Global would only be allowed to broadcast the national version of Capital on FM in the North East, Yorkshire and London.
The local licences for Capital could be turned into Radio X. Radio X can be broadcast on local licences as it is a specialist station.
Capital Xtra could replace Capital in Manchester. Capital Xtra could be broadcast on a local licence as it is a specialist station.
Smooth Radio could replace Capital in North Wales on FM, Smooth Radio on AM would be closed.
Communicorp could bring the XS brand to Scotland.
Communicorp could bring Smooth Radio to South Wales on FM. Smooth Radio on AM would be closed.
Global could launch Heart in the East Midlands replacing Capital.
Gold if not going national replace Capital on local DAB.
Interesting points.. But Smooth replacing Capital South Wales wouldn't be allowed. It's too much of a format change. XS wouldnt be right as they are up against nation.
XFM didn't do well in Scotland, so something like XS would Flop.
Radio X would be fantastic on the locals, however I would find it odd to see Capital Xtra without the main station on FM within the same TSA.
I can see Global stopping their agreement with communicorp for Capital, to prevent listener confusion and advertising issues. Smooth National was dropped because of the locals being half owned by communicorp. So the opposite effect is something I cannot rule out with regards to Capital.
Am I the only one thinking that Communicorp are possibly planning on dropping the Capital branding and move towards one of their own brands, such as Spin which they have in Ireland (and a few other places I think?)
Having a station like "Spin 106" in Central Scotland wouldn't be much of a format change from Capital and would probably be a welcome move towards more local programming.
A move like this would then make sense with Global pushing for Capital as a 100% national brand. Depending of course if they would be allowed to network all the local stations in England and if they hand back the license for North Wales.
This adds it to a few areas that couldn't receive it before, such as Inverness, Devon & Cornwall, Norfolk & other parts of Wales & Scotland & NI. In many areas it's almost duplication like Heart Extra where the only variations are different presenters during local breakfast & drive.
The station feels quite welcome. Room left for Gold as well perhaps?
It's on local dab in stereo in Devon & Cornwall how is moving it to mono an improvement?
Bit cheeky of global to this. So some areas eg Liverpool can now get more than 1 Capital if not more on dab, Liverpool, North Wales, Manchester (if on the fringes) and the UK version.
Come to North Nottinghamshire. In the right place, you can get Capital UK, Two Capital Yorkshire's (both West/South Yorkshire and East Yorkshire versions) and two Capital East Midlands' (both on different service ID's).
Am I the only one thinking that Communicorp are possibly planning on dropping the Capital branding and move towards one of their own brands, such as Spin which they have in Ireland (and a few other places I think?)
Having a station like "Spin 106" in Central Scotland wouldn't be much of a format change from Capital and would probably be a welcome move towards more local programming.
A move like this would then make sense with Global pushing for Capital as a 100% national brand. Depending of course if they would be allowed to network all the local stations in England and if they hand back the license for North Wales.
Radio X would use the local stations to boost listeners. Is Spin like Galaxy? Would they need to network with Ireland or could they just take the name and have everything local?
Radio X would use the local stations to boost listeners. Is Spin like Galaxy? Would they need to network with Ireland or could they just take the name and have everything local?
Its very similar to Capital, but with a slightly less repetitive playlist and more speech content. They have two Spin stations in Ireland which aren't networked and only really share name and playlist with everything coming from their local area (ie: Dublin and South West Ireland). So I wouldn't be surprised if Communicorp tried something similar in Scotland or South Wales
Its very similar to Capital, but with a slightly less repetitive playlist and more speech content. They have two Spin stations in Ireland which aren't networked and only really share name and playlist with everything coming from their local area (ie: Dublin and South West Ireland). So I wouldn't be surprised if Communicorp tried something similar in Scotland or South Wales
Would it be up to the local station itself to decide what goes on air? Talk show wouldn't work in Scotland, but certainly they could copy something similar to Juice Liverpool in terms of programming style.
Not sure what's prompted the speculation about Global taking Capital off FM. That's where the bulk of the listeners (and therefore the revenue) is, so being on D1 isn't going to change anything in that respect.
Am I the only one thinking that Communicorp are possibly planning on dropping the Capital branding and move towards one of their own brands, such as Spin which they have in Ireland (and a few other places I think?)
Nope... I mentioned it this morning at 9:05 Spin would be decent I think. I think we're probably getting massively ahead of ourselves, but as an option, I like it.
Not sure what's prompted the speculation about Global taking Capital off FM. That's where the bulk of the listeners (and therefore the revenue) is, so being on D1 isn't going to change anything in that respect.
