And your evidence, that Steve_Middlling is such a "foot soldier", is?
By that logic, any BBC/TVL employee who knocks at my door, must be a violent thug, who assaults disabled people on their own property, and/or a liar who falsifies statements to earn more commission.
After all, TVL have "got form" in sending foot soldiers who do this.
I didnt say he was did I.
I merely pointed out that this has happened quite a number of times, in exactly the same format. Those individuals got banned again pretty quickly.
and when you see spontaneous comments from supposedly naive and brand new posters such as this
After doing a little googling I have found suggestion that this forum is infested with stooges that are payed to bang on about "how good the bbc is"
The alarm bells start to ring.
The number of TVL incidents compared to the number of contacts is totally insignificant.
This whole thread is bizarre, that adults can actually strongly support the idea of the TV Licence (regressive tax) is bad enough, but the method of collection is bullying in the extreme.
No surprise that the strongest supporters exhibit some aspects of bullying themselves, making personal comments against anyone who dare disagree.
The biggest threat to the BBCs future is the TV Licence. It's becoming a liability.
No your comments posted here were off topic and already discussed (destroyed by multiple posters as totally wrong) in another thread.
Your repeating them here was not constructive, so Its hardly surprising you cop some flac.
For your information I want the LF moved to council tax.
Whats your thoughts on the thug at TVLR who threatened to post my name, home address and IP address onto their site for their "foot soldiers" to use for daring to disagree with the nutters on there?
That just plays into the hands of the uncivil people.
Don't like a discussion?
Be uncivil and it won't be discussed again.
A better approach, would be to ban people who cant be civil.
it was only a suggestion it just appears to me it gets discussed so much maybe there should be an area for TVL separate from other things, anything to reduce to slogging matches! and I do think that the current way of making tv free to air and then requiring a TVL makes life difficult, if it was changed to a way where if you didnt pay it gets cut off that would stop the need for the visits making everybody happy. This would also mean that the UK broadcasters could ensure that only people in the UK could get their services too.
Oh look, another thread about the TV Licence. Where somebody newly registered or with a low post count (and it generally always is!) tells a tale about some terrible TV Licencing official bothering them. The usuals pile in and the same arguments go back and forth just like they do every couple of weeks. Funny how its *always* the same pattern... Can someone inform me of when the next one starts up created by a 'new' member 'innocent' of the facts please? :rolleyes:
It is rather obvious when a member is just here to do it.
They only make a few posts, and only in the thread that they started.
If you join without an agenda you browse the forum, and contribute to other threads.
This whole thread is bizarre, that adults can actually strongly support the idea of the TV Licence (regressive tax) is bad enough, but the method of collection is bullying in the extreme.
No surprise that the strongest supporters exhibit some aspects of bullying themselves, making personal comments against anyone who dare disagree.
The biggest threat to the BBCs future is the TV Licence. It's becoming a liability.
What is bizarre about adults supporting a public service?
Should we all stop supporting the NHS, just because we have to pay for it regardless but may never need it?
That just plays into the hands of the uncivil people.
Don't like a discussion?
Be uncivil and it won't be discussed again.
A better approach, would be to ban people who cant be civil.
Maybe mods should start banning members who deliberately post incorrect information, and then continue to post this misinformation even though they have been corrected.
However, we don't have a system, that relies on the householder to do the impossible, ie. prove they don't legally require a TV Licence.
How is it impossible? Either your TV is connected to an aerial and picks up live TV signals or it does not.
No aerial connected (or behind the TV) makes it pretty clear that you are not able to view live TV on it.
Where do you get this nonsense from. BBC One (with ITV) is still the most watched TV channel.
It is rather obvious when a member is just here to do it.
They only make a few posts, and only in the thread that they started.
If you join without an agenda you browse the forum, and contribute to other threads.
What is bizarre about adults supporting a public service?
Should we all stop supporting the NHS, just because we have to pay for it regardless but may never need it?
Maybe mods should start banning members who deliberately post incorrect information, and then continue to post this misinformation even though they have been corrected.
How is it impossible? Either your TV is connected to an aerial and picks up live TV signals or it does not.
No aerial connected (or behind the TV) makes it pretty clear that you are not able to view live TV on it.
Not the full story.
How is it impossible? Either your TV is connected to an aerial and picks up live TV signals or it does not.
No aerial connected (or behind the TV) makes it pretty clear that you are not able to view live TV on it.
They would need to check, in everyroom, every laptop, every mobile phone in your home, which is alot more then a look to see if you have a aerial connected
Maybe mods should start banning members who deliberately post incorrect information, and then continue to post this misinformation even though they have been corrected.
You want the mods to be the arbiters, of what information is true and what is false
How is it impossible?
Because, like the MOT, the inspection only establishes the situation, as it stands at the moment of the inspection.
