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Triple blow for UK economy

starsailorstarsailor Posts: 11,347
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/18/economic-recovery-blow-public-spending

Green shoots? I don;t think so.

£190bn borrowing in the year. Now tell me how we can afford to keep increasing spending like reckless labour 'say' they would do.

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    nothing on tvnothing on tv Posts: 5,044
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    is it too late to give the olympics back to paris? the only gb record set will be how far overbudget it goes

    let's p*ss more billions down the drain
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,652
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    It is not good news about the PSBR. We may well need an emergency budget to calm the fears of the debt market. No wonder the the head of the Bank of England warned about the government debt levels.
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    CaxtonCaxton Posts: 28,881
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    Looks good for Britain deesn't it? Never mind Mr Brown has it all under control, he will just keep spending money he has not got to spend and creating the badly-needed non-productive jobs in the public sector who are rushed off their feet shuffling papers and working out percentages.

    Large amonts of cash he will also spend propping up the public sector pension pots while the private sector pension pots suffer.

    That is 100% certain to create the wealth that we so desperately need to kick-start the economy. Gordon is the man, yeah;)
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    Turnbull2000Turnbull2000 Posts: 7,588
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    No wonder the Comprehensive Spending Review was been postponed. Public finances are turning into an utter sham and Labour simply choose to hide rather than confront.
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    Bob22ABob22A Posts: 6,830
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    starsailor wrote: »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/18/economic-recovery-blow-public-spending

    Green shoots? I don;t think so.

    £190bn borrowing in the year. Now tell me how we can afford to keep increasing spending like reckless labour 'say' they would do.

    Watch out for a Brown give away budget this Autumn or next Spring to be followed shortly after by a snap election

    VAT cut to 12.5%. Basic Rate Income Tax to 15p. Pensions increased by 19% , Benefits up 5% to 10%

    Fuel Duty Reduced by 10%
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 18,071
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    Bob22A wrote: »
    Watch out for a Brown give away budget this Autumn or next Spring to be followed shortly after by a snap election

    VAT cut to 12.5%. Basic Rate Income Tax to 15p. Pensions increased by 19% , Benefits up 5% to 10%

    Fuel Duty Reduced by 10%

    Numberplate, CCTV, Mobile phone tracking abolished, DNA databases only for criminals, no ID cards, no border exit surveillance and no stupid questionnaire, no credit card number collection, no empowerment laws etc etc..

    So basically no Stasi state.. Zank yu very much... Genosse Braun... :)
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    MartinPMartinP Posts: 31,358
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    Don't worry folks, the way to solve this problem is to continue public spending year on year. Brown said this just yesterday.

    More spending and borrowing is the answer!
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    nottinghamcnottinghamc Posts: 11,929
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    No wonder the Comprehensive Spending Review was been postponed. Public finances are turning into an utter sham and Labour simply choose to hide rather than confront.

    Essentially hes just closed his eyes and covered his ears to the problem, pathetic really.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,652
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    MartinP wrote: »
    Don't worry folks, the way to solve this problem is to continue public spending year on year. Brown said this just yesterday.

    More spending and borrowing is the answer!

    If the borrowing is higher than the predictions for this year & next year, the real cuts in departmental budgets will have to be even greater because there will be a larger debt to service, unless there are tax rises planned in the next budget:eek:
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    CaxtonCaxton Posts: 28,881
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    Essentially hes just closed his eyes and covered his ears to the problem, pathetic really.

    He hopes if he does that the problem will disappear. "Tory cuts, Labour investment" that is the only answer he has and he is just under the mistaken impression that the great British public are as stupid and he is and believes what he tells them.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,652
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    No wonder the Comprehensive Spending Review was been postponed. Public finances are turning into an utter sham and Labour simply choose to hide rather than confront.

    As proved with the spending increases in the second Labour term, it takes time for the public sector to spend the increase. The same goes for reductions in spending too, is it important for the review to happen this year so departments know what the cuts are so plans can be made to reduce spending in an organised way which can minimise the effect on front line services.
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    nottinghamcnottinghamc Posts: 11,929
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    ccm wrote: »
    As proved with the spending increases in the second Labour term, it takes time for the public sector to spend the increase. The same goes for reductions in spending too, is it important for the review to happen this year so departments know what the cuts are so plans can be made to reduce spending in an organised way which can minimise the effect on front line services.