Taking Capital off the franchised outputs was the main discussion. local ones could be tweaked in line with JUICE's format to drop the local shows altogether. Communicorp cannot drop local shows, but any Capital stations under global can.
Looking at all the informative comments on this thread I am amazed with all the regulation that radio is subjected to by the Government via Ofcom.
But I suppose some things never change,didn't the Government close the pop pirates like Caroline and London in 1967 because they did not have any control over them.
Really nothing has changed in 50 years,the Government needs to control the media in this country,reminds me of Soviet Russia but even they have gone now.
Taking Capital off the franchised outputs was the main discussion. local ones could be tweaked in line with JUICE's format to drop the local shows altogether. Communicorp cannot drop local shows, but any Capital stations under global can.
Your absoultly right, like you said earlier Capital Liverpool is still in it's juice fm format.
Looking at all the informative comments on this thread I am amazed with all the regulation that radio is subjected to by the Government via Ofcom.
But I suppose some things never change,didn't the Government close the pop pirates like Caroline and London in 1967 because they did not have any control over them.
Really nothing has changed in 50 years,the Government needs to control the media in this country,reminds me of Soviet Russia but even they have gone now.
Judging by the attacks on the government made regularly in the press if it is trying to control the media it's making a rotten job of it and to compare the situation here with that in Soviet Russia is ridiculous.
Come to North Nottinghamshire. In the right place, you can get Capital UK, Two Capital Yorkshire's (both West/South Yorkshire and East Yorkshire versions) and two Capital East Midlands' (both on different service ID's).
Yep, so slightly worse than the situation in Wirral (which is confusing). But the reason Wirral is unique is that as I mentioned before the TSA for Capital Liverpool includes Wirral and the TSA for Capital NW and N Wales includes a Wirral. So you actually have two different versions of Capital (not overspill) with different local presenters both officially aimed at Wirral. Still don't get why Global haven't sorted the mess out.
If a licence change to get rid of local content on a local licence (i.e.Juice) is granted, Ofcom may as well give up any control of licencing and get rid of local radio altogether, they have completely ballsed up ILA anyway.
Yep, so slightly worse than the situation in Wirral (which is confusing). But the reason Wirral is unique is that as I mentioned before the TSA for Capital Liverpool includes Wirral and the TSA for Capital NW and N Wales includes a Wirral. So you actually have two different versions of Capital (not overspill) with different local presenters both officially aimed at Wirral. Still don't get why Global haven't sorted the mess out.
Did I mention the duplicates also have the same name on screen? So if you pick the wrong version, you'll end up with a bubbling mess at best, silence at worst. Or worse still, audio to begin with, only to figure out quickly when the bubbling mud kicks in, you've picked the wrong one. Being in an overlap area, choosing the correct version can end up being a chore which could require either the multiplex name or signal meter which the average person isn't going to be bothered with.
Even if the station names were corrected, there'd still be an issue in North Nottinghamshire. Multiplexes do not necessarily cover their counties and Nottinghamshire is a prime example. If people in Bassetlaw pick "Capital Notts" as a speculative example on the Nottinghamshire multiplex instead of "Capital W/SYorks" on the Sheffield multiplex, you'll likely get a bubbling mess or nothing.
Overlap and different content probably doesn't make much difference, Capital listeners are deaf anyway so are unlikely to notice who is doing the announcements....
Could someone explain how that affects things in reality though? I don't understand
It makes no difference in reality, all but one of the Capital stations have the same kind of pop/chart/dance format, just worded differently. Capital Cymru is the only one which has an odd format.
As for speculation that Communicorp might pull the plug on their Capital stations, it will be very difficult for them to split from Global. Pretty much everything Communicorp needs, from studios to office furniture, is rented from Global. Pulling out of the franchise arrangement would involve setting up a new station from scratch. It would be a lot more complicated than Orion replacing Heart with Gem.
Judging by the attacks on the government made regularly in the press if it is trying to control the media it's making a rotten job of it and to compare the situation here with that in Soviet Russia is ridiculous.
We have different views,Soviet Russia had 3 agencies.Goskomizdat censored all printed matter,Goskino was responsible for the cinema and Gosteleradio who controlled radio and television.I wonder if we in the UK today have any similar agencies?
Also they had the agency beginning with K who were responsible for what we would call today false flags and offering political and business sacrificial lambs by promoting misinformation to manipulate public opinion.Again I wonder if today we have any such organisation?
I've just seen this Capital UK station which people were predicting here. Next there will be a Heart UK and a Smooth UK. Could have been Gold or even Chill. If only Listen2Digital would have won they were going to have RTE Radio 1 on and even Gaydio in DAB+.
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Probably nothing. Some radio groups seem to think that human beings only have one ear!