No aerial connected (or behind the TV) makes it pretty clear that you are not able to view live TV on it.
At the time of the visit, it may not be possible for me to view live TV on my TV set.
That doesn't mean I couldn't have viewed live TV, 1 minute/hour/day/week/month ago.
Nor does it mean I won't be able to viewed live TV, 1 minute/hour/day/week/month in the future.
That is why it is impossible, for me to prove I don't legally require a TV Licence.
Hence why British justice requires the prosecution to prove guilt, rather than the defence to prove innocence.
Not the full story.
How is it impossible? Either your TV is connected to an aerial and picks up live TV signals or it does not.
No aerial connected (or behind the TV) makes it pretty clear that you are not able to view live TV on it.
They would need to check, in everyroom, every laptop, every mobile phone in your home, which is alot more then a look to see if you have a aerial connected
You are the only one even mentioning computers and smartphones.
You are overcomplicating things on purpose in this discussion.
You are the only one even mentioning computers and smartphones.
You are overcomplicating things on purpose in this discussion.
I am not overcomplicating things tvl mention all these things Technology - devices and online
With today’s technology, you can watch TV on more devices than ever, whenever it suits you best. This means a TV Licence doesn’t just cover you to watch TV at home on a TV set. You can also watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV, through all of these devices:
Computers, including laptops and tablets
Mobile phones
Games consoles
Digital boxes, e.g. Freeview, Sky, Virgin, BT Vision
DVD/VHS/Blu-ray recorders.
As long as the address where you live is licensed, you’re also covered to watch TV outside your home using any device powered solely by its own internal batteries. This includes your mobile phone, laptop and tablet.
Exception: If you only watch catch-up services online, then you don’t need a licence. For example, you don’t need one to use BBC iPlayer, or ITV player, to catch up on programmes after they have been shown on TV.
How is it impossible? Either your TV is connected to an aerial and picks up live TV signals or it does not.
No aerial connected (or behind the TV) makes it pretty clear that you are not able to view live TV on it.
Is it actually about being able to receive live broadcasts (i.e. having an aerial/satellite LNB/whatever plugged in) or actually receiving live broadcasts (i.e. watching live TV).
Cos if it's the latter, you can leave your TV aerial plugged in without needing a TV licence.
Is it actually about being able to receive live broadcasts (i.e. having an aerial/satellite LNB/whatever plugged in) or actually receiving live broadcasts (i.e. watching live TV).
Is it actually about being able to receive live broadcasts (i.e. having an aerial/satellite LNB/whatever plugged in) or actually receiving live broadcasts (i.e. watching live TV).
Cos if it's the latter, you can leave your TV aerial plugged in without needing a TV licence.
Really? Well I have the letter plus the cctv footage of him, looking in my windows and posting the damn thing........what do you want me to do? upload it to youtube and post a link here?
I'm surprised you didn't do that first but yes, go for it.
Is it actually about being able to receive live broadcasts (i.e. having an aerial/satellite LNB/whatever plugged in) or actually receiving live broadcasts (i.e. watching live TV).
Cos if it's the latter, you can leave your TV aerial plugged in without needing a TV licence.
It's the latter though you might have a hard time arguing your case in Mags Court.
Department of Trade and Industry Ex Parte Rudd (1987)
2All ER553
In this case, which in fact involved a radio transmitter, it was held that the Prosecution
must prove that a television receiver was
actually used, and not merely that it was
available for use. However, in their judgement in this case, the House of Lords went on to
state that if a television set in working order is found in the sitting room of a house
occupied by the Defendant, it will not be difficult for a Court to draw the necessary
inference that it was being used in the absence of some credible explanation by the
Defendant to the contrary.
I think its pretty obvious that there are lots of "users" here, both pro and anti BBC, who are quoting from scripts.
That rules me out then. I have frequently said the TVL should be replaced by funding from general taxation, which the BBC do not want. Far fairer to the low paid and would save millions lost to evasion and administration.
Once again, it's a poor analogy. People travelling internationally by plane or ship have entered into a contract and are customers of whoever they choose to travel with and have implicitly agreed to a customs search.
People who choose to be LLF haven't entered into any contract and are not customers. They have a right to be left in peace.
To answer your question though, (although I cannot see the point of it) I simply don't know what the success/failure rate is.
Maybe some research would provide the answer but I have no inclination to do such research.
So there is no right to travel unless you agree to give up some of your rights?
If you continue to live in a society you are agreeing to follow its rules and laws. The TV licence is one of them, created by Parliament, and TVL knocking on your door and asking to come in does not violate any laws or rights.
You have proof (or even just evidence) he's been registered before?
I notice you have never asked for proof on the many times someone has claimed posters like me actually work for the BBC. That claim you seem to accept without question.
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I didnt say he was did I.