    Its terrible cowardice from the government, to make their sledgehammer of an attack work they want as little information made available to the opposition as possible. I'm guessing this is mainly because of the analysis made of the Budget which had the government tying itself in knotts at the time and since.
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    nothing on tvnothing on tv Posts: 5,044
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    ccm wrote: »
    As proved with the spending increases in the second Labour term, it takes time for the public sector to spend the increase. The same goes for reductions in spending too, is it important for the review to happen this year so departments know what the cuts are so plans can be made to reduce spending in an organised way which can minimise the effect on front line services.

    excellent post.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,997
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    Oh dear Darling's forecast of borrowing £175bn is looking over optimistic so unless he does something about "investing" it could hit £200bn for 2009-10.
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    nottinghamcnottinghamc Posts: 11,929
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Oh dear Darling's forecast of borrowing £175bn is looking over optimistic so unless he does something about "investing" it could hit £200bn for 2009-10.

    Investments cut to the bone already, if it goes any further then they will have to stop current projects which will make the government look bad. All those half finished schools, empty hospitals etc, will be a field day for the press.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 879
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8106607.stm

    A very scary chart of public borriwng over the years :(
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,997
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    casper_uk wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8106607.stm

    A very scary chart of public borriwng over the years :(

    Isn't it just. This year Darling has borrowed £69bn up to the end of May, if that continues it will reach 14% of GDP not the 12% forecast in that chart. :eek:

    Last month government spending was £50bn while tax receipts were just £30bn hence the £20bn borrowing, surely Darling is going to have to do something about it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 879
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Isn't it just. This year Darling has borrowed £69bn up to the end of May, if that continues it will reach 14% of GDP not the 12% forecast in that chart. :eek:

    Last month government spending was £50bn while tax receipts were just £30bn hence the £20bn borrowing, surely Darling is going to have to do something about it.

    At this point it doesn't matter which party gets in, we will be in for massive tax rises and public cuts. There is no other way around the matter now because of the mess we have been left in. It's going to turn sour very very quick imo before long :(
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    Turnbull2000Turnbull2000 Posts: 7,588
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    casper_uk wrote: »
    At this point it doesn't matter which party gets in, we will be in for massive tax rises and public cuts. There is no other way around the matter now because of the mess we have been left in. It's going to turn sour very very quick imo before long :(

    Labour must know that on their current trajectory they haven't a prayer of winning the 2010 GE. If they destroy UK Plc, as they have every time in power, then they could create an artificial pre-election upturn to hold on or alternatively hand over a bankrupt nation and some horrific decision making to the Tories. Both devasting scenarios are acceptable to Labour it seems.

    The generations that have already suffered at the hands of Labour's house price bubble, pensions bust and education fees, are facing an even greater blow to their standard of living thanks to the incompetence and lies of this administration :mad:
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    CaxtonCaxton Posts: 28,881
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    Labour must know that on their current trajectory they haven't a prayer of winning the 2010 GE. If they destroy UK Plc, as they have every time in power, then they could create an artificial pre-election upturn to hold on or alternatively hand over a bankrupt nation and some horrific decision making to the Tories. Both devasting scenarios are acceptable to Labour it seems.

    Summed up nicely. Someone else will have to sort out the Labour mess. Brown can promise anything he likes he will not be in the position to honour it or implement it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 879
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    Labour must know that on their current trajectory they haven't a prayer of winning the 2010 GE. If they destroy UK Plc, as they have every time in power, then they could create an artificial pre-election upturn to hold on or alternatively hand over a bankrupt nation and some horrific decision making to the Tories. Both devasting scenarios are acceptable to Labour it seems.

    The generations that have already suffered at the hands of Labour's house price bubble, pensions bust and education fees, are facing an even greater blow to their standard of living thanks to the incompetence and lies of this administration :mad:

    What gets me is like before, because people tend to be fickle with politics, they will only remember the taxes and cuts the Tories make to clean up Labours mess! As such it won't be long before people vote Labour back in and the whole cycle starts again :(
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    trevgotrevgo Posts: 28,241
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    You cyncial bunch.

    Why don't you listen?

    It's investment, not spending.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 879
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    trevgo wrote: »
    You cyncial bunch.

    Why don't you listen?

    It's investment, not spending.

    It's the same bloody thing! It still has to be paid back and as proved by the carbon capture plant investment, cost up to £6 billion, net benefit £4 billion! The government haven't got a great track record when it comes to "investment" and targets, frankly they are shocking at it!
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    Bob22ABob22A Posts: 6,830
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    ccm wrote: »
    If the borrowing is higher than the predictions for this year & next year, the real cuts in departmental budgets will have to be even greater because there will be a larger debt to service, unless there are tax rises planned in the next budget:eek:


    It's even worse not only is there the large accumulated debt to service. He is also spending far more then he is raising in taxes so rather then the debt being servised its increasing.
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    ebbleebble Posts: 723
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    What's new about New Labour? Certainly not the wasteful spending or the huge increase in pointless public sector jobs. They've done all that before.


    The New must refer to their nasty authoritarian laws like ID cards, detention without trial for weeks on end and trial without a jury,
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