The local licences for Capital could be turned into Radio X. Radio X can be broadcast on local licences as it is a specialist station.
Capital Xtra could replace Capital in Manchester. Capital Xtra could be broadcast on a local licence as it is a specialist station.
Smooth Radio could replace Capital in North Wales on FM, Smooth Radio on AM would be closed.
Communicorp could bring the XS brand to Scotland.
Communicorp could bring Smooth Radio to South Wales on FM. Smooth Radio on AM would be closed.
Global could launch Heart in the East Midlands replacing Capital.
Gold if not going national replace Capital on local DAB.
Interesting points.. But Smooth replacing Capital South Wales wouldn't be allowed. It's too much of a format change. XS wouldnt be right as they are up against nation.
XFM didn't do well in Scotland, so something like XS would Flop.
Radio X would be fantastic on the locals, however I would find it odd to see Capital Xtra without the main station on FM within the same TSA.
I can see Global stopping their agreement with communicorp for Capital, to prevent listener confusion and advertising issues. Smooth National was dropped because of the locals being half owned by communicorp. So the opposite effect is something I cannot rule out with regards to Capital.
Would be an interesting change, particularly if it is Global that are after Lincs FM.
If they could merge that with the Notts/Derby and Leicester licences, that's bigger coverage for Heart East Midlands than it had when it was on 106
Having a station like "Spin 106" in Central Scotland wouldn't be much of a format change from Capital and would probably be a welcome move towards more local programming.
A move like this would then make sense with Global pushing for Capital as a 100% national brand. Depending of course if they would be allowed to network all the local stations in England and if they hand back the license for North Wales.
It's on local dab in stereo in Devon & Cornwall how is moving it to mono an improvement?
Radio X would use the local stations to boost listeners. Is Spin like Galaxy? Would they need to network with Ireland or could they just take the name and have everything local?
Its very similar to Capital, but with a slightly less repetitive playlist and more speech content. They have two Spin stations in Ireland which aren't networked and only really share name and playlist with everything coming from their local area (ie: Dublin and South West Ireland). So I wouldn't be surprised if Communicorp tried something similar in Scotland or South Wales
Would it be up to the local station itself to decide what goes on air? Talk show wouldn't work in Scotland, but certainly they could copy something similar to Juice Liverpool in terms of programming style.
Nope... I mentioned it this morning at 9:05
Taking Capital off the franchised outputs was the main discussion. local ones could be tweaked in line with JUICE's format to drop the local shows altogether. Communicorp cannot drop local shows, but any Capital stations under global can.
But I suppose some things never change,didn't the Government close the pop pirates like Caroline and London in 1967 because they did not have any control over them.
Really nothing has changed in 50 years,the Government needs to control the media in this country,reminds me of Soviet Russia but even they have gone now.
Your absoultly right, like you said earlier Capital Liverpool is still in it's juice fm format.
That's a good idea.
Judging by the attacks on the government made regularly in the press if it is trying to control the media it's making a rotten job of it and to compare the situation here with that in Soviet Russia is ridiculous.
Yep, so slightly worse than the situation in Wirral (which is confusing). But the reason Wirral is unique is that as I mentioned before the TSA for Capital Liverpool includes Wirral and the TSA for Capital NW and N Wales includes a Wirral. So you actually have two different versions of Capital (not overspill) with different local presenters both officially aimed at Wirral. Still don't get why Global haven't sorted the mess out.
Could someone explain how that affects things in reality though? I don't understand
Even if the station names were corrected, there'd still be an issue in North Nottinghamshire. Multiplexes do not necessarily cover their counties and Nottinghamshire is a prime example. If people in Bassetlaw pick "Capital Notts" as a speculative example on the Nottinghamshire multiplex instead of "Capital W/SYorks" on the Sheffield multiplex, you'll likely get a bubbling mess or nothing.
It makes no difference in reality, all but one of the Capital stations have the same kind of pop/chart/dance format, just worded differently. Capital Cymru is the only one which has an odd format.
As for speculation that Communicorp might pull the plug on their Capital stations, it will be very difficult for them to split from Global. Pretty much everything Communicorp needs, from studios to office furniture, is rented from Global. Pulling out of the franchise arrangement would involve setting up a new station from scratch. It would be a lot more complicated than Orion replacing Heart with Gem.
We have different views,Soviet Russia had 3 agencies.Goskomizdat censored all printed matter,Goskino was responsible for the cinema and Gosteleradio who controlled radio and television.I wonder if we in the UK today have any similar agencies?
Also they had the agency beginning with K who were responsible for what we would call today false flags and offering political and business sacrificial lambs by promoting misinformation to manipulate public opinion.Again I wonder if today we have any such organisation?
It's good to have different views Lengon.