BBC THREE HD and CBBC HD placeholders now up

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  • BangersBangers Posts: 3,626
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    The point is that you originally called it MHEG switching, which you now acknowledge in your above post is incorrect.
  • jj20xjj20x Posts: 2,079
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    Bangers wrote: »
    The point is that you originally called it MHEG switching, which you now acknowledge in your above post is incorrect.

    MHEG switching, as in switching between video/audio streams and an MHEG caption. It's not incorrect, you simply misunderstood the point. As I stated in the above post: "that's not actually what I was saying...".
  • jimbojimbo Posts: 16,234
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    In the early days of BbC Choice that was on one SID for 24 hours a day. Why can't they have it called BBC3 all day with Children's pgorammes on it during the day? Why does it have to be two separate channels sharing - the same with CBeebies and BBC4?

    If I remember rightly, BBC Knowledge used to open at 1700 but had a promo during the day - it would be easier for the consumer to have the same SIDs for 24 hours a day.

    is there a particular reason why they cannot put CBeebies content on BBC4 during the day and use the same SID? Tjeu seem to be able to do it in Australia with ABC2/4 which share but have the same SID.
  • eladkseeladkse Posts: 1,948
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    Why has this all suddenly become a problem? It's worked fine this way for 10 years!
  • GreeboGreebo Posts: 1,418
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    jimbo wrote: »
    is there a particular reason why they cannot put CBeebies content on BBC4 during the day and use the same SID?

    It does reuse the same PIDs. I really don't know what the issue is with this. They've branded it as two distinct channels on two LCNs. Big deal. Maybe one day they'll be in a position to expand the hours and no longer share. For now, kids have their own channels rather than sharing with the "grown up" ones like we used to. It's a marketing decision, not a technical one- and my feeling is that to the vast majority of us it seems completely sensible.
  • jimbojimbo Posts: 16,234
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    It's not a problem - it would just be cheaper for the BBC as they would not need to pay for two EPG numbers - at least on Sky that is the case.
  • DWA9ISDWA9IS Posts: 10,557
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    eladkse wrote: »
    Why has this all suddenly become a problem? It's worked fine this way for 10 years!

    It would tidy things up to have 16/17 24h channels (21/22 with HD) on freeview lite, 54/56 (59/61 with HD) 24h channels on normal main TX sites freeview and 69/71 24h channels with the new MUXs added. (variations due to BBC Alba on BBC A and radio channels on one of the ARQ MUXs using a TV channel space)
    It would make things clearer, as when one channel closes, a new channel opening would just take its LCN and bandwidth directly.
    No retunes would be necessary for new channels, as the new channel could use the old channels PID!
    People would thank Digital UK and OFCOM if they enforced this!
  • DWA9ISDWA9IS Posts: 10,557
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    jimbo wrote: »
    It's not a problem - it would just be cheaper for the BBC as they would not need to pay for two EPG numbers - at least on Sky that is the case.

    Good point and the kids channels would be in the entertainment section on Sky! This would be interesting, as it would trump things on Sky regarding BBC kids channels being before all other kids channels, which currently isnt the case!
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    lotrjw wrote: »
    It would tidy things up to have 16/17 24h channels (21/22 with HD) on freeview lite, 54/56 (59/61 with HD) 24h channels on normal main TX sites freeview and 69/71 24h channels with the new MUXs added. (variations due to BBC Alba on BBC A and radio channels on one of the ARQ MUXs using a TV channel space)
    It would make things clearer, as when one channel closes, a new channel opening would just take its LCN and bandwidth directly.
    No retunes would be necessary for new channels, as the new channel could use the old channels PID!
    People would thank Digital UK and OFCOM if they enforced this!
    They would certainly thank them for putting some of the tarts on sofas channels on the same LCNs as other generic channels, with the added issue of being unable to PIN-block them or to keep them in an isolated part of the epg.


    To me, it still seems to be a solution looking for a real problem, especially when my bet is that most ordinary (i.e. non-technical) viewers will simply see an LCN as a distinct channel number, not knowing (or caring) what an LCN actually is. And that's where the greatest area of confusion is then likely.
  • Phil OwensPhil Owens Posts: 6,989
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    Any sign of BBC News and BBC 4 HD?
  • eladkseeladkse Posts: 1,948
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    Phil Owens wrote: »
    Any sign of BBC News and BBC 4 HD?

    I'm sure it's been mentioned a few times already on this thread (and the one in the broadcasting forum): they are to launch on a new multiplex that is being rolled out over the next year. It's currently testing at Crystal Palace, but there are no placeholders.
  • StasisLeakStasisLeak Posts: 494
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    Is anyone one else finding two identical sets of HD labels on UHF30 and UHF33 when manually scanning from Crystal Palace?
    My Akura STB (vestel clone) also does not find the AJE HD place holder on UHF33
  • Phil OwensPhil Owens Posts: 6,989
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    eladkse wrote: »
    I'm sure it's been mentioned a few times already on this thread (and the one in the broadcasting forum): they are to launch on a new multiplex that is being rolled out over the next year. It's currently testing at Crystal Palace, but there are no placeholders.

    Thanks...
  • pburke90pburke90 Posts: 14,754
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    The BBC Trust recently reported that the BBC's children's channels should be on air after 7pm.

    If anything substantial comes out of this, then there would be 4 separate streams and 4 separate channels with the scope of all of them being 24 hours, or at least having longer hours than currently.
  • DWA9ISDWA9IS Posts: 10,557
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    Paddy C wrote: »
    The BBC Trust recently reported that the BBC's children's channels should be on air after 7pm.

    If anything substantial comes out of this, then there would be 4 separate streams and 4 separate channels with the scope of all of them being 24 hours, or at least having longer hours than currently.

