&gws_rd=ssl
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    LION8TIGERLION8TIGER Posts: 8,484
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    I think cables tangle themselves when no one is looking, well mine do. Every six months or so I will take out the tower for a spring clean and they are all tangled. I put them back all nice and neat and six months later deja vu, the same mess again.
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    chrisjrchrisjr Posts: 33,282
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    LION8TIGER wrote: »
    I think cables tangle themselves when no one is looking, well mine do. Every six months or so I will take out the tower for a spring clean and they are all tangled. I put them back all nice and neat and six months later deja vu, the same mess again.

    It's the first law of cable management.

    Wherever two or more cables are laid side by side they will spontaneously and without human intervention entangle themselves. :D
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    TrajetTrajet Posts: 2,380
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    chrisjr wrote: »
    It's the first law of cable management.

    Wherever two or more cables are laid side by side they will spontaneously and without human intervention entangle themselves. :D

    That's so true! :D
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    LION8TIGERLION8TIGER Posts: 8,484
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    The 5th one down on the second link has to be the worst, just a mass of yellow !
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    RobinOfLoxleyRobinOfLoxley Posts: 27,040
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    Crossover Cables....
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    c4rv wrote: »

    Whoo! That's what you call a lot of cables.
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    LION8TIGER wrote: »
    I think cables tangle themselves when no one is looking, well mine do. Every six months or so I will take out the tower for a spring clean and they are all tangled. I put them back all nice and neat and six months later deja vu, the same mess again.

    Mentioned it before...

    I've got something like 14 mains leads in the living room, along with the speaker wires for a 7.1 hifi, cables going from a PC and Wii to the telly, cables from the telly to the hifi, cables for my router, cables for my phone, cables for my file-server and charging cables for tablets and phones.

    EVERY time I move the TV stand to hoover underneath it I end up thinking the cables are a right shambles and I end up unplugging them all, sorting them out and putting them back neatly...

    ...and the next time I hoover under the TV stand I end up needing to do the same thing again. :confused:
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    chrisjrchrisjr Posts: 33,282
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    Mentioned it before...

    I've got something like 14 mains leads in the living room, along with the speaker wires for a 7.1 hifi, cables going from a PC and Wii to the telly, cables from the telly to the hifi, cables for my router, cables for my phone, cables for my file-server and charging cables for tablets and phones.

    EVERY time I move the TV stand to hoover underneath it I end up thinking the cables are a right shambles and I end up unplugging them all, sorting them out and putting them back neatly...

    ...and the next time I hoover under the TV stand I end up needing to do the same thing again. :confused:
    As I posted above, first law of cable management. Like Gravity it is one of those universal laws that everything obeys :D

    Thing that gets me is you have two cables, both plugged in each end, that you laid side by side separately. You come back a few days later and they are twisted round each other so that you have to unplug them to disentangle them. How the hell does that happen?? :confused::o:D
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    chrisjr wrote: »
    As I posted above, first law of cable management. Like Gravity it is one of those universal laws that everything obeys :D

    Thing that gets me is you have two cables, both plugged in each end, that you laid side by side separately. You come back a few days later and they are twisted round each other so that you have to unplug them to disentangle them. How the hell does that happen?? :confused::o:D

    The cables connected to my computer never get tangled.
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    whoever,heywhoever,hey Posts: 30,992
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    I hadn't even heard of these and i need a new usb cable. I'm moving them about too much from headphones, phones, console controllers etc.

    I've just had a search for usb cable and have come across braided; are they any good? I've never heard of them either before.

    Such as this
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hi-Speed-Braided-Tangle-Free-Charging-Motorola/dp/B00FAADBHO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1413656976&sr=8-3&keywords=micro+usb+cable
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