Since the OP is the poster who made a thread saying Scotland had already won the referendum well before the vote happened, there are perhaps other conspiracies to be unravelled.
Since the OP is the poster who made a thread saying Scotland had already won the referendum well before the vote happened, there are perhaps other conspiracies to be unravelled.
Not one of you can address the woman moving the piles of yes's into the no's on camera.
thought as much.
If you choose to not believe the perfectly nomral and reasonable explanations given here and by officals why are you not on the phone to Alex Salmond to demand a recount ?
At the risk of stating the obvious. If you believe the vote was rigged and you have proof of it. Why bother with a petition? Why not go to the electoral commission or the police and present the evidence and actually do something about it?
The Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.
..He added: "It is normally the sort of turnout you would expect in North Korea. Usually media here would go 'we don't believe it. How can it be nearly 90%?'"
Which is referring to the turnout figures from C|rimea's referendum.
But of course the conspiracy theorists know that the YES campaign is in on the fix too
Yes, inevitable, and so very, very dull. As is this 45 crap going on now. The cybernats are already creating a myth of defeat about this referendum, one they will preach about for years to come. About how they bravely fought for independence and lost, but just need one more chance to win it! Then they might get it, have all the posters, everyone on twitter going 'vote Yes', then lose yet again and create a whiney self indulgent myth about that one too.
At the risk of stating the obvious. If you believe the vote was rigged and you have proof of it. Why bother with a petition? Why not go to the electoral commission or the police and present the evidence and actually do something about it?
So you feel there's been an injustice but you won't do anything about it other than whine. You can predict the future because you know the government wouldn't let it go further and yet you can't predict the future because days before the vote you claimed Scotland had already won. If you won't do anything what is the point of the thread?
Can you please stop with this pointless, pitiful whining.
The video proves nothing as several posters have written.
The petition calls for "Investigate the vote counting procedures. Allow an independent re-count of all votes."
Who do you think are independent if not the electoral commission? You don't need a petition, they have already overseen the election, and are independent.
Accept the result and move on. Maybe in 20 years you'll get another referendum, and maybe next time the Yes campaign will be better prepared and actually know what an independent Scotland looks like rather than just trying to round up all the anti-Tory voters.
I think this has to be about the best (and most outlandish) conspiracy I have heard so far.
I think on all sids of the debate public officials and the public at large through out the UK have been very humbled by the Referendum. I have not spoken to or seen onn campaigner from both sides of the debate accuse silly allegations as mentioned by the OP. Both sides of the debate recognised that the vote was against independence but also against the status quo.
To some degree the Yes campaign should be able to walk away with their heads held high, yes they dreamed of an independent Scotland, however they have also opened pandoras box when it comes to devolution for the rest of the union. They have managed to move the conversation from what powers they should have to what they shouldn't, which is remarkable in itself. Personally if I was allowed to vote I would have went for no, however that matters not.
All sides of the political sphere have recognised that this referendum has done two things:
1. Re-engaged the public with the political process (in Scotland)
2. Forever changed the future direction of any constitutional debate
Political commentators and leaders have seen levels of enthusiasm not witnessed for several generations. I genuinely hope this is the beginning of something bigger. No party can ignore how this vote has turned out, a majority did vote for the union but also a massive amount of people voted independence and they will have to resolve that situation not just in Scotland but everywhere else in the union.
Since the OP is the poster who made a thread saying Scotland had already won the referendum well before the vote happened, there are perhaps other conspiracies to be unravelled.
Questions about care in the community (or the apparent lack of) morelike.
So you feel there's been an injustice but you won't do anything about it other than whine. You can predict the future because you know the government wouldn't let it go further and yet you can't predict the future because days before the vote you claimed Scotland had already won. If you won't do anything what is the point of the thread?
This.
You clearly believe what you are posting OP.
If you are right then we are talking about electoral fraud on an unprecedented scale and only you, (and a few 1000 other Internet randoms) have the smoking gun that can bring down the government.
How can any good person, with the courage of their own convictions, choose, in good conscience, NOT to take this to the authorities?
Just seen a great video, you see a bloke sat down in a high vis jacket writing on same paper, the video quality is poor but the commentator just KNOWS he's filling out ballot papers. He couldn't be writing down the number of votes or filling in a form to show they've counted so many boxes or something, old eagle eyes can see he's forging votes. This crap about vote rigging will be pushed and makes those Yes supporters countenancing it look like buffoons who cannot accept the result.
Just seen a great video, you see a bloke sat down in a high vis jacket writing on same paper, the video quality is poor but the commentator just KNOWS he's filling out ballot papers. He couldn't be writing down the number of votes or filling in a form to show they've counted so many boxes or something, old eagle eyes can see he's forging votes. This crap about vote rigging will be pushed and makes those Yes supporters countenancing it look like buffoons who cannot accept the result.
It really is rather pathetic how unable some are to accept the result, it's bordering on a sort of deranged paranoia. The BBC was biased against them, the Westminster elite 'hoodwinked' naive Scots, the Electoral Commission has been infiltrated by Union shills tampering and forging votes, a campaign of 'Scaremongering!!' frightened people into not accepting the one true message.
What concerns me more is what it would have been like if people with this mindset had actually won.
It really is rather pathetic how unable some are to accept the result, it's bordering on a sort of deranged paranoia. The BBC was biased against them, the Westminster elite 'hoodwinked' naive Scots, the Electoral Commission has been infiltrated by Union shills tampering and forging votes, a campaign of 'Scaremongering!!' frightened people into not accepting the one true message.
What concerns me more is what it would have been like if people with this mindset had actually won.