I merely pointed out that this has happened quite a number of times, in exactly the same format. Those individuals got banned again pretty quickly.
and when you see spontaneous comments from supposedly naive and brand new posters such as this
After doing a little googling I have found suggestion that this forum is infested with stooges that are payed to bang on about "how good the bbc is"
The alarm bells start to ring.
The number of TVL incidents compared to the number of contacts is totally insignificant.
No it wouldn't.
No your comments posted here were off topic and already discussed (destroyed by multiple posters as totally wrong) in another thread.
Your repeating them here was not constructive, so Its hardly surprising you cop some flac.
For your information I want the LF moved to council tax.
Likewise, the number of "TVLR foot solders" registering her, compared to the number of DS members, will no doubt be totally insignificant.
Maybe report it to the sites holding company.
https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/Ab...muk10&ci=22420
And if you feel personaly threatened get in touch with the police. If they require more info it is easy to do a domain search.
No, they continue to disrupt this forum on a regular basis with often misinformed agenda driven propaganda.
Well, if TVL would care to check, to see if I'm watching live TV on my gas meter, then I could let them lean in through the door, to have a look.
True.
However, we don't have a system, that relies on the householder to do the impossible, ie. prove they don't legally require a TV Licence.
it was only a suggestion it just appears to me it gets discussed so much maybe there should be an area for TVL separate from other things, anything to reduce to slogging matches! and I do think that the current way of making tv free to air and then requiring a TVL makes life difficult, if it was changed to a way where if you didnt pay it gets cut off that would stop the need for the visits making everybody happy. This would also mean that the UK broadcasters could ensure that only people in the UK could get their services too.
It is rather obvious when a member is just here to do it.
They only make a few posts, and only in the thread that they started.
If you join without an agenda you browse the forum, and contribute to other threads.
What is bizarre about adults supporting a public service?
Should we all stop supporting the NHS, just because we have to pay for it regardless but may never need it?
Maybe mods should start banning members who deliberately post incorrect information, and then continue to post this misinformation even though they have been corrected.
How is it impossible? Either your TV is connected to an aerial and picks up live TV signals or it does not.
No aerial connected (or behind the TV) makes it pretty clear that you are not able to view live TV on it.
Not the full story.
How is it impossible? Either your TV is connected to an aerial and picks up live TV signals or it does not.
No aerial connected (or behind the TV) makes it pretty clear that you are not able to view live TV on it.
They would need to check, in everyroom, every laptop, every mobile phone in your home, which is alot more then a look to see if you have a aerial connected
You want the mods to be the arbiters, of what information is true and what is false
Because, like the MOT, the inspection only establishes the situation, as it stands at the moment of the inspection.
At the time of the visit, it may not be possible for me to view live TV on my TV set.
That doesn't mean I couldn't have viewed live TV, 1 minute/hour/day/week/month ago.
Nor does it mean I won't be able to viewed live TV, 1 minute/hour/day/week/month in the future.
That is why it is impossible, for me to prove I don't legally require a TV Licence.
Hence why British justice requires the prosecution to prove guilt, rather than the defence to prove innocence.
You are overcomplicating things on purpose in this discussion.
I am not overcomplicating things tvl mention all these things Technology - devices and online
With today’s technology, you can watch TV on more devices than ever, whenever it suits you best. This means a TV Licence doesn’t just cover you to watch TV at home on a TV set. You can also watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV, through all of these devices:
Computers, including laptops and tablets
Mobile phones
Games consoles
Digital boxes, e.g. Freeview, Sky, Virgin, BT Vision
DVD/VHS/Blu-ray recorders.
As long as the address where you live is licensed, you’re also covered to watch TV outside your home using any device powered solely by its own internal batteries. This includes your mobile phone, laptop and tablet.
Exception: If you only watch catch-up services online, then you don’t need a licence. For example, you don’t need one to use BBC iPlayer, or ITV player, to catch up on programmes after they have been shown on TV.
Cos if it's the latter, you can leave your TV aerial plugged in without needing a TV licence.
The later.
the "later"??!!
Yes the halfwits at the anti site often throw that crap around so it's no wonder it came up on a search.
It is the former.
I'm surprised you didn't do that first but yes, go for it.
It's the latter though you might have a hard time arguing your case in Mags Court.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/90515/response/228588/attach/4/RFI20111288%20Disclosure%20document.pdf
That rules me out then. I have frequently said the TVL should be replaced by funding from general taxation, which the BBC do not want. Far fairer to the low paid and would save millions lost to evasion and administration.
So there is no right to travel unless you agree to give up some of your rights?
If you continue to live in a society you are agreeing to follow its rules and laws. The TV licence is one of them, created by Parliament, and TVL knocking on your door and asking to come in does not violate any laws or rights.
I notice you have never asked for proof on the many times someone has claimed posters like me actually work for the BBC. That claim you seem to accept without question.
No one, not even the Police, need to be legally empowered to enter your home if you consent.