    Well this would mean that the BBC would have to find two new separate channel streams so that BBC 3, 4 CBBC and Cbeebies are all 24h channel streams. They would then have to find space for those channels in HD as well!
    The BBC would have to keep the current arrangement with those channels on freeview regarding the SD parts and then extend the SD hours by renting to full time COM MUX channels! (where would the space come from I wonder).
    On Dsat and Dcab and for the HD variations of BBC 3,4, CBBC and Cbeebies on all platforms there is the scope, but it would still mean renting new transponder space on Dsat and 2 more HD streams on COM 8 when it launches on freeview.
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    Paddy C wrote: »
    The BBC Trust recently reported that the BBC's children's channels should be on air after 7pm.

    If anything substantial comes out of this, then there would be 4 separate streams and 4 separate channels with the scope of all of them being 24 hours, or at least having longer hours than currently.
    However, the final paragraph from that report states:
    A BBC spokesman said: "We don't feel there is the imperative to extend the hours of CBBC beyond 7pm now as children are watching our programming in many different ways with, for example, tens of millions of downloads from the children's iplayer every month."

    Aside from which, money and spectrum would be obvious hurdles. Which could point to:
    ...... “Showing some CBBC content that would appeal to more mainstream audiences on other channels after 7pm could help extend reach and impact of high-quality programmes.”

    In other words, if the BBC Trust was to be followed, then perhaps selected CBBC (not Cbeebies) content could be shown on BBC one, BBC Two or even BBC Three, say 7pm - 8pm.

    Which was noted in the BBC's own news report:
    Broadcasting shows aimed at older children on BBC One or BBC Two could "help extend" the "impact of high-quality programmes", it said.

    <snipped>

    But it also noted that "older children might be more attracted to watching CBBC's older-skewing content if it were shown on other BBC channels".
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24207693


    So it's not calling for an extension to the broadcast hours for CBBC/Cbeebies.
  • Dansky+HDDansky+HD Posts: 9,806
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    So any news on launch of BBC Three HD & CBBC HD

    also the upcoming BBC Four HD & CBeebies HD.

    November ???? This side of Christmas ????

    Also EPG numbers across platforms?
    Freeview, Sky, Virgin, Freesat. BTTV, YouView....
  • Mickey_TMickey_T Posts: 4,962
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    Nope.
  • DWA9ISDWA9IS Posts: 10,557
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    Im sure its been said that BBC THREE HD/CBBC HD will launch early Dec but still nothing on the others lets hope the BBC launch them all early Dec.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,775
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    They have to wait until after the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary because they need BBC RB 303 HD to show it in 3D.

    After that the stream can become BBC3 HD and CBBC HD. How soon they'll do that is unknown.
  • DWA9ISDWA9IS Posts: 10,557
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    OwenSmith wrote: »
    They have to wait until after the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary because they need BBC RB 303 HD to show it in 3D.

    After that the stream can become BBC3 HD and CBBC HD. How soon they'll do that is unknown.

    Im sure that Ive seen a date of 10th Dec somewhere. a516's site is saying that it will be mid Dec which fits
  • a516a516 Posts: 5,241
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    lotrjw wrote: »
    Im sure that Ive seen a date of 10th Dec somewhere. a516's site is saying that it will be mid Dec which fits
    The 10th December date has been "out there" for quite a few weeks now. "by mid-December" is the result of the soundings I've conducted (and it would be inappropriate of people to leak precise dates prior to an official announcement) - but is hardly a surprise and the expected timing has been worked out by people here on the forum for a while.

    As Owen stated earlier, the moment BBC RB HD's coverage of Dr Who 3D is finished, there's nothing to stop at least test transmissions commencing before an official launch, which no doubt will be linked to the launch of COM7, which is also due by the same time (after mid-December, the platform is on Xmas/New Year lockdown).

    You all need to be on Alix Pryde Watch in the meantime, with full details of the HD roll-out expected in the public domain by mid-November via the Digital UK/Freeview coverage checker.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,775
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    a516 wrote: »
    You all need to be on Alix Pryde Watch in the meantime, with full details of the HD roll-out expected in the public domain by mid-November via the Digital UK/Freeview coverage checker.

    Who or what is Alix Pryde Watch? Never heard of it.
  • a516a516 Posts: 5,241
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    OwenSmith wrote: »
    Who or what is Alix Pryde Watch? Never heard of it.

    Alix Pryde is the Director of BBC Distribution, who blogs the latest developments affecting the distribution of BBC services, e.g.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/posts/Making-Waves-extending-the-BBCs-digital-radio-coverage-to-a-further-two-million-people
  • DWA9ISDWA9IS Posts: 10,557
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    a516 wrote: »
    The 10th December date has been "out there" for quite a few weeks now. "by mid-December" is the result of the soundings I've conducted (and it would be inappropriate of people to leak precise dates prior to an official announcement) - but is hardly a surprise and the expected timing has been worked out by people here on the forum for a while.

    As Owen stated earlier, the moment BBC RB HD's coverage of Dr Who 3D is finished, there's nothing to stop at least test transmissions commencing before an official launch, which no doubt will be linked to the launch of COM7, which is also due by the same time (after mid-December, the platform is on Xmas/New Year lockdown).

    You all need to be on Alix Pryde Watch in the meantime, with full details of the HD roll-out expected in the public domain by mid-November via the Digital UK/Freeview coverage checker.
    a516 wrote: »
    Alix Pryde is the Director of BBC Distribution, who blogs the latest developments affecting the distribution of BBC services, e.g.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/posts/Making-Waves-extending-the-BBCs-digital-radio-coverage-to-a-further-two-million-people

    Thanks a516 thats great.
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