Ruth Davidson made a good point yesterday. She said that after the 1983 general election defeat Labour went through a crisis as it tried to decide whether it had lost because it wasn't socialist enough or because it was too socialist? The SNP will have a similar problem, did they lose because they weren't nationalist enough? The group of extreme people claiming this rubbish about voter fraud based on a couple of (explained) pictures and short videos that show nothing is a symptom of part of the Yes campaign. Not ALL of it, but an extreme fringe that will not accept the result. The problem for the SNP will now be entryism, whether these fringe elements start joining them to influence policy, especially now their main leader (and ONLY well known politician) has resigned. Any new leader will not have the same authority over the party as Salmond did, and will be more easily pushed in certain directions. Directions that could result in them becoming more nationalistic and unelectable. This is unlikely, but with the amount of tweets I've seen of Yes campaigners claiming the vote was rigged based on slim evidence and their own inability to accept defeat, this whole stupid 'conspiracy' crap will be shilled for a while by the same people.
Then they just end up voting UKIP and just become stupid.
Or senile. Though in truth, and joking apart, UKIP's story is a little more complicated than that. It's a bit-bucket for people's disappointments with the political establishment, unburdened by any values, principles or policies of its own which allows people to project whatever hopes they like onto it. If the current political establishment weren't such an awful shower, UKIP wouldn't exist. Not that it really excuses anyone for being daft enough to vote for them, though.
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Yup - it was predicted by many before the count that this would be the extreme YES fall back position
https://twitter.com/YesDundee
But of course the conspiracy theorists know that the YES campaign is in on the fix too
Yeah but they have never been the same since Hollywood Hogan left :P
Wait a minute OP. That's very suss. Releasing the result a week too early?
Did you or your controller make a major balls up?
Who is the real conspirator here?
And I'm not putting it in the post >:(
Whichever way the vote had gone, Scotland would win (at least the majority of them that voted would have won).
If you choose to not believe the perfectly nomral and reasonable explanations given here and by officals why are you not on the phone to Alex Salmond to demand a recount ?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum
Which is referring to the turnout figures from C|rimea's referendum.
Surely you should be able to raise 1.6 million?
Someone called OP ordered it.
Then they just end up voting UKIP and just become stupid.
Yes, inevitable, and so very, very dull. As is this 45 crap going on now. The cybernats are already creating a myth of defeat about this referendum, one they will preach about for years to come. About how they bravely fought for independence and lost, but just need one more chance to win it! Then they might get it, have all the posters, everyone on twitter going 'vote Yes', then lose yet again and create a whiney self indulgent myth about that one too.
because the government wouldn't let it go further
So you feel there's been an injustice but you won't do anything about it other than whine. You can predict the future because you know the government wouldn't let it go further and yet you can't predict the future because days before the vote you claimed Scotland had already won. If you won't do anything what is the point of the thread?
Can you please stop with this pointless, pitiful whining.
The video proves nothing as several posters have written.
The petition calls for "Investigate the vote counting procedures. Allow an independent re-count of all votes."
Who do you think are independent if not the electoral commission? You don't need a petition, they have already overseen the election, and are independent.
Accept the result and move on. Maybe in 20 years you'll get another referendum, and maybe next time the Yes campaign will be better prepared and actually know what an independent Scotland looks like rather than just trying to round up all the anti-Tory voters.
I think on all sids of the debate public officials and the public at large through out the UK have been very humbled by the Referendum. I have not spoken to or seen onn campaigner from both sides of the debate accuse silly allegations as mentioned by the OP. Both sides of the debate recognised that the vote was against independence but also against the status quo.
To some degree the Yes campaign should be able to walk away with their heads held high, yes they dreamed of an independent Scotland, however they have also opened pandoras box when it comes to devolution for the rest of the union. They have managed to move the conversation from what powers they should have to what they shouldn't, which is remarkable in itself. Personally if I was allowed to vote I would have went for no, however that matters not.
All sides of the political sphere have recognised that this referendum has done two things:
2. Forever changed the future direction of any constitutional debate
In Zimbabwe perhaps.
Questions about care in the community (or the apparent lack of) morelike.
Just can't get them out of your brain, can you?
This.
You clearly believe what you are posting OP.
If you are right then we are talking about electoral fraud on an unprecedented scale and only you, (and a few 1000 other Internet randoms) have the smoking gun that can bring down the government.
How can any good person, with the courage of their own convictions, choose, in good conscience, NOT to take this to the authorities?
It really is rather pathetic how unable some are to accept the result, it's bordering on a sort of deranged paranoia. The BBC was biased against them, the Westminster elite 'hoodwinked' naive Scots, the Electoral Commission has been infiltrated by Union shills tampering and forging votes, a campaign of 'Scaremongering!!' frightened people into not accepting the one true message.
What concerns me more is what it would have been like if people with this mindset had actually won.
Ruth Davidson made a good point yesterday. She said that after the 1983 general election defeat Labour went through a crisis as it tried to decide whether it had lost because it wasn't socialist enough or because it was too socialist? The SNP will have a similar problem, did they lose because they weren't nationalist enough? The group of extreme people claiming this rubbish about voter fraud based on a couple of (explained) pictures and short videos that show nothing is a symptom of part of the Yes campaign. Not ALL of it, but an extreme fringe that will not accept the result. The problem for the SNP will now be entryism, whether these fringe elements start joining them to influence policy, especially now their main leader (and ONLY well known politician) has resigned. Any new leader will not have the same authority over the party as Salmond did, and will be more easily pushed in certain directions. Directions that could result in them becoming more nationalistic and unelectable. This is unlikely, but with the amount of tweets I've seen of Yes campaigners claiming the vote was rigged based on slim evidence and their own inability to accept defeat, this whole stupid 'conspiracy' crap will be shilled for a while by the same people.
Or